SEELANGS Digest - 5 Jun 2014 to 6 Jun 2014 (#2014-266)
Danine Falcon
falcon at USNA.EDU
Sat Jun 7 16:34:05 UTC 2014
So, would it be possible to use "ДАЁШЬ!" to translate the slogan, "Go Navy,
Beat Army!" ?? And what would be the best choice of words for "beat," given
the meaning of the word beat in this context?
Thanks for any help with this!
Danine Falcon
Danine Falcon
Russian Language Adjunct Instructor
United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD 21402
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> 1. Soviet slogan "Dayosh!" (3)
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:08:33 +0000
> From: John Dunn <John.Dunn at GLASGOW.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Soviet slogan "Dayosh!"
>
> As Bob the Builder and one or two lesser-known characters might say:
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> Yes, we can!
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> John Dunn.
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> SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Oleksandr Spirin [
> oleksandr.spirin at YMAIL.COM]
> Sent: 06 June 2014 01:36
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> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Soviet slogan "Dayosh!"
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> «ДАЁШЬ ПЕРЕКОП И ЧОНГАР!» - призыв к штурму, атаке (
> http://a-pesni.org/grvojna/kr/a-daechper.php).
> "Даёшь досрочное выполнение плана!" - Восклицание, призывающее к
> осуществлению ч.-н. (С.И. Ожегов)
> From these examples you can see there are nuances of meaning of "даёшь".
> It is possible that each time "даёшь" would be translated taking into
> account these nuances.
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:01:30 +0100
> From: william ryan <wfr at SAS.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Soviet slogan "Dayosh!"
>
> Steve Marder's excellent Supplementary Russian-English Dictionary has
> the word (s.v. davat', 8.) with the translation "forward to, onward to"
> with the same Soviet slogan as an example "Даёшь досрочное выполнение
> плана!". Its always worth checking there when other dictionaries fail.
>
> Will Ryan
>
> On 06/06/2014 00:36, Oleksandr Spirin wrote:
> > «ДАЁШЬ ПЕРЕКОП И ЧОНГАР!» - призыв к штурму, атаке
> > (http://a-pesni.org/grvojna/kr/a-daechper.php).
> > "Даёшь досрочное выполнение плана!" - Восклицание, призывающее к
> > осуществлению ч.-н. (С.И. Ожегов)
> > From these examples you can see there are nuances of meaning of
> > "даёшь". It is possible that each time "даёшь" would be translated
> > taking into account these nuances.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:33 PM, Paul B. Gallagher
> > <paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Oleksandr Spirin wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Mr. Paul Gallagher,
> > >
> > > in reply to your query I would like to offer you an excerpt
> > > from:
> > > D.I. Kveselevich & V.P. Sasina *RUSSIAN-ENGLISH DICTINARY OF
> > > INTERJECTIONS: *Approx. 1,000 units. – Moscow: Astrel, AST, 2001. –
> > P. 110.
> > > ...
> > > ===================================
> > > 4. *Даёшь* /прост. Употр. как призыв к штурму, атаке, ударной работе и
> > > т.п./ here we come!, here we go!
> > >
> > ...
> >
> > Thank you kindly. The word seems to have the function, if not the form,
> > of давай!, which I would normally translate as "let's go!"
> >
> >
> > --
> > War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> > --
> > Paul B. Gallagher
> > pbg translations, inc.
> > "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
> > http://pbg-translations.com <http://pbg-translations.com/>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:48:04 -0400
> From: "Paul B. Gallagher" <paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Soviet slogan "Dayosh!"
>
> Thanks again to the second generation of responders, who as might be
> expected outnumbered the first generation and provided additional insights.
>
> I was pleased to see that I am not the only one who still has Steve
> Marder's dictionary, but embarrassed that I had focused on electronic
> sources while overlooking his.
>
> These constructions with даёшь remind me a little of the Korean
> constructions with 주다 /juda/ "to give," where the verb is used as a
> sort of auxiliary when the action will benefit another. E.g.,
>
> 민희는 엄마를 도와 주었다
> Minhui-neun eeomma-reul dowa ju-eot-ta
> Minhee-topic Mom-acc. help give-past-declarative
> Minhee did Mom the favor of helping her.
>
> More examples here, clearest after the photo (the English glosses
> suffice to make the point):
> <http://www.learnkoreanlp.com/2008/10/give-favour-of.html>
>
> --
> War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> --
> Paul B. Gallagher
> pbg translations, inc.
> "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
> http://pbg-translations.com
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