From cqcqcq at pgtv.net  Mon Apr  1 14:50:45 2002
From: cqcqcq at pgtv.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:50:45 -0600
Subject: Dhegiha stuff.
Message-ID: <MON.1.APR.2002.085045.0600.>

Bob,
Thanks for pointing this out.  I have never found anything like this at all
in Osage speech.  iNks$e is what I find, over and over.  Only a couple of
occurences of dhiNk$e, if I remember right, but I take the two to be the
same.
Carolyn


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: Dhegiha stuff.



I was going through the La Flesche Osage dictionary and ran across the entry
"thoN-dsi" /dhaN ci/ 'at the', a locative classifier.  There are examples of
the sort:

haNpa �htaxe �aN-ci   'At the break of day.' (p. 64)
day its.tip the.sitting-LOC

zaNc� $e-�aN-ci   'at yonder forest' (p. 153)
forest that-the.sitting-LOC

The entry and accompanying examples are interesting because they suggest
that the old inanimate-sitting article, dhaN, has been retained in Osage in
the locative classifiers, even though it has been replaced by the
animate-sitting dhiNk$e when it occurs as a simple article.

La Flesche's transcription mirrors real Osage here, so I'm wondering if the
use of dhaN is real or if, perhaps, he inadvertently substituted the
Omaha-Ponca article (which we've always thought no longer existed in Osage).


I haven't been able to find any instances of the dhaN particle in Carolyn's
dissertation yet.

Bob


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Mon Apr  1 15:10:53 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:10:53 -0700
Subject: Dhegiha stuff.
In-Reply-To: <005c01c1d98c$a291d680$0e15460a@direcpc.com>
Message-ID: <MON.1.APR.2002.081053.0700.>

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Carolyn Quintero wrote:
> Thanks for pointing this out.  I have never found anything like this at all
> in Osage speech.  iNks$e is what I find, over and over.  Only a couple of
> occurences of dhiNk$e, if I remember right, but I take the two to be the
> same.

I didn't spot any instances of dhaN in Dorsey's one Osage text, but the
referents are primarily human.  That reduction of dhiNks^e to iNks^e
occurs with dhiNkhe in Omaha-Ponca, too.  I've certainly heard it, and I
think there may even be some examples in the texts.

JEK


From nancyh at linguist.umass.edu  Tue Apr  2 18:55:23 2002
From: nancyh at linguist.umass.edu (Nancy E Hall)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:55:23 -0500
Subject: Dorsey's Law
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.135523.0500.>

Hello,

	I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago and
other Siouan languages.

1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
(I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).

2. There's a similar-looking process of copy-vowel epenthesis between
sonorants and obstruents in Scots Gaelic:

/tarv/ -> [tarav]
/merg/ -> [mereg]
etc.

(similar conditioning environment to Dorsey's Law, except that the
sonorant and obstruent are in the opposite order)
	An interesting thing about the Scots Gaelic process is that native
speakers seem to find the resulting sequence ([tarav]) monosyllabic in
some respects- they have difficulty pausing within it, sing it on one
note, count it as one syllable when asked to count the syllables of a
word, etc.
	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?

Nancy


From rood at spot.Colorado.EDU  Tue Apr  2 19:19:25 2002
From: rood at spot.Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:19:25 -0700
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10204021346290.22126-100000@yolen.oit.umass.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.121925.0700.>

A very quick answer which someone else will probably elaborate on:
Winnebago speakers do treat the Dorsey's law sequences as single syllables
for purposes of assigning stress.  Stress is normally on the first or
second syllable of non-Dorsey's law words, but on the second or third for
Dorsey's law forms.  I'm sure Ken Miner has written this up in detail
somewhere.
	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Nancy E Hall wrote:

> Hello,
>
> 	I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
> questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago and
> other Siouan languages.
>
> 1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
> (I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).
>
> 2. There's a similar-looking process of copy-vowel epenthesis between
> sonorants and obstruents in Scots Gaelic:
>
> /tarv/ -> [tarav]
> /merg/ -> [mereg]
> etc.
>
> (similar conditioning environment to Dorsey's Law, except that the
> sonorant and obstruent are in the opposite order)
> 	An interesting thing about the Scots Gaelic process is that native
> speakers seem to find the resulting sequence ([tarav]) monosyllabic in
> some respects- they have difficulty pausing within it, sing it on one
> note, count it as one syllable when asked to count the syllables of a
> word, etc.
> 	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
> Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?
>
> Nancy
>


From nancyh at linguist.umass.edu  Tue Apr  2 20:33:16 2002
From: nancyh at linguist.umass.edu (Nancy E Hall)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:33:16 -0500
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204021217540.7084-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.153316.0500.>

	Right- and they also count as monosyllables for reduplication.
It seems like there are some good phonological arguments for
monosyllabicity in the Winnebago case, so I'm curious whether there is any
external support from metrics, pausing tests, tapping tests, speaker
comments, etc. the way there is in Gaelic.
	I've listened to some tapes of Winnebago elicitation by Fraenkel,
and my impression is that when the consultant is producing words
emphatically in isolation, he sometimes pauses slightly between syllables,
but not within a Dorsey's Law sequence. But this evidence isn't strong,
unless it can be corroborated by an actual fieldworker.

Nancy

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, ROOD DAVID S wrote:

> A very quick answer which someone else will probably elaborate on:
> Winnebago speakers do treat the Dorsey's law sequences as single syllables
> for purposes of assigning stress.  Stress is normally on the first or
> second syllable of non-Dorsey's law words, but on the second or third for
> Dorsey's law forms.  I'm sure Ken Miner has written this up in detail
> somewhere.
> 	David
>
> David S. Rood
> Dept. of Linguistics
> Univ. of Colorado
> 295 UCB
> Boulder, CO 80309-0295
> USA
> rood at colorado.edu
>
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Nancy E Hall wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > 	I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
> > questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago and
> > other Siouan languages.
> >
> > 1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
> > (I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).
> >
> > 2. There's a similar-looking process of copy-vowel epenthesis between
> > sonorants and obstruents in Scots Gaelic:
> >
> > /tarv/ -> [tarav]
> > /merg/ -> [mereg]
> > etc.
> >
> > (similar conditioning environment to Dorsey's Law, except that the
> > sonorant and obstruent are in the opposite order)
> > 	An interesting thing about the Scots Gaelic process is that native
> > speakers seem to find the resulting sequence ([tarav]) monosyllabic in
> > some respects- they have difficulty pausing within it, sing it on one
> > note, count it as one syllable when asked to count the syllables of a
> > word, etc.
> > 	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
> > Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?
> >
> > Nancy
> >
>


From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Apr  2 20:51:02 2002
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:51:02 -0600
Subject: Dorsey's Law
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.145102.0600.>

>I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago
and other Siouan languages.

Bruce Hays' book on metrical phonology summarizes the entire series of
arguments on Winnebago phonology nicely and has references to the original
sources.

You might try to contact Ken Miner, the author of several of the papers on
WI phonology and about the only person with an interest in phonology and a
lot of field experience with WI, and see if he can help you.  He has been
retired from the Univ. of Kansas for a couple of years but probably still
has an email account with the University.

The other person to write to is Mauricio Mixco at the Univ. of Utah.  Mo has
worked with Mandan speakers, and Mandan also has a Dorsey's Law phenomenon.


There are no doubt lots of studies of Russian, Ukrainian, etc. polnoglasie
available too.  It's somewhat similar.  Also, Hungarian borrowings of
western words often have epenthetic copy vowels as I recall.

Bob Rankin


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Wed Apr  3 04:45:18 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:45:18 -0700
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10204021346290.22126-100000@yolen.oit.umass.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.214518.0700.>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Nancy E Hall wrote:
> 1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
> (I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).

WRT Omaha, where there isn't any subsequent accentual shift, and where the
vowel introduced into obstruent-sonant clusters is schwa, essentially a
phonetic element of the cluster, I've heard "England" in context in
English and Omaha produced with a consistent schwa in gl.

In Winnebago all I can offer is that searching the English loan words
(so-marked) in Miner's unpublished Field Lexicon yielded c^ra'ak and
sn^a'ap (n^ = n-hacek, or r as pronounced after a nasal vowel).  Although
the use of n^ instead of n is perhaps suggestive, it certainly appears to
me that both these forms should exhibit Dorsey's Law, if it were
productive, but do not.

Incidentally, VrT forms appear with V(V) for Vr, cf.  poa'c^ 'porch' and
one that I've always loved since first I noticed it, ko'iNnsta'c^
'cornstarch'.  There's also kearapuNuNniya' 'California'.

> 	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
> Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?

As nearly as I can recall, all OP forms in ##bdh or ##(S)n are initially
stressed - notably in verbs.  (I guess xdhabe' 'tree' is an exception of
sorts.)  So that these clusters appear to be two-mora syllables.  I
suspect that the same is true of Ioway-Otoe and Winnebago (historically).
On the other hand, Dakotan handles these as one mora syllables as far as I
know.

For Winnebago specifically, it might be worth consulting Josie White
Eagle's dissertation on the use of Winnebago language introspection in
science education.  (I hope this is a fair assessment of at least part of
it - since I know it only at second hand.)  In addition, her intuitions
presumably underlie any descriptive material in her article with Hale.  I
don't recall any mention anywhere of syllabicity tests.


From John.Koontz at Colorado.EDU  Wed Apr  3 05:38:59 2002
From: John.Koontz at Colorado.EDU (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:38:59 -0700
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204021217540.7084-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.223859.0700.>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, ROOD DAVID S wrote:
> A very quick answer which someone else will probably elaborate on:
> Winnebago speakers do treat the Dorsey's law sequences as single syllables
> for purposes of assigning stress.  Stress is normally on the first or
> second syllable of non-Dorsey's law words, but on the second or third for
> Dorsey's law forms.  I'm sure Ken Miner has written this up in detail
> somewhere.

There are some problems with this statement.  I think David meant to
say something like "Before the application of the Winnebago Accent
Law (shift accent one syllable to the right) but after the application of
Dorsey's Law (insert a copy of V between T and R in TRV), stress was
normally on the first or second syllable of non-DL words (words without
TRV sequences), but on the second or third for DL (TRV-including) forms."

In other words, you found words like *CV(V)'CV and *CVCV'CV, and when CV
was TRV which got expanded to TVRV, you also found words like *TVRV'CV or
*TVRVCV'CV.  Subsequently these became CV(V)CV', CVCVCV', TVRVCV', and
TVRVCVCV'.

Of course, words like *CV(V)', *CV(V)'C, and *TVRV' were unaffected.  As
were cases like *CVCV' and *TVRVCV'.  Accent can't be placed on or moved
onto a non-existant syllable.

There are some words which have two DL, followed by other syllables, in
which accent originally fell on the second DL, and which therefore are now
accented on the fifth syllable:  **TRVTRV'CV => TVRVTVRVCV'.

There are also words of the form *CV'TVRV and *CVTVRV'CV that come out
CVTV'RV and CVTVRVCV'.

Accent can only end up on RV of TVRV, if it started there before the
Winnebago Accent Law.  Otherwise it is only on TV' or TVRV.

For me the important generalizations are therefore that accent before the
effects of DL and the WAL was on the first or second syllable, and only
the separate or combined effects of DL and then the WAL (plus the
existence of following syllables) can push accent beyond these points.
The WAL always pushes accent one syllable if it can, but only the
existence of one or two DL applications can boost it beyond the third
syllable.

Turning from this to the issue of vowel length, it appears to me that all
Winnebago long vowels and/or diphthongs correspond either to (a)
monosyllables, (b) loanwords (like kearipuNuNiya' 'California'), (c)
bimorphemic syllables, or (d) old initial accents (cases like *CV(V)'CV
that appears as CVCVCV'.  Thus Siouanists are left with a situation in
which Pre-Winnebago provides no more evidence than the existing Siouan
languages to help us determine whether initial accent and initial long
syllables are independent or interdependent and how.  This does not mean,
of course, Winnebago proves there were no long initials, but only that it
doesn't do any more toward proving that there were such long syllables
than, say, properly heard Omaha-Ponca or Ioway-Otoe.  It's pretty obvious
that many initial accents fall on long vowels, and Winnebago certainly
shows that this combination of features can be resolved into separate
features.


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Mon Apr  8 15:31:15 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:31:15 -0600
Subject: From SSILA Bulletin #162 on the National Anthropological Archives
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.8.APR.2002.093115.0600.>

You may want to get your delete key ready!

I'll take the liberty of reading this into the Siouan List.  Any
discipline as dependent on the BAE files of Dorsey and others as Siouan
studies should be aware of the status of the National Anthropological
Archives.  I apologize that some many of you will have seen this already,
but I know that a substantial minority of the subscribers are probably not
SSILA members and might benefit both from seeing this and from knowing
something of the services offered by SSILA, too.  SSILA has a web site at
http://www.ssila.org, maintained at present by Ardis Eschenberg, a member
of this list.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott DeLancey <delancey at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
Reply-To: ssila at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
To: ssila at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Subject: SSILA Bulletin #162

  THE SOCIETY FOR THE STUDY OF THE INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES OF THE AMERICAS

                          *** SSILA BULLETIN ***

                 An Information Service for SSILA Members

                 Editor - Victor Golla  (golla at ssila.org)
    Associate Editor - Scott DeLancey  (delancey at darkwing.uoregon.edu)

     -->>  --Correspondence should be directed to the Editor--  <<--

__________________________________________________________________________
                        Number 162:  April 8, 2002
__________________________________________________________________________

...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
162.2  NAA REOPENS AT NEW LOCATION AFTER YEAR-LONG CLOSURE

>>From Robert Leopold (Leopold at NMNH.SI.EDU) 3 Apr 2002:

The National Anthropological Archives and Human Studies Film Archives
reopened on March 12 at a new location in the Smithsonian's Museum
Support Center in Suitland, Maryland, after being closed to the public
for more than a year.

Researchers who visited the NAA at its former location at the National
Museum of Natural History know that the move was long overdue.  Our
former reading room was cramped and noisy.  Collections storage was
outdated and security was virtually absent.  Our new location in
suburban Maryland, by contrast, is a state-of-the-art research,
conservation, and collections storage facility.  The Museum Support
Center sits on 6 acres of wooded federal land adjacent to the Museum
of the American Indian's Cultural Resource Center.  MSC contains more
than 500,000 square feet of storage and office space, which is shared
by the National Museum of Natural History and other Smithsonian museums,
as well as the Smithsonian Center for Materials Research and Education
(our new upstairs neighbor).  The Department of Anthropology takes up
the lion's share of collections storage at MSC.  In fact, the archives
are the last of the department's collections to be relocated to the
suburban location.  Its ethnology, archaeology and physical anthropology
collections began their move to MSC in 1983, and today nearly a third
of the department's staff of 91 work in Maryland.

The move to MSC has also provided the perfect opportunity -- and the
necessary funding -- to perform preservation rehousing for much of
the collection.  During the past year, archives staff and scores of
volunteers rehoused and stabilized hundreds of thousands of photographs
and placed the majority of our manuscript collection (totaling more than
7,800 linear feet) into new acid-free folders and boxes, in some cases
replacing storage containers that arrived with collections in the 19th
century.  (The NAA began life as the archives of the Bureau of American
Ethnology, founded in 1879, although many of its collections were
produced even earlier.)

At MSC, visiting researchers will now be able to study associated
archival and artifact collections within easy reach of each other,
rather than having to go back and forth between Washington and Maryland.
In fact, the NAA's new reading room was designed from the ground up
with researcher needs in mind, including desktop Internet connections
that allow visiting researchers to check their e-mail.

Visiting the archives at its new location, while somewhat less
convenient than before, is fairly easy, and we think the benefits of
our new location far outweigh the inconvenience.  A shuttle bus stops
at the National Museum of Natural History (Constitution Avenue side)
at five minutes after the hour and arrives at the Museum Support Center
30 minutes later.  The shuttle is available weekdays between 8:05 am
and 5:05 pm.  Public Transportation is also available via Metrorail;
the MSC is a 10-15 minute walk from the Suitland Metro station.  Free
on-site parking is also available.

Annually, more than 600 people visited the National Anthropological
Archives and Human Studies Film Archives when they were last open, and
more than a thousand others visit the NAA/HSFA Web site each day.  To
make an appointment to visit the NAA, call 301/238-2873 or e-mail
<naa at nmnh.si.edu>.  Directions for reaching the archives are available
on the NAA web site:  <http://www.nmnh.si.edu/naa>.

                                                         --Robert Leopold
                               Archives & Collections Information Manager
                      Department of Anthropology, Smithsonian Institution
                                                    (leopold at nmnh.si.edu)

...


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Tue Apr  9 14:02:23 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:02:23 -0600
Subject: Ioway Nation site finally has a new home (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.080223.0600.>

I thought this would interest other Siouanists.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:12:10 -0700
From: Juli Kearns <jmme at mindspring.com>
To: john.koontz at colorado.edu
Subject: Ioway Nation site finally has a new home

John,

Just writing to let you know I finally dug up what looks like a permanent
home for the Ioway Nation site.  I contacted NativeWeb and they consented
to host it, so it is now up there.

The URL is:
http://ioway.nativeweb.com

The Jimm GoodTracks texts in Ioway are here:
http://ioway.nativeweb.org/language/textsinioway.htm

Hope you're doing well.

Juli


From bi1 at soas.ac.uk  Tue Apr  9 15:38:17 2002
From: bi1 at soas.ac.uk (bi1 at soas.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:38:17 +0100
Subject: Regina Pustet
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.163817.0100.>

Dear Siouanist
Does anyone have an address or e-mail for Regina Pustet.  I tried
her old one, but my message was sent back.

Bruce

Dr. Bruce Ingham
Reader in Arabic Linguistic Studies
SOAS


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Tue Apr  9 17:06:18 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:06:18 -0600
Subject: Regina Pustet
In-Reply-To: <3CB318F9.14916.20EE4EE@localhost>
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.110618.0600.>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 bi1 at soas.ac.uk wrote:
> Does anyone have an address or e-mail for Regina Pustet.  I tried
> her old one, but my message was sent back.

The U of Colorado one is now defunct.  I've sent Bruce two others that
should still be good.

JEK


From bi1 at soas.ac.uk  Tue Apr  9 17:19:13 2002
From: bi1 at soas.ac.uk (bi1 at soas.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:19:13 +0100
Subject: Regina Pustet
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204091105270.29540-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.181913.0100.>

Thanks all  for the info on Regina
bruce
On 9 Apr 2002, at 11:06, Koontz John E wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 bi1 at soas.ac.uk wrote:
> > Does anyone have an address or e-mail for Regina Pustet.  I tried
> > her old one, but my message was sent back.
>
> The U of Colorado one is now defunct.  I've sent Bruce two others that
> should still be good.
>
> JEK
>


Dr. Bruce Ingham
Reader in Arabic Linguistic Studies
SOAS


From jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu  Fri Apr 26 19:46:52 2002
From: jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu (John Boyle)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:46:52 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
In-Reply-To: <000a01c1d2c2$3bbfd2c0$929ff0c7@rcarter>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.APR.2002.144652.0500.>

Hi All,

Have people thought about where they are going to be staying?  It is
seems to work out well if we are in the same place.

See you there,

John Boyle




>SCALC 2002
>Announcement and Call For Papers
>
>The 2002 meeting of the Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference will
>be held at Black Hills State University, in Spearfish, South Dakota,
>on Friday and Saturday, May 31 and June 1.  Those wishing to present
>papers should submit a title and brief abstract to the convener,
>Dick Carter, by May 25.  (This would be best accomplished by sending
>the abstract as an e-mail attachment
>to <mailto:RichardCarter at bhsu.edu>RichardCarter at bhsu.edu.)  This
>year we will have a "parasession" on Friday morning devoted to
>papers that test contemporary ideas in linguistic theory against
>data from Siouan or Caddoan languages -- although papers which
>incorporate additional data from other language families will also
>be welcome.  Other sessions will welcome papers on any topic
>concerning Siouan or Caddoan languages.
>
>Rooms for conference participants have been reserved at Pangborn
>Hall, a university dormitory.  Those planning to attend the
>conference and reside in the dormitory should inform the convener by
>e-mail.  Our rooms will be on the first floor.  Room costs will be
>$10.80 per night for double occupancy, $21.60 per night for single
>occupancy, with an additional 8% in tax.  Persons residing on campus
>are also charged a facilities use fee of $7.50, plus 6% tax.  There
>will also be a nominal registration fee for all participants, to
>cover the cost of coffee-break refreshments.  Those who find
>dormitory living too Spartan may make their own arrangements at one
>of the many motels.  The following would be good choices:
>
>     Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)
>     Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)
>     Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)
>     Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)
>
>Spearfish is located at the northern end of the beautiful Black
>Hills, and weather at the end of May is ordinarily delightful.  For
>those planning to drive, Spearfish is located on Interstate Hwy. 90
>about 45 miles north of Rapid City, South Dakota.  Those traveling
>by air will fly to Rapid City Regional Airport, at which point it
>would be easiest to rent a car for the (roughly) 60 mile trip to
>Spearfish.  There is much to see in the area: the drive through
>Spearfish Canyon, a federally designated "Scenic Byway", is
>especially fine in late spring.  For those interested, casino
>gambling is available in the historic town of Deadwood, 17 miles
>away.  (Supply your own money.  And yes, Kevin Costner does give you
>better odds than the state and national lotteries.)
>
>For those staying on campus: dormitory staff will be available for
>check-in anytime after noon on Thursday, May 30, and will help with
>checkout from 10 AM - 12 Noon on Sunday, June 2.  (Those wishing to
>leave on Saturday night may do so, of course.)  Those needing
>additional information or assistance should contact Dick Carter at
>the above e-mail address.  He can also be reached by phone at
>605-642-6540.
>
>See you all in beautiful Spearfish!!
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From cqcqcq at pgtv.net  Fri Apr 26 21:44:39 2002
From: cqcqcq at pgtv.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:44:39 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
Message-ID: <FRI.26.APR.2002.164439.0500.>

Re: SCALC 2002Good idea, John, to try to stay at the same place.  Does anyone know room rates at the different hotels?
I think I'll rent a car in Rapid City.
Carolyn
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Boyle 
  To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu 
  Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:46 PM
  Subject: Re: SCALC 2002


  Hi All,


  Have people thought about where they are going to be staying?  It is seems to work out well if we are in the same place.


  See you there,


  John Boyle








    SCALC 2002
    Announcement and Call For Papers

    The 2002 meeting of the Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference will be held at Black Hills State University, in Spearfish, South Dakota, on Friday and Saturday, May 31 and June 1.  Those wishing to present papers should submit a title and brief abstract to the convener, Dick Carter, by May 25.  (This would be best accomplished by sending the abstract as an e-mail attachment to RichardCarter at bhsu.edu.)  This year we will have a "parasession" on Friday morning devoted to papers that test contemporary ideas in linguistic theory against data from Siouan or Caddoan languages -- although papers which incorporate additional data from other language families will also be welcome.  Other sessions will welcome papers on any topic concerning Siouan or Caddoan languages.

    Rooms for conference participants have been reserved at Pangborn Hall, a university dormitory.  Those planning to attend the conference and reside in the dormitory should inform the convener by e-mail.  Our rooms will be on the first floor.  Room costs will be $10.80 per night for double occupancy, $21.60 per night for single occupancy, with an additional 8% in tax.  Persons residing on campus are also charged a facilities use fee of $7.50, plus 6% tax.  There will also be a nominal registration fee for all participants, to cover the cost of coffee-break refreshments.  Those who find dormitory living too Spartan may make their own arrangements at one of the many motels.  The following would be good choices:

        Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)
        Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)
        Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)
        Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)

    Spearfish is located at the northern end of the beautiful Black Hills, and weather at the end of May is ordinarily delightful.  For those planning to drive, Spearfish is located on Interstate Hwy. 90 about 45 miles north of Rapid City, South Dakota.  Those traveling by air will fly to Rapid City Regional Airport, at which point it would be easiest to rent a car for the (roughly) 60 mile trip to Spearfish.  There is much to see in the area: the drive through Spearfish Canyon, a federally designated "Scenic Byway", is especially fine in late spring.  For those interested, casino gambling is available in the historic town of Deadwood, 17 miles away.  (Supply your own money.  And yes, Kevin Costner does give you better odds than the state and national lotteries.)

    For those staying on campus: dormitory staff will be available for check-in anytime after noon on Thursday, May 30, and will help with checkout from 10 AM - 12 Noon on Sunday, June 2.  (Those wishing to leave on Saturday night may do so, of course.)  Those needing additional information or assistance should contact Dick Carter at the above e-mail address.  He can also be reached by phone at 605-642-6540.

    See you all in beautiful Spearfish!!


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From jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu  Sat Apr 27 14:53:00 2002
From: jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu (John Boyle)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:53:00 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
In-Reply-To: <000a01c1d2c2$3bbfd2c0$929ff0c7@rcarter>
Message-ID: <SAT.27.APR.2002.095300.0500.>

Hi All,

Just a little research on prices and such.  Does anyone have any preferences?

John Boyle


>
>
>     Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)

Single	$ 55.00
Double	$ 60.00
Pool	yes
Restaurant no
	Hours --
Bar no
	Hours --

--------------------------------------------
>     Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)


Single	$ 59.00 or $53.00 (with AAA discount)
Double	$ 69.00  or $63.00 (with AAA discount)
Pool	yes + hot tub
Restaurant - next door
	Hours 24 hours
Bar no
	Hours --

-------------------------------------------
>     Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)



Single	$ 69.99
Double	$ 69.99
Pool	yes (the largest in Spearfish!) + hot tub
Restaurant yes
	Hours 6:00 PM - 2:00 PM/ 5:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Bar	yes
	Hours 4:00 PM - 11:00 PM

>     Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)



Single	$ 69.00
Double	$ 79.00
Pool	yes + hot tub
Restaurant no (across street there is an Applebee's)
	Hours --
Bar	no
	Hours --

>
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From cqcqcq at pgtv.net  Sat Apr 27 15:54:08 2002
From: cqcqcq at pgtv.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:54:08 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
Message-ID: <SAT.27.APR.2002.105408.0500.>

Re: SCALC 2002John, thanks for your hotel research.  I'd vote for the Kelly Inn, since it seems to have the best prices for a single (with AAA, which I have), pool and hot tub and 24 hour restaurant next door.  But I'd go along with whatever others decide.  I plan to rent a car, so would be able to offer a ride to anyone who wants.
Carolyn
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Boyle 
  To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:53 AM
  Subject: Re: SCALC 2002


  Hi All,


  Just a little research on prices and such.  Does anyone have any preferences?


  John Boyle







        Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)

  Single  $ 55.00
  Double  $ 60.00
  Pool    yes
  Restaurant no
          Hours --
  Bar no
          Hours --


  --------------------------------------------
        Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)



  Single  $ 59.00 or $53.00 (with AAA discount)
  Double  $ 69.00  or $63.00 (with AAA discount)
  Pool    yes + hot tub
  Restaurant - next door
          Hours 24 hours
  Bar no
          Hours --

  -------------------------------------------
        Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)




  Single  $ 69.99
  Double  $ 69.99
  Pool    yes (the largest in Spearfish!) + hot tub
  Restaurant yes
          Hours 6:00 PM - 2:00 PM/ 5:00 PM - 9:00 PM
  Bar     yes
          Hours 4:00 PM - 11:00 PM


        Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)




  Single  $ 69.00
  Double  $ 79.00
  Pool    yes + hot tub
  Restaurant no (across street there is an Applebee's)
          Hours --
  Bar     no
          Hours --




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From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Mon Apr 29 02:11:51 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:11:51 -0600
Subject: Reviused Address for Dryer's OP Concordances
Message-ID: <SUN.28.APR.2002.201151.0600.>

Siouanists interested in consulting the concordances Matthew Dryver made
for Ardis Eschenberg from the Siouan Archives Dorsey texts should now see:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/linguistics/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/omaha.conc.sit
.../omaha.conc.rev.sit
.../omaha.conc.engl.sit

His description:

>Concordances of Dorsey's Omaha Texts
>
>These concordances are meant to be looked at on one's computer screen.
>They are far too long to print out.  (If you tried, they would be over
>20,000 pages.)
>
>There are three concordances, the main one (Omaha, alphabetical), the
>reverse Omaha one, and the English-based one.  Each concordance contains
>20 or more documents, one for each letter.  Each concordance also
contains
>an additional document with the suffix "list" (before the .rtf suffix)
>which is a list of all the words in the order they occur in that
>concordance and their frequency in the Dorsey texts.
>
>They are all RTF documents.  Except for the list documents, they must be
>opened from within Microsoft Word on a Mac.  I don't know if this is also
>necessary in Windows.  The choice of nonstandard characters is based on
>what seems to work in Windows (the accent mark does not come out right on
>a Mac).  A tilde using its own space is used for the nasalization symbol.
>
>There are three StuffIt documents, one for each of the three
concourdance.
>Each will expland into a folder containing the 20 or more documents
making
>up that concordance.  Each of the three StuffIt documents is about 4MB.
>When unstuffed, these three concordances require a total of about 80MB of
>hard disk space.
>
>The three concordances are at the following URL's:

Where to get StuffIt, a program that can handle sit archives:

> You can get a StuffIt unstuffer for dealing with the concordance SIT
> archives at http://www.stuffit.com/expander/index.html.  Do a custom
> install and only install the expander.  Don't let it handle files with
> other extensions unless you want to use it instead of whatever
> unzippers, etc., you already use.


From bi1 at soas.ac.uk  Mon Apr 29 10:40:14 2002
From: bi1 at soas.ac.uk (bi1 at soas.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:40:14 +0100
Subject: SCALC 2002
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From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Tue Apr 30 13:51:47 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:51:47 -0600
Subject: Reviused Address for Dryer's OP Concordances
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204281850240.23619-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.30.APR.2002.075147.0600.>

On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Koontz John E wrote:

> Siouanists interested in consulting the concordances Matthew Dryver made
> for Ardis Eschenberg ...

Correction:  it's Dryer.


From strechter at csuchico.edu  Tue Apr 30 21:42:00 2002
From: strechter at csuchico.edu (Trechter, Sara)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:42:00 -0700
Subject: Revised Address for Dryer's OP Concordances
Message-ID: <TUE.30.APR.2002.144200.0700.>

Hi, these are a great resource.  I just tried downloading the concordances,
and was sent to this address:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/omaha.conc.sit


sara


From cqcqcq at pgtv.net  Mon Apr  1 14:50:45 2002
From: cqcqcq at pgtv.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:50:45 -0600
Subject: Dhegiha stuff.
Message-ID: <MON.1.APR.2002.085045.0600.>

Bob,
Thanks for pointing this out.  I have never found anything like this at all
in Osage speech.  iNks$e is what I find, over and over.  Only a couple of
occurences of dhiNk$e, if I remember right, but I take the two to be the
same.
Carolyn


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: Dhegiha stuff.



I was going through the La Flesche Osage dictionary and ran across the entry
"thoN-dsi" /dhaN ci/ 'at the', a locative classifier.  There are examples of
the sort:

haNpa ?htaxe ?aN-ci   'At the break of day.' (p. 64)
day its.tip the.sitting-LOC

zaNc? $e-?aN-ci   'at yonder forest' (p. 153)
forest that-the.sitting-LOC

The entry and accompanying examples are interesting because they suggest
that the old inanimate-sitting article, dhaN, has been retained in Osage in
the locative classifiers, even though it has been replaced by the
animate-sitting dhiNk$e when it occurs as a simple article.

La Flesche's transcription mirrors real Osage here, so I'm wondering if the
use of dhaN is real or if, perhaps, he inadvertently substituted the
Omaha-Ponca article (which we've always thought no longer existed in Osage).


I haven't been able to find any instances of the dhaN particle in Carolyn's
dissertation yet.

Bob


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Mon Apr  1 15:10:53 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:10:53 -0700
Subject: Dhegiha stuff.
In-Reply-To: <005c01c1d98c$a291d680$0e15460a@direcpc.com>
Message-ID: <MON.1.APR.2002.081053.0700.>

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Carolyn Quintero wrote:
> Thanks for pointing this out.  I have never found anything like this at all
> in Osage speech.  iNks$e is what I find, over and over.  Only a couple of
> occurences of dhiNk$e, if I remember right, but I take the two to be the
> same.

I didn't spot any instances of dhaN in Dorsey's one Osage text, but the
referents are primarily human.  That reduction of dhiNks^e to iNks^e
occurs with dhiNkhe in Omaha-Ponca, too.  I've certainly heard it, and I
think there may even be some examples in the texts.

JEK


From nancyh at linguist.umass.edu  Tue Apr  2 18:55:23 2002
From: nancyh at linguist.umass.edu (Nancy E Hall)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:55:23 -0500
Subject: Dorsey's Law
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.135523.0500.>

Hello,

	I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago and
other Siouan languages.

1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
(I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).

2. There's a similar-looking process of copy-vowel epenthesis between
sonorants and obstruents in Scots Gaelic:

/tarv/ -> [tarav]
/merg/ -> [mereg]
etc.

(similar conditioning environment to Dorsey's Law, except that the
sonorant and obstruent are in the opposite order)
	An interesting thing about the Scots Gaelic process is that native
speakers seem to find the resulting sequence ([tarav]) monosyllabic in
some respects- they have difficulty pausing within it, sing it on one
note, count it as one syllable when asked to count the syllables of a
word, etc.
	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?

Nancy


From rood at spot.Colorado.EDU  Tue Apr  2 19:19:25 2002
From: rood at spot.Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:19:25 -0700
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10204021346290.22126-100000@yolen.oit.umass.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.121925.0700.>

A very quick answer which someone else will probably elaborate on:
Winnebago speakers do treat the Dorsey's law sequences as single syllables
for purposes of assigning stress.  Stress is normally on the first or
second syllable of non-Dorsey's law words, but on the second or third for
Dorsey's law forms.  I'm sure Ken Miner has written this up in detail
somewhere.
	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Nancy E Hall wrote:

> Hello,
>
> 	I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
> questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago and
> other Siouan languages.
>
> 1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
> (I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).
>
> 2. There's a similar-looking process of copy-vowel epenthesis between
> sonorants and obstruents in Scots Gaelic:
>
> /tarv/ -> [tarav]
> /merg/ -> [mereg]
> etc.
>
> (similar conditioning environment to Dorsey's Law, except that the
> sonorant and obstruent are in the opposite order)
> 	An interesting thing about the Scots Gaelic process is that native
> speakers seem to find the resulting sequence ([tarav]) monosyllabic in
> some respects- they have difficulty pausing within it, sing it on one
> note, count it as one syllable when asked to count the syllables of a
> word, etc.
> 	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
> Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?
>
> Nancy
>


From nancyh at linguist.umass.edu  Tue Apr  2 20:33:16 2002
From: nancyh at linguist.umass.edu (Nancy E Hall)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:33:16 -0500
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204021217540.7084-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.153316.0500.>

	Right- and they also count as monosyllables for reduplication.
It seems like there are some good phonological arguments for
monosyllabicity in the Winnebago case, so I'm curious whether there is any
external support from metrics, pausing tests, tapping tests, speaker
comments, etc. the way there is in Gaelic.
	I've listened to some tapes of Winnebago elicitation by Fraenkel,
and my impression is that when the consultant is producing words
emphatically in isolation, he sometimes pauses slightly between syllables,
but not within a Dorsey's Law sequence. But this evidence isn't strong,
unless it can be corroborated by an actual fieldworker.

Nancy

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, ROOD DAVID S wrote:

> A very quick answer which someone else will probably elaborate on:
> Winnebago speakers do treat the Dorsey's law sequences as single syllables
> for purposes of assigning stress.  Stress is normally on the first or
> second syllable of non-Dorsey's law words, but on the second or third for
> Dorsey's law forms.  I'm sure Ken Miner has written this up in detail
> somewhere.
> 	David
>
> David S. Rood
> Dept. of Linguistics
> Univ. of Colorado
> 295 UCB
> Boulder, CO 80309-0295
> USA
> rood at colorado.edu
>
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Nancy E Hall wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > 	I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
> > questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago and
> > other Siouan languages.
> >
> > 1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
> > (I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).
> >
> > 2. There's a similar-looking process of copy-vowel epenthesis between
> > sonorants and obstruents in Scots Gaelic:
> >
> > /tarv/ -> [tarav]
> > /merg/ -> [mereg]
> > etc.
> >
> > (similar conditioning environment to Dorsey's Law, except that the
> > sonorant and obstruent are in the opposite order)
> > 	An interesting thing about the Scots Gaelic process is that native
> > speakers seem to find the resulting sequence ([tarav]) monosyllabic in
> > some respects- they have difficulty pausing within it, sing it on one
> > note, count it as one syllable when asked to count the syllables of a
> > word, etc.
> > 	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
> > Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?
> >
> > Nancy
> >
>


From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Apr  2 20:51:02 2002
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:51:02 -0600
Subject: Dorsey's Law
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.145102.0600.>

>I am writing a dissertation on epenthetic vowels, and have a few
questions about those that are inserted by 'Dorsey's Law' in Winnebago
and other Siouan languages.

Bruce Hays' book on metrical phonology summarizes the entire series of
arguments on Winnebago phonology nicely and has references to the original
sources.

You might try to contact Ken Miner, the author of several of the papers on
WI phonology and about the only person with an interest in phonology and a
lot of field experience with WI, and see if he can help you.  He has been
retired from the Univ. of Kansas for a couple of years but probably still
has an email account with the University.

The other person to write to is Mauricio Mixco at the Univ. of Utah.  Mo has
worked with Mandan speakers, and Mandan also has a Dorsey's Law phenomenon.


There are no doubt lots of studies of Russian, Ukrainian, etc. polnoglasie
available too.  It's somewhat similar.  Also, Hungarian borrowings of
western words often have epenthetic copy vowels as I recall.

Bob Rankin


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Wed Apr  3 04:45:18 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:45:18 -0700
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10204021346290.22126-100000@yolen.oit.umass.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.214518.0700.>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Nancy E Hall wrote:
> 1. 	Are there any examples of loanwords that have undergone Dorsey's Law?
> (I'm looking for evidence that it's synchronically productive).

WRT Omaha, where there isn't any subsequent accentual shift, and where the
vowel introduced into obstruent-sonant clusters is schwa, essentially a
phonetic element of the cluster, I've heard "England" in context in
English and Omaha produced with a consistent schwa in gl.

In Winnebago all I can offer is that searching the English loan words
(so-marked) in Miner's unpublished Field Lexicon yielded c^ra'ak and
sn^a'ap (n^ = n-hacek, or r as pronounced after a nasal vowel).  Although
the use of n^ instead of n is perhaps suggestive, it certainly appears to
me that both these forms should exhibit Dorsey's Law, if it were
productive, but do not.

Incidentally, VrT forms appear with V(V) for Vr, cf.  poa'c^ 'porch' and
one that I've always loved since first I noticed it, ko'iNnsta'c^
'cornstarch'.  There's also kearapuNuNniya' 'California'.

> 	Does anyone know how native speakers view Dorsey's Law segments?
> Have any tests for intuitions about syllabicity been tried?

As nearly as I can recall, all OP forms in ##bdh or ##(S)n are initially
stressed - notably in verbs.  (I guess xdhabe' 'tree' is an exception of
sorts.)  So that these clusters appear to be two-mora syllables.  I
suspect that the same is true of Ioway-Otoe and Winnebago (historically).
On the other hand, Dakotan handles these as one mora syllables as far as I
know.

For Winnebago specifically, it might be worth consulting Josie White
Eagle's dissertation on the use of Winnebago language introspection in
science education.  (I hope this is a fair assessment of at least part of
it - since I know it only at second hand.)  In addition, her intuitions
presumably underlie any descriptive material in her article with Hale.  I
don't recall any mention anywhere of syllabicity tests.


From John.Koontz at Colorado.EDU  Wed Apr  3 05:38:59 2002
From: John.Koontz at Colorado.EDU (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:38:59 -0700
Subject: Dorsey's Law
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204021217540.7084-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.APR.2002.223859.0700.>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, ROOD DAVID S wrote:
> A very quick answer which someone else will probably elaborate on:
> Winnebago speakers do treat the Dorsey's law sequences as single syllables
> for purposes of assigning stress.  Stress is normally on the first or
> second syllable of non-Dorsey's law words, but on the second or third for
> Dorsey's law forms.  I'm sure Ken Miner has written this up in detail
> somewhere.

There are some problems with this statement.  I think David meant to
say something like "Before the application of the Winnebago Accent
Law (shift accent one syllable to the right) but after the application of
Dorsey's Law (insert a copy of V between T and R in TRV), stress was
normally on the first or second syllable of non-DL words (words without
TRV sequences), but on the second or third for DL (TRV-including) forms."

In other words, you found words like *CV(V)'CV and *CVCV'CV, and when CV
was TRV which got expanded to TVRV, you also found words like *TVRV'CV or
*TVRVCV'CV.  Subsequently these became CV(V)CV', CVCVCV', TVRVCV', and
TVRVCVCV'.

Of course, words like *CV(V)', *CV(V)'C, and *TVRV' were unaffected.  As
were cases like *CVCV' and *TVRVCV'.  Accent can't be placed on or moved
onto a non-existant syllable.

There are some words which have two DL, followed by other syllables, in
which accent originally fell on the second DL, and which therefore are now
accented on the fifth syllable:  **TRVTRV'CV => TVRVTVRVCV'.

There are also words of the form *CV'TVRV and *CVTVRV'CV that come out
CVTV'RV and CVTVRVCV'.

Accent can only end up on RV of TVRV, if it started there before the
Winnebago Accent Law.  Otherwise it is only on TV' or TVRV.

For me the important generalizations are therefore that accent before the
effects of DL and the WAL was on the first or second syllable, and only
the separate or combined effects of DL and then the WAL (plus the
existence of following syllables) can push accent beyond these points.
The WAL always pushes accent one syllable if it can, but only the
existence of one or two DL applications can boost it beyond the third
syllable.

Turning from this to the issue of vowel length, it appears to me that all
Winnebago long vowels and/or diphthongs correspond either to (a)
monosyllables, (b) loanwords (like kearipuNuNiya' 'California'), (c)
bimorphemic syllables, or (d) old initial accents (cases like *CV(V)'CV
that appears as CVCVCV'.  Thus Siouanists are left with a situation in
which Pre-Winnebago provides no more evidence than the existing Siouan
languages to help us determine whether initial accent and initial long
syllables are independent or interdependent and how.  This does not mean,
of course, Winnebago proves there were no long initials, but only that it
doesn't do any more toward proving that there were such long syllables
than, say, properly heard Omaha-Ponca or Ioway-Otoe.  It's pretty obvious
that many initial accents fall on long vowels, and Winnebago certainly
shows that this combination of features can be resolved into separate
features.


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Mon Apr  8 15:31:15 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:31:15 -0600
Subject: From SSILA Bulletin #162 on the National Anthropological Archives
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.8.APR.2002.093115.0600.>

You may want to get your delete key ready!

I'll take the liberty of reading this into the Siouan List.  Any
discipline as dependent on the BAE files of Dorsey and others as Siouan
studies should be aware of the status of the National Anthropological
Archives.  I apologize that some many of you will have seen this already,
but I know that a substantial minority of the subscribers are probably not
SSILA members and might benefit both from seeing this and from knowing
something of the services offered by SSILA, too.  SSILA has a web site at
http://www.ssila.org, maintained at present by Ardis Eschenberg, a member
of this list.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott DeLancey <delancey at darkwing.uoregon.edu>
Reply-To: ssila at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
To: ssila at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Subject: SSILA Bulletin #162

  THE SOCIETY FOR THE STUDY OF THE INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES OF THE AMERICAS

                          *** SSILA BULLETIN ***

                 An Information Service for SSILA Members

                 Editor - Victor Golla  (golla at ssila.org)
    Associate Editor - Scott DeLancey  (delancey at darkwing.uoregon.edu)

     -->>  --Correspondence should be directed to the Editor--  <<--

__________________________________________________________________________
                        Number 162:  April 8, 2002
__________________________________________________________________________

...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
162.2  NAA REOPENS AT NEW LOCATION AFTER YEAR-LONG CLOSURE

>>From Robert Leopold (Leopold at NMNH.SI.EDU) 3 Apr 2002:

The National Anthropological Archives and Human Studies Film Archives
reopened on March 12 at a new location in the Smithsonian's Museum
Support Center in Suitland, Maryland, after being closed to the public
for more than a year.

Researchers who visited the NAA at its former location at the National
Museum of Natural History know that the move was long overdue.  Our
former reading room was cramped and noisy.  Collections storage was
outdated and security was virtually absent.  Our new location in
suburban Maryland, by contrast, is a state-of-the-art research,
conservation, and collections storage facility.  The Museum Support
Center sits on 6 acres of wooded federal land adjacent to the Museum
of the American Indian's Cultural Resource Center.  MSC contains more
than 500,000 square feet of storage and office space, which is shared
by the National Museum of Natural History and other Smithsonian museums,
as well as the Smithsonian Center for Materials Research and Education
(our new upstairs neighbor).  The Department of Anthropology takes up
the lion's share of collections storage at MSC.  In fact, the archives
are the last of the department's collections to be relocated to the
suburban location.  Its ethnology, archaeology and physical anthropology
collections began their move to MSC in 1983, and today nearly a third
of the department's staff of 91 work in Maryland.

The move to MSC has also provided the perfect opportunity -- and the
necessary funding -- to perform preservation rehousing for much of
the collection.  During the past year, archives staff and scores of
volunteers rehoused and stabilized hundreds of thousands of photographs
and placed the majority of our manuscript collection (totaling more than
7,800 linear feet) into new acid-free folders and boxes, in some cases
replacing storage containers that arrived with collections in the 19th
century.  (The NAA began life as the archives of the Bureau of American
Ethnology, founded in 1879, although many of its collections were
produced even earlier.)

At MSC, visiting researchers will now be able to study associated
archival and artifact collections within easy reach of each other,
rather than having to go back and forth between Washington and Maryland.
In fact, the NAA's new reading room was designed from the ground up
with researcher needs in mind, including desktop Internet connections
that allow visiting researchers to check their e-mail.

Visiting the archives at its new location, while somewhat less
convenient than before, is fairly easy, and we think the benefits of
our new location far outweigh the inconvenience.  A shuttle bus stops
at the National Museum of Natural History (Constitution Avenue side)
at five minutes after the hour and arrives at the Museum Support Center
30 minutes later.  The shuttle is available weekdays between 8:05 am
and 5:05 pm.  Public Transportation is also available via Metrorail;
the MSC is a 10-15 minute walk from the Suitland Metro station.  Free
on-site parking is also available.

Annually, more than 600 people visited the National Anthropological
Archives and Human Studies Film Archives when they were last open, and
more than a thousand others visit the NAA/HSFA Web site each day.  To
make an appointment to visit the NAA, call 301/238-2873 or e-mail
<naa at nmnh.si.edu>.  Directions for reaching the archives are available
on the NAA web site:  <http://www.nmnh.si.edu/naa>.

                                                         --Robert Leopold
                               Archives & Collections Information Manager
                      Department of Anthropology, Smithsonian Institution
                                                    (leopold at nmnh.si.edu)

...


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Tue Apr  9 14:02:23 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:02:23 -0600
Subject: Ioway Nation site finally has a new home (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.080223.0600.>

I thought this would interest other Siouanists.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:12:10 -0700
From: Juli Kearns <jmme at mindspring.com>
To: john.koontz at colorado.edu
Subject: Ioway Nation site finally has a new home

John,

Just writing to let you know I finally dug up what looks like a permanent
home for the Ioway Nation site.  I contacted NativeWeb and they consented
to host it, so it is now up there.

The URL is:
http://ioway.nativeweb.com

The Jimm GoodTracks texts in Ioway are here:
http://ioway.nativeweb.org/language/textsinioway.htm

Hope you're doing well.

Juli


From bi1 at soas.ac.uk  Tue Apr  9 15:38:17 2002
From: bi1 at soas.ac.uk (bi1 at soas.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:38:17 +0100
Subject: Regina Pustet
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.163817.0100.>

Dear Siouanist
Does anyone have an address or e-mail for Regina Pustet.  I tried
her old one, but my message was sent back.

Bruce

Dr. Bruce Ingham
Reader in Arabic Linguistic Studies
SOAS


From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Tue Apr  9 17:06:18 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:06:18 -0600
Subject: Regina Pustet
In-Reply-To: <3CB318F9.14916.20EE4EE@localhost>
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.110618.0600.>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 bi1 at soas.ac.uk wrote:
> Does anyone have an address or e-mail for Regina Pustet.  I tried
> her old one, but my message was sent back.

The U of Colorado one is now defunct.  I've sent Bruce two others that
should still be good.

JEK


From bi1 at soas.ac.uk  Tue Apr  9 17:19:13 2002
From: bi1 at soas.ac.uk (bi1 at soas.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:19:13 +0100
Subject: Regina Pustet
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204091105270.29540-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.9.APR.2002.181913.0100.>

Thanks all  for the info on Regina
bruce
On 9 Apr 2002, at 11:06, Koontz John E wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 bi1 at soas.ac.uk wrote:
> > Does anyone have an address or e-mail for Regina Pustet.  I tried
> > her old one, but my message was sent back.
>
> The U of Colorado one is now defunct.  I've sent Bruce two others that
> should still be good.
>
> JEK
>


Dr. Bruce Ingham
Reader in Arabic Linguistic Studies
SOAS


From jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu  Fri Apr 26 19:46:52 2002
From: jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu (John Boyle)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:46:52 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
In-Reply-To: <000a01c1d2c2$3bbfd2c0$929ff0c7@rcarter>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.APR.2002.144652.0500.>

Hi All,

Have people thought about where they are going to be staying?  It is
seems to work out well if we are in the same place.

See you there,

John Boyle




>SCALC 2002
>Announcement and Call For Papers
>
>The 2002 meeting of the Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference will
>be held at Black Hills State University, in Spearfish, South Dakota,
>on Friday and Saturday, May 31 and June 1.  Those wishing to present
>papers should submit a title and brief abstract to the convener,
>Dick Carter, by May 25.  (This would be best accomplished by sending
>the abstract as an e-mail attachment
>to <mailto:RichardCarter at bhsu.edu>RichardCarter at bhsu.edu.)  This
>year we will have a "parasession" on Friday morning devoted to
>papers that test contemporary ideas in linguistic theory against
>data from Siouan or Caddoan languages -- although papers which
>incorporate additional data from other language families will also
>be welcome.  Other sessions will welcome papers on any topic
>concerning Siouan or Caddoan languages.
>
>Rooms for conference participants have been reserved at Pangborn
>Hall, a university dormitory.  Those planning to attend the
>conference and reside in the dormitory should inform the convener by
>e-mail.  Our rooms will be on the first floor.  Room costs will be
>$10.80 per night for double occupancy, $21.60 per night for single
>occupancy, with an additional 8% in tax.  Persons residing on campus
>are also charged a facilities use fee of $7.50, plus 6% tax.  There
>will also be a nominal registration fee for all participants, to
>cover the cost of coffee-break refreshments.  Those who find
>dormitory living too Spartan may make their own arrangements at one
>of the many motels.  The following would be good choices:
>
>     Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)
>     Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)
>     Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)
>     Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)
>
>Spearfish is located at the northern end of the beautiful Black
>Hills, and weather at the end of May is ordinarily delightful.  For
>those planning to drive, Spearfish is located on Interstate Hwy. 90
>about 45 miles north of Rapid City, South Dakota.  Those traveling
>by air will fly to Rapid City Regional Airport, at which point it
>would be easiest to rent a car for the (roughly) 60 mile trip to
>Spearfish.  There is much to see in the area: the drive through
>Spearfish Canyon, a federally designated "Scenic Byway", is
>especially fine in late spring.  For those interested, casino
>gambling is available in the historic town of Deadwood, 17 miles
>away.  (Supply your own money.  And yes, Kevin Costner does give you
>better odds than the state and national lotteries.)
>
>For those staying on campus: dormitory staff will be available for
>check-in anytime after noon on Thursday, May 30, and will help with
>checkout from 10 AM - 12 Noon on Sunday, June 2.  (Those wishing to
>leave on Saturday night may do so, of course.)  Those needing
>additional information or assistance should contact Dick Carter at
>the above e-mail address.  He can also be reached by phone at
>605-642-6540.
>
>See you all in beautiful Spearfish!!
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From cqcqcq at pgtv.net  Fri Apr 26 21:44:39 2002
From: cqcqcq at pgtv.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:44:39 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
Message-ID: <FRI.26.APR.2002.164439.0500.>

Re: SCALC 2002Good idea, John, to try to stay at the same place.  Does anyone know room rates at the different hotels?
I think I'll rent a car in Rapid City.
Carolyn
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Boyle 
  To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu 
  Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:46 PM
  Subject: Re: SCALC 2002


  Hi All,


  Have people thought about where they are going to be staying?  It is seems to work out well if we are in the same place.


  See you there,


  John Boyle








    SCALC 2002
    Announcement and Call For Papers

    The 2002 meeting of the Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference will be held at Black Hills State University, in Spearfish, South Dakota, on Friday and Saturday, May 31 and June 1.  Those wishing to present papers should submit a title and brief abstract to the convener, Dick Carter, by May 25.  (This would be best accomplished by sending the abstract as an e-mail attachment to RichardCarter at bhsu.edu.)  This year we will have a "parasession" on Friday morning devoted to papers that test contemporary ideas in linguistic theory against data from Siouan or Caddoan languages -- although papers which incorporate additional data from other language families will also be welcome.  Other sessions will welcome papers on any topic concerning Siouan or Caddoan languages.

    Rooms for conference participants have been reserved at Pangborn Hall, a university dormitory.  Those planning to attend the conference and reside in the dormitory should inform the convener by e-mail.  Our rooms will be on the first floor.  Room costs will be $10.80 per night for double occupancy, $21.60 per night for single occupancy, with an additional 8% in tax.  Persons residing on campus are also charged a facilities use fee of $7.50, plus 6% tax.  There will also be a nominal registration fee for all participants, to cover the cost of coffee-break refreshments.  Those who find dormitory living too Spartan may make their own arrangements at one of the many motels.  The following would be good choices:

        Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)
        Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)
        Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)
        Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)

    Spearfish is located at the northern end of the beautiful Black Hills, and weather at the end of May is ordinarily delightful.  For those planning to drive, Spearfish is located on Interstate Hwy. 90 about 45 miles north of Rapid City, South Dakota.  Those traveling by air will fly to Rapid City Regional Airport, at which point it would be easiest to rent a car for the (roughly) 60 mile trip to Spearfish.  There is much to see in the area: the drive through Spearfish Canyon, a federally designated "Scenic Byway", is especially fine in late spring.  For those interested, casino gambling is available in the historic town of Deadwood, 17 miles away.  (Supply your own money.  And yes, Kevin Costner does give you better odds than the state and national lotteries.)

    For those staying on campus: dormitory staff will be available for check-in anytime after noon on Thursday, May 30, and will help with checkout from 10 AM - 12 Noon on Sunday, June 2.  (Those wishing to leave on Saturday night may do so, of course.)  Those needing additional information or assistance should contact Dick Carter at the above e-mail address.  He can also be reached by phone at 605-642-6540.

    See you all in beautiful Spearfish!!


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From jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu  Sat Apr 27 14:53:00 2002
From: jpboyle at midway.uchicago.edu (John Boyle)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:53:00 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
In-Reply-To: <000a01c1d2c2$3bbfd2c0$929ff0c7@rcarter>
Message-ID: <SAT.27.APR.2002.095300.0500.>

Hi All,

Just a little research on prices and such.  Does anyone have any preferences?

John Boyle


>
>
>     Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)

Single	$ 55.00
Double	$ 60.00
Pool	yes
Restaurant no
	Hours --
Bar no
	Hours --

--------------------------------------------
>     Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)


Single	$ 59.00 or $53.00 (with AAA discount)
Double	$ 69.00  or $63.00 (with AAA discount)
Pool	yes + hot tub
Restaurant - next door
	Hours 24 hours
Bar no
	Hours --

-------------------------------------------
>     Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)



Single	$ 69.99
Double	$ 69.99
Pool	yes (the largest in Spearfish!) + hot tub
Restaurant yes
	Hours 6:00 PM - 2:00 PM/ 5:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Bar	yes
	Hours 4:00 PM - 11:00 PM

>     Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)



Single	$ 69.00
Double	$ 79.00
Pool	yes + hot tub
Restaurant no (across street there is an Applebee's)
	Hours --
Bar	no
	Hours --

>
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From cqcqcq at pgtv.net  Sat Apr 27 15:54:08 2002
From: cqcqcq at pgtv.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:54:08 -0500
Subject: SCALC 2002
Message-ID: <SAT.27.APR.2002.105408.0500.>

Re: SCALC 2002John, thanks for your hotel research.  I'd vote for the Kelly Inn, since it seems to have the best prices for a single (with AAA, which I have), pool and hot tub and 24 hour restaurant next door.  But I'd go along with whatever others decide.  I plan to rent a car, so would be able to offer a ride to anyone who wants.
Carolyn
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Boyle 
  To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:53 AM
  Subject: Re: SCALC 2002


  Hi All,


  Just a little research on prices and such.  Does anyone have any preferences?


  John Boyle







        Best Western Downtown    605-642-4676    (about 1/4 mile away)

  Single  $ 55.00
  Double  $ 60.00
  Pool    yes
  Restaurant no
          Hours --
  Bar no
          Hours --


  --------------------------------------------
        Kelly Inn    605-642-7795    (about a mile away)



  Single  $ 59.00 or $53.00 (with AAA discount)
  Double  $ 69.00  or $63.00 (with AAA discount)
  Pool    yes + hot tub
  Restaurant - next door
          Hours 24 hours
  Bar no
          Hours --

  -------------------------------------------
        Holiday Inn    800-999-3541    (not easily walkable)




  Single  $ 69.99
  Double  $ 69.99
  Pool    yes (the largest in Spearfish!) + hot tub
  Restaurant yes
          Hours 6:00 PM - 2:00 PM/ 5:00 PM - 9:00 PM
  Bar     yes
          Hours 4:00 PM - 11:00 PM


        Comfort Inn    605-642-2337    (not easily walkable)




  Single  $ 69.00
  Double  $ 79.00
  Pool    yes + hot tub
  Restaurant no (across street there is an Applebee's)
          Hours --
  Bar     no
          Hours --




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From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Mon Apr 29 02:11:51 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:11:51 -0600
Subject: Reviused Address for Dryer's OP Concordances
Message-ID: <SUN.28.APR.2002.201151.0600.>

Siouanists interested in consulting the concordances Matthew Dryver made
for Ardis Eschenberg from the Siouan Archives Dorsey texts should now see:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/linguistics/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/omaha.conc.sit
.../omaha.conc.rev.sit
.../omaha.conc.engl.sit

His description:

>Concordances of Dorsey's Omaha Texts
>
>These concordances are meant to be looked at on one's computer screen.
>They are far too long to print out.  (If you tried, they would be over
>20,000 pages.)
>
>There are three concordances, the main one (Omaha, alphabetical), the
>reverse Omaha one, and the English-based one.  Each concordance contains
>20 or more documents, one for each letter.  Each concordance also
contains
>an additional document with the suffix "list" (before the .rtf suffix)
>which is a list of all the words in the order they occur in that
>concordance and their frequency in the Dorsey texts.
>
>They are all RTF documents.  Except for the list documents, they must be
>opened from within Microsoft Word on a Mac.  I don't know if this is also
>necessary in Windows.  The choice of nonstandard characters is based on
>what seems to work in Windows (the accent mark does not come out right on
>a Mac).  A tilde using its own space is used for the nasalization symbol.
>
>There are three StuffIt documents, one for each of the three
concourdance.
>Each will expland into a folder containing the 20 or more documents
making
>up that concordance.  Each of the three StuffIt documents is about 4MB.
>When unstuffed, these three concordances require a total of about 80MB of
>hard disk space.
>
>The three concordances are at the following URL's:

Where to get StuffIt, a program that can handle sit archives:

> You can get a StuffIt unstuffer for dealing with the concordance SIT
> archives at http://www.stuffit.com/expander/index.html.  Do a custom
> install and only install the expander.  Don't let it handle files with
> other extensions unless you want to use it instead of whatever
> unzippers, etc., you already use.


From bi1 at soas.ac.uk  Mon Apr 29 10:40:14 2002
From: bi1 at soas.ac.uk (bi1 at soas.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:40:14 +0100
Subject: SCALC 2002
In-Reply-To: <001001c1ed6b$978a6e80$0e15460a@direcpc.com>
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From John.Koontz at colorado.edu  Tue Apr 30 13:51:47 2002
From: John.Koontz at colorado.edu (Koontz John E)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:51:47 -0600
Subject: Reviused Address for Dryer's OP Concordances
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0204281850240.23619-100000@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.30.APR.2002.075147.0600.>

On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Koontz John E wrote:

> Siouanists interested in consulting the concordances Matthew Dryver made
> for Ardis Eschenberg ...

Correction:  it's Dryer.


From strechter at csuchico.edu  Tue Apr 30 21:42:00 2002
From: strechter at csuchico.edu (Trechter, Sara)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:42:00 -0700
Subject: Revised Address for Dryer's OP Concordances
Message-ID: <TUE.30.APR.2002.144200.0700.>

Hi, these are a great resource.  I just tried downloading the concordances,
and was sent to this address:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/omaha.conc.sit


sara