andative

[Marianne Mithun]

Dear David,

I've seen the term 'andative' to mean 'go and ...' so much for so many
languages that I'm quite surprised that the editor hasn't heard of it.
It's probably that we all become the most familiar with the terms that
cover the categories of languages we look at the most. This term sometimes
has a counterpart 'come and ...' that is called a 'venitive'.

If it would help to have an example to point to, I just pulled this off
the shelf:

Mithun, Marianne 2001. Actualization patterns in grammaticalization: from
clause to locative morphology in Northern Iroquoian. _Actualization:
Linguistic Change in Progress_. Henning Andersen, ed. 143-168. Amsterdam:
John Benjamins. (There's an example on page 147m example (6)b.)


Best,

Marianne


On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, David Costa wrote:

>
> Wally:
>
> Thanks for this informative response. I personally think 'andative' is
> indeed a legitimate name for the Shawnee preverb I'm describing in my
> article, but the editor of the volume seems not to have heard of the term
> before, and wants me to provide some reference to prove that it's a real
> term and that I'm using it the right way. Do you happen to know of a
> published source on an Iroquoian language where this morpheme is actually
> *called* an andative, and where it's stated that it means something like 'go
> and do X' or 'go X'?
>
> thanks much,
>
> Dave Costa
>
> ----------
> >From: Wallace Chafe <chafe at linguistics.ucsb.edu>
> >To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
> >Cc: mithun at linguistics.ucsb.edu
> >Subject: Re: andative
> >Date: Tue, Jun 4, 2002, 10:12 am
> >
>
> > Dear Siouanists and David Costa,
> >
> > I found this discussion of the term andative very interesting. The Northern
> > Iroquoian languages have a not uncommon suffix that means to go somewhere
> > and do something, quite parallel to the meaning we get in English with go
> > fishing, go bowling, etc. In my 1967 Seneca Morphology and Dictionary I
> > called it the transient suffix, but wasn't happy with that. Later some of us
> > called it the dislocative, but I didn't like that much either. Then, I
> > believe at SSILA meetings, I heard other people using the term andative for
> > quite the same meaning in other languages. I seem to remember Catherine
> > Callaghan, among others, doing that, although I could be wrong. I started
> > telling other Iroquoianists that we ought to be using that term because it
> > was what everybody else was doing. Now I'm very surprised to hear that it
> > isn't so familiar to others after all. Does that mean that Siouanists and
> > Algonquianists are out of touch, or that I am? I'm wondering if I should
> > apologize to other Iroquoianists for telling them this had become a standard
> > term for this kind of meaning, which I believe is very common among the
> > languages of the world. It's certainly a meaning that needs a name, I
> > thought it had one, but should we all go back to start???
> >
> > Wally Chafe
> >
> >
>