sky, turtle

Jimm G GoodTracks jggoodtracks at juno.com
Sat Feb 17 04:15:04 UTC 2001


For comparision:
There seems some correlation of the IO and WI as you present it below.
There is an IO story which speaks similar to the story of the Red Horn
Cycle.  In this story, a group of ten men go on the warpath and come to
the crack in the earth (end of the world).  Upon jumping over it, they
come to a Spirit Lodge, ....

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:21:27 -0600 "Richard L. Dieterle"
<Richard.L.Dieterle-1 at tc.umn.edu> writes:
> The connection between WI ke, "sky," and ke, "turtle," is
> interesting. It could
> be that WI ke meant "the vaulted one."  In one of the Redhorn Cycle
> myths, the
> sons of Redhorn go on the warpath against two spirit beings who live
> beyond the
> edge of the earth.  They have to cross the place where the sky meets
> the earth.

Mayan ^shagarana at^anweNyashgun.  Broge at^anwenya iyanki ugwa
gigrashgun.  Ruhaye  mayan  ugwa gigranye ki.  ^sanke kinuwegra rashgun.
The earth cracked and split open, and they had to jump across.  They all
jumped across, but one, he fell in.  The earth opened and closed.  He
fell in, they say.  (The Leader) went on with his nine men.

> They say that at this place a loud banging noise arises from the
> rocking
> sky-vault slamming against the rim of the earth.  This shows that at
> least some
> of the WI believed that the sky is a solid vault.

>One form for "frog"  is
> wakaNaNshge (contemporary Wisc. WI), wakaNashke (Gatschet, Dorsey).
IO= wagranshge;  Also, the small green tree frog=  peshge/ pesge.

> Another of
> the words for frog, toad is kewaxgu (contemporary WI, Lamere,
> Marino-Radin).
IO= chewax^u, toad [lit. "warty buffalo"].



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