horse paper

[David Costa]

Not sure what you mean by 'same source'; they both contain PA */elen-/
'ordinary, real'. However, they contain different finals: Illinois
/irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks one's language' contains /-(i)wee-/,
a 'by speech' final, while Illinois /ireniwa/ 'man' (< PA */elenyiwa/)
appears to be a very old construction meaning something like 'real being,
ordinary being'.

Dave


Thanks for the clarification, I missed the article (looking for it today),
it does appear,  though, that  they both connect back to same source?

Alan K


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Looks like our thoughts overlapped here...

Actually, I published an article that discussed the name 'Illinois' 4 years
ago (Miami-Illinois Tribe Names. Papers of the 31st Algonquian Conference,
pp. 30-53. {2000}). The name 'Illinois' does not come from the Illinois word
for 'man', /ireniwa/. In fact, it comes from French, which borrowed it from
the old Ojibwe name for the Illinois, /ilinwe/, pl. /ilinwek/. This in turn
is an Ojibwe borrowing from Illinois /irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks
in the regular way'. If you want to read my full argumentation for this
etymology, it's on page 46-47 of the article.

Dave


> That brings to mind the Proto_Algonquin term for " ordinary or even
> original, or plain ( =real) *eleni-" which shows as "leni-" below,  it
> appears also in PA (Bloomfield) *eleneq$ipa  "mallard duck" and perhaps
> in *elenyiwa "man" (which is the source of the ethnonym "Illinois").
>
> Alan K

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