DPs and Demonstratives

[Rankin, Robert L]

Dhegiha languages also permit both patterns:
 
DEM N - DET             and
N DEM-DET
 
In the second instance the determiner bonds to the demonstrative as a single phonological word.  Ye-akha, $e-akha, etc. so I've always asssumed they are rather tightly bound syntactically.  The preposed DEMs are definitely distinct words.
 
Bob

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From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of jpboyle at uchicago.edu
Sent: Mon 2/20/2006 2:45 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: DPs and Demonstratives



Thanks Bryan.  I'm not really sure that demonstrative is the right name for these
things to either. Given what Jan said about Lakota being able to have both:

1) Demonstrative Noun Determiner

2) Noun Demonstrative Determiner

we may want to assume your right and the structure is:

         DP
           !
           D'
         /   !
       NP   D
       / !
 DEM  N'
           !
           N

Where DEM can either proceed or follow N.  Thus, it would c-command N but
not D. Would this give us a better analysis?  Jan, what is the difference between
the word orders in (1) and (2)?

Thanks,

John Boyle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:15:59 -0600
>From: "Bryan Gordon" <linguista at gmail.com> 
>Subject: Re: DPs and Demonstratives 
>To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
>
>   Personally, I'm sceptical of the designation
>   "demonstrative" in general. It
>   seems to be used to ascribe both deictic capacity
>   and the syntactic
>   behaviour of determiners under the same category -
>   which is clearly NOT
>   appropriate for Siouan. Is it possible that Siouan
>   deictics don't c-command
>   D at all, but are contained within NP?
>
>   - Bryan Gordon
>
>   On 2/20/06, jpboyle at uchicago.edu
>   <jpboyle at uchicago.edu > wrote:
>
>     Hi All,
>
>     I am just looking at noun phrases that have both a
>     determiner and a
>     demonstrative.  I was wondering if anyone else has
>     looked at these besides
>     Randy and Catherine (who should of course feel
>     obligated to reply to this e-mail
>     anyway).  In Missouri Valley the structure is:
>
>     Demonstrative Noun-Determiner
>
>     I think this is true for other Siouan languages as
>     well, correct? Has anyone
>     thought about how to analyze these constructions
>     (specifically in an X'bar
>     framework)?  Are they DPs that have a
>     demonstrative phrase (DemP) in SPEC and
>     an NP complement (as in 1)?
>
>     1) [[Dem P [NP ]]DP]
>
>                 DP
>                 / !
>       DemP   D'
>                 /  !
>              NP  D
>
>     This would make it all left branching, which is
>     what we would assume, right?
>
>     Or are they DemPs that take a DP Complement that
>     then take an NP complement
>     (as in 2)?
>
>     2 [Dem P [[NP DP]]]
>
>               DemP
>                   !
>               Dem'
>                 /  !
>          Dem  DP
>                     !
>                     D'
>                    / !
>                 NP D
>
>     This structure would be both right branching and
>     left branching (possible but
>     not as pretty).  Is there any evidence for either
>     analysis?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     John Boyle