SEELANGS Digest - 5 Aug 2013 (#2013-323)

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Всем огромное спасибо!

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Lawrence University
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Topics of the day:

  1. Summary List of Russian Films with American Content (3)
  2. Russian cultural expropriation, was Re: [SEELANGS] Summary List of Russian
     Films with American Content (2)

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Date:    Tue, 6 Aug 2013 00:01:05 +0100
From:    William Ryan <wfr at SAS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Summary List of Russian Films with American Content

Sorry to be late, but don't leave out Felix the Cat - in the silent 
cartoon "Felix All Puzzled" (1924/5), viewable on UTube, Felix  visits 
revolutionaries in Russia in search of the answer to a crossword clue 
"found in Russia". The answer is "trouble". I think there may be another 
Felix film on Soviet Russia, but I have lost track of it.

Will Ryan

On 05/08/2013 21:41, Benjamin Rifkin wrote:
> Dear Colleagues:
>
> I was unable to post the list to SEELANGs because it is too long. 
>  SEELANGers had a lot to say on this topic!
>
> I therefore created a website, hosted by my unit on campus, at this 
> address:
>
> http://hss.pages.tcnj.edu/american-films-with-russian-content/
>
> When you access the information, if it is valuable to you, please copy 
> the text and save it to your own files, as I will not be able to 
> maintain this page on our school's website indefinitely.
>
> I extend my sincere and profound thanks to all those who sent me 
> suggestions, especially Helena Goscilo.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Ben Rifkin
> The College of New Jersey
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Date:    Tue, 6 Aug 2013 00:00:48 +0000
From:    Mark Schrad <mark.schrad at VILLANOVA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Summary List of Russian Films with American Content

Of course there's also Stanley Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" (based on the 
Anthony Burgess book), which I don't think has any Russian characters per se, 
but does utilize a lot of Russian slang in an argot called "Nadsat."

Also, in the much-lesser-known-movies category, there are the two different 
1980s film adaptations (and a TV series) called "Whoops! Apocalypse" which have 
some slapstick depictions of Russians, most notably by Alexei Sayle, who also 
portrayed a variety of different Russian characters in the short-lived 1980s 
punk sitcom "The Young Ones."

See, for instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHDw2q2e-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifjPV3__KiA


Mark Lawrence Schrad

Assistant Professor
Department of Political Science
Villanova University
256 St. Augustine Center
800 Lancaster Ave.
Villanova, PA  19085-1699

http://www10.homepage.villanova.edu/mark.schrad
mark.schrad at villanova.edu

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[SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Benjamin Rifkin [rifkin at TCNJ.EDU]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [SEELANGS] Summary List of Russian Films with American Content

Dear Colleagues:

I was unable to post the list to SEELANGs because it is too long.  SEELANGers 
had a lot to say on this topic!

I therefore created a website, hosted by my unit on campus, at this address:

http://hss.pages.tcnj.edu/american-films-with-russian-content/

When you access the information, if it is valuable to you, please copy the text 
and save it to your own files, as I will not be able to maintain this page on 
our school's website indefinitely.

I extend my sincere and profound thanks to all those who sent me suggestions, 
especially Helena Goscilo.

With best wishes,

Ben Rifkin
The College of New Jersey
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Date:    Mon, 5 Aug 2013 20:22:27 -0400
From:    Tim Harte <tharte at BRYNMAWR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Summary List of Russian Films with American Content

Hi Ben,

I'm also late to this discussion, but one Russian film with colorful American 
characters missing from your list is Kalatozov's IA KUBA.

Best,  Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Ryan" <wfr at SAS.AC.UK>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:01:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Summary List of Russian Films with American Content


Sorry to be late, but don't leave out Felix the Cat - in the silent cartoon 
"Felix All Puzzled" (1924/5), viewable on UTube, Felix visits revolutionaries in 
Russia in search of the answer to a crossword clue "found in Russia". The answer 
is "trouble". I think there may be another Felix film on Soviet Russia, but I 
have lost track of it. 

Will Ryan 
On 05/08/2013 21:41, Benjamin Rifkin wrote: 


Dear Colleagues: 


I was unable to post the list to SEELANGs because it is too long. SEELANGers had 
a lot to say on this topic! 


I therefore created a website, hosted by my unit on campus, at this address: 


http://hss.pages.tcnj.edu/american-films-with-russian-content/ 


When you access the information, if it is valuable to you, please copy the text 
and save it to your own files, as I will not be able to maintain this page on 
our school's website indefinitely. 


I extend my sincere and profound thanks to all those who sent me suggestions, 
especially Helena Goscilo. 


With best wishes, 


Ben Rifkin 
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Date:    Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:34:58 -0400
From:    Max Pyziur <pyz at BRAMA.COM>
Subject: Russian cultural expropriation, was Re: [SEELANGS] Summary List of 
Russian Films with American Content

> Dear Colleagues:
>
> I was unable to post the list to SEELANGs because it is too long.
> SEELANGers had a lot to say on this topic!
>
> I therefore created a website, hosted by my unit on campus, at this
> address:
>
> http://hss.pages.tcnj.edu/american-films-with-russian-content/
>
> When you access the information, if it is valuable to you, please copy the
> text and save it to your own files, as I will not be able to maintain this
> page on our school's website indefinitely.
>
> I extend my sincere and profound thanks to all those who sent me
> suggestions, especially Helena Goscilo.

I'm sorry, but there are problems with definitions in this list, as well
as ongoing cultural expropriation on the part of some continuing notion of
uber-Russia, a zombie concept.

On definitions: Dr. Strangelove and Ninochka, among a few others, deal
with the Soviet Union, not Russia. To label them as having Russian subject
matter is pure intellectual laziness in the present day. Sure, the
characters interchange Russia and the Soviet Union. But do academics like
yourself have to?

Taras Bulba is about Ukrainian cossacks. Everything Is Illuminated deals
with recovering and acquiring personal memory in Ukraine.

Sure, "... there'll be no fighting in the War Room ... ,"

Max Pyziur
pyz at brama.com


> With best wishes,
>
> Ben Rifkin
> The College of New Jersey
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Date:    Tue, 6 Aug 2013 02:14:51 +0000
From:    "Valentino, Russell Scott" <russellv at INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Russian cultural expropriation, was Re: [SEELANGS] Summary List of 
Russian Films with American Content

We could call the fact that some of the films in the American list are actually 
British intellectually lazy, but this (and the Russian vs Soviet) distinction 
seems less important than the apparently Cold War relations underlying depicting 
the Other, which the list helps to illuminate.

In this sense, it could be made even longer (we haven't touched TV, for 
instance), and it's another instance of how the Cold War shaped and continues to 
shape culture. In the US case, alongside Cold War civil rights (Mary Dudziak's 
thesis), the CIA's funding of American abstract art, the importance of 
"dissident" writers and artists of various kinds, the translation and 
championing of certain key works (Zhivago), the Cold War facilitation of Latin 
American "Boom" literature (Deborah Cohn's thesis), and much more in this vein, 
the contribution of film to a monolithic notion of that enemy over there is not 
surprising.

There's also a crazy Russian scientist alone in an abandoned space station in 
Armageddon (1998).

Russell Scott Valentino
Professor and Chair
Slavic Languages and Literatures
Indiana University
502 Ballantine Hall
Bloomington, IN 47405

On Aug 5, 2013, at 21:35, "Max Pyziur" <pyz at BRAMA.COM> wrote:

>> Dear Colleagues:
>> 
>> I was unable to post the list to SEELANGs because it is too long.
>> SEELANGers had a lot to say on this topic!
>> 
>> I therefore created a website, hosted by my unit on campus, at this
>> address:
>> 
>> http://hss.pages.tcnj.edu/american-films-with-russian-content/
>> 
>> When you access the information, if it is valuable to you, please copy the
>> text and save it to your own files, as I will not be able to maintain this
>> page on our school's website indefinitely.
>> 
>> I extend my sincere and profound thanks to all those who sent me
>> suggestions, especially Helena Goscilo.
> 
> I'm sorry, but there are problems with definitions in this list, as well
> as ongoing cultural expropriation on the part of some continuing notion of
> uber-Russia, a zombie concept.
> 
> On definitions: Dr. Strangelove and Ninochka, among a few others, deal
> with the Soviet Union, not Russia. To label them as having Russian subject
> matter is pure intellectual laziness in the present day. Sure, the
> characters interchange Russia and the Soviet Union. But do academics like
> yourself have to?
> 
> Taras Bulba is about Ukrainian cossacks. Everything Is Illuminated deals
> with recovering and acquiring personal memory in Ukraine.
> 
> Sure, "... there'll be no fighting in the War Room ... ,"
> 
> Max Pyziur
> pyz at brama.com
> 
> 
>> With best wishes,
>> 
>> Ben Rifkin
>> The College of New Jersey
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>>                   http://seelangs.home.comcast.net/
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