Cranberries (Re: ho 'circle')

[R. Rankin]

Just to muddy the waters a bit more, bear in mind that the Ocean Spray cranberry
company has a big, big operation right up there around Wisconsin Rapids near
Marshfield, WI.  So that particular *ho: is just as tempting. . . .

----- Original Message -----
> While we're reetymologizing the Hochanks, I seem to remember that you
> yourself discovered Winnebago hoochake 'cranberry' (details of form may
> not be correctly remembered).  Of course, that lacks the nasal, and the
> presence of final -e suggests *ho(o) thah-ka for that form instead of
> *ho(o) htaN-ka.

> I hadn't worried too much about the "extra" -k in Hooc^aNk, because there
> are some cases of c^aN < *htaN - right? - even if xaN... forms seem to be
> the rule for 'big' in Winnebago-Chiwere.  But I guess technically, the -k
> might be otherwise unprecedented in (modern) HochaNk.

It's not so much an "extra K" that bothers me as much as the lack of the
expected vowel on the end.  All WI *ht become c^ (the only real "t", actually
[d], in WI is from *R).  The same is true for plain *t in final position.  So
we're no worse off here than we are with the etymology of baxoje 'Ioway', but
that's not saying a lot.

Bob