A little more haplology.

[Carolyn Quintero]

Two okies here say Ardis' examples are fine, too.
Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu]On Behalf Of Ardis R Eschenberg
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:14 PM
To: Siouan
Subject: RE: A little more haplology.


It always lightnings before it thunders.  I saw it lightning.  It
lightninged twice before it thundered last night.

Yup, just fine.  (southern NY)
-Ardis



On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Shannon West wrote:

> Just to throw a little Canadian English into this, "I saw it lightning" is
> fine, but "I saw the lightning", is better. Both "It lightnings before
there
> is thunder" or "It lightninged twice last night" are find for me too. But
> again, I prefer it with nouns. It's one of those things where I'd say it,
> but never write it. :)
>
> Shannon
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
> > [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu]On Behalf Of Pamela Munro
> > Sent: January 13, 2003 11:39 AM
> > To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
> > Subject: Re: A little more haplology.
> >
> >
> > No, certainly not. This is (for me) the only form that works that
> > looks verbal  I assume it is in fact related to the verb
> > "lighten", which I am not too fond of either (in this meaning).
> > Actually, though, it's a totally defective paradigm, since
> > although "It's lightning out" seems ok, "I saw it lightning,"
> > which ought to be fine if it's an ordinary participle, is not.
> >
> > Pam
> >
> >
> >
> > "R. Rankin" wrote:
> >
> > > Yowsah.  But can U say "It's thunder out."  I can't.
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Pamela Munro <munro at ucla.edu>
> > > To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: A little more haplology.
> > >
> > > > I would only accept "It's lightning out" as haplology from
> > speakers for whom "to lightning" is a verb. It certainly isn't in
> > my speech. Can you guys all say "It lightnings before there is
> > thunder" or "It lightninged twice last night"? Surely if
> > > > "lightning" is a verb we should be able to. (I understand
> > that this must be true for Bob!)
> > > >
> > > > Pam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "R. Rankin" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, my point is that we all ARE making such judgments.
> > You and Catherine have examples of haplology apparently, and that
> > is one of the standard responses.  I have polled students and
> > "it's lightning out" is probably the most common response.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pamela Munro
> > Professor
> > Department of Linguistics
> > UCLA Box 951543
> > Los Angeles Ca 90095-1543
> > http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/linguistics/people/munro/munro.htm
> >
> >
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