Analogs of Vysotsky

Sat Feb 8 14:06:27 UTC 2014

I've never heard the expression "extremely male."  What's that?

Last I checked, not only was Vysotsky a man, but his masculinity was never questioned.

Vadim

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 10:01:41 -0400
From: joeblades at NB.AIBN.COM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Analogs of Vysotsky
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   Much as I like all of 'em, can you even think of anyone not extremely male? There must be a better spectrum than this :(

   On February 8, 2014 at 9:52 AM Sentinel76 Astrakhan <thysentinel at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

    I'd love to hear the arguments for Marley.  I know next to nothing about him.

     So let's look at the following list: 

Dylan, Lennon, Morrison, Cash, Waits, Cohen, Marley, Springsteen

    Elvis, with the biggest popularity and impact of them all, IMO was never really considered a "serious artist / poet" AFAIK (feel free to correct me), which excludes him from this conversation (same as, say Michael Jackson).

If I were to rank them IN TERMS OF POPULARITY AND IMPACT, would the ranking be:

1. 
    Lennon.  Universal appeal.  I admit knowing very little about his solo career (I know his Beatles catalog very well).  

2. 
    Dylan.  Much more limited appeal, but his subject matters seem to be closer to Vysotsky's.  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mabTnMHe8

3. 
    Morrison.  Cumulatively (from the beginning and until today) he probably trumps Dylan, but he was never a solo artist, owning at least some of his success to his band, so I have to place him below.  Universal appeal, has the same "dark vibe" as Vysotsky, but was definitely more on the rock side.  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsnugCi_NQ 

4. 
    Cash.  More limited appeal, but seems similar in subject matters.  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bwfm7-uNS4

5. 
    Springsteen.  Universal appeal, but more on a rock side.  Was he "deep" enough to be considered a serious poet?

6. 
    Cohen.  Know nothing about him.  From what I've heard, the energy and "power" is not there.  Please fill me in.

7. 
    Marley.  Know nothing about him.

8. 
    Waits.  See "Cohen."  Plus the popularity & impact aren't there.  But his voice surely matches.

???

I'd love to hear ALL reasoning (and some examples too).

Yours truly,

Vadim Astrakhan

www.vvinenglish.com

     Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:03:48 -0800

From: sbishop at WILLAMETTE.EDU

Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] American Analogs of Vysotsky

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      He's not American, but I've used Bob Marley as an analogue to Vysotsky.

       On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Sentinel76 Astrakhan 
       <thysentinel at hotmail.com> wrote:

          Dear All, I have a question for discussion

In the process of explaining my "Vysotsky in English" project to Americans, I frequently have to explain who Vysotsky is and what is his place in the Russian culture.  Many times I have heard the term "Russian Dylan" thrown around.  In my opinion, 
          there are more differences than similarities.  

Both Vladimir Vysotsky and Bob Dylan were exceptional singer-songwriters, who rose to fame in the 60s, played guitar, and brought on social change with their tremendous body of work.  Both wrote highly intelligent and politically charged poetry.  But in my opinion this is where the similarities end. 
W
          ould it be correct to rank the podium of *relevant* American music as 
(1) Elvis 
(2) Dylan 
(3) Cash?  
 Or would Springsteen and Morrison crawl in there somewhere?

 What do you think?

Vadim Astrakhan
www.vvinenglish.com

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