Ukraine/The Ukraine
anne marie devlin
anne_mariedevlin at HOTMAIL.COM
Wed Jun 18 21:52:22 UTC 2014
Dear all
Thanks for the replies so far. I suppose I should have formed the question better as in when did Ukraine become the norm in English? The newspaper articles will definitely help, William
Oleksander, the reason I guessed 1993 ad not the year of independence was because of the following:Литературная норма современного русского языка: на Украине, с Украины.«В 1993 году по требованию Правительства Украины нормативными следовало признать варианты в Украину (и соответственно из Украины). Тем самым, по мнению Правительства Украины, разрывалась не устраивающая его этимологическая связь конструкций на Украину и на окраину. Украина как бы получала лингвистическое подтверждение своего статуса суверенного государства, поскольку названия государств, а не регионов оформляются в русской традиции с помощью предлогов в (во) и из...» (Граудина Л. К., Ицкович В. А., Катлинская Л. П. Грамматическая правильность русской речи. М.: Наука, 2001. С. 69)
I don't know - but would like to find out - if something similar happened with English, i.e did the Ukraine government request the change from the Ukraine to Ukraine?Also, if anyone knows, did a change take place in any other language?
Best
Anne Marie
From: anne_mariedevlin at hotmail.com
To: oleksandr.spirin at ymail.com
Subject: RE: [SEELANGS] Ukraine/The Ukraine
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:49:30 +0100
Dear all
Thanks for the replies so far. I suppose I should have formed the question better as in when did Ukraine become the norm in English? The newspaper articles will definitely help, William
Oleksander, the reason I guessed 1993 ad not the year of independence was because of the following:Литературная норма современного русского языка: на Украине, с Украины.«В 1993 году по требованию Правительства Украины нормативными следовало признать варианты в Украину (и соответственно из Украины). Тем самым, по мнению Правительства Украины, разрывалась не устраивающая его этимологическая связь конструкций на Украину и на окраину. Украина как бы получала лингвистическое подтверждение своего статуса суверенного государства, поскольку названия государств, а не регионов оформляются в русской традиции с помощью предлогов в (во) и из...» (Граудина Л. К., Ицкович В. А., Катлинская Л. П. Грамматическая правильность русской речи. М.: Наука, 2001. С. 69)
I don't know - but would like to find out - if something similar happened with English, i.e did the Ukraine government request the change from the Ukraine to Ukraine?Also, if anyone knows, did a change take place in any other language?
Best
Anne Marie
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:26:02 -0700
From: oleksandr.spirin at YMAIL.COM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Ukraine/The Ukraine
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Dear Anne Marie,
'The Ukraine' was when Ukraine was a part of the USSR. From 1991(!) Ukraine(!) is an independent state.
With regards,Oleksandr Spirin
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 4:39 PM, anne marie devlin <anne_mariedevlin at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Dear Seelangers
Would any of you happen to know when 'The Ukraine' officially became known as 'Ukraine' in English? I presume sometime after 1993, but would be very grateful for precise information on this as I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Thanks in advance
Anne Marie
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