Awicakeya, le oie tokiyatanhan hiyu ca slolye wacanmi yelo!

[shokooh Ingham]

Dear Clive
Nice to find another Lakota enthusiast.  I had better
reply before anyone else does.  The word you mentioned
Itooicacu which i have in the dictionary I have from
Buechel, but I must say that I almost didn't include
it in the dictionary.  Initially when I strted
compiling the dictionary, I only put a word in If I
could be sure of its derivation.  Later however I
began to think that in a dictionary "the more the
merrier", also who was I to judge if a word was
genuine or not.  So it went in, but I was never very
confident about it and since then I have never managed
to elicit it from anyone as a word for camera.  The
word I did get was iteicu, the derivation of wich is
plain.  Possibly the first word should be iteoicacu or
iteoicu.  I really am not sure.  It may as you say be
a legendary self perpetuating typo.   Anyway welcome
to the club

Bruce
--- Clive Bloomfield <cbloom at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Hello folks, This is my first posting here, so I am
> feeling a little  
> diffident. For the past three years now, I have
> been, amongst other  
> pursuits, an Australian self-taught (hélas!) student
> of Lakotaiyapi,  
> (mostly using S.R. Riggs's Dakota Grammar (1893);
> E.C. Deloria's  
> Dakota Texts (1932); Boas & Deloria (1939); Fr. E.
> Buchel's Grammar  
> of Teton Lakota (1939); Prof. B. Ingham's (Lincom
> Europa) "Lakota"  
> monograph of 2003, and whatever other authoritative
> sources from  
> IJAL, etc, I can lay my hands on.)  At times one
> does feel like the  
> proverbial client who had engaged himself for a
> lawyer! :) I've been  
> a fascinated member of this list since February, and
> have been  
> content to be still, and read & learn from the
> experts. But on this  
> occasion I fear, curiosity has momentarily
> emboldened me! :( I am  
> greatly perplexed about the precise etymology, (if
> known) of the  
> Lakota word for "camera", given by Professor Ingham
> in his E.-L.  
> Dict. (2001) as : "itooicacu", and by
> Buechel-Manhart (2002) as both  
> "itooicacu" & "itocicacu" [DAR applies]. I am not
> concerned about  
> variants here, but I am unspeakably curious about
> this words  
> derivation : how to account for both "o's" in the
> first version of  
> the word? (one being a locative affix, one
> presumes); where does the  
> first "c" in that second version hail from?   I
> understand that the  
> "e" of "ite" [face] has been elided before the first
> "-o-", as  
> in ,for instance, "itowapi<iteowapi" [picture;
> photograph; portrait].  
> Is the verbal root "icu" to take", I wonder? I
> suspect not. But if it  
> is so, how to account for "-ica-"? Might there
> perhaps be some degree  
> of "ikceya-woglakapi" contraction happening here?
> Could that "-ica-"  
> conceivably be "-wica-"? I will spare you any more
> of my own  
> speculations, but I would dearly appreciate any
> etymologically  
> deconstructive illumination of this puzzling word,
> from any scholar  
> or knowledgable person who can spare the time! :-).
> Thank you for  
> allowing me to participate!  Toksa ake mitakuyepi,
> Clive Bloomfield  
> of Melbourne,  
> Australia.                                          
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>        P.S. Some  
> years ago I completed formal tertiary studies of
> Ancient Greek &  
> Latin languages & literatures. I also have a
> reasonable (working  
> reading/writing) knowledge of Finnish, Hungarian &
> Modern Turkish,  
> and being part of the Irish diaspora, have acquired
> sufficient  
> Gaeilge over the years to speak the language to some
> degree, read  
> fluently, and teach it passably. Hope that does not
> seem too much  
> like "bravado" or "puffery" - I just felt that it
> was germane to a  
> self-intro. to professional linguists & scholars. I
> am very aware of  
> that proverb on self-praise! You should see the list
> of languages of  
> which I am a total ignoremus! :-))  P.P.S. Might
> "itocicacu" be one  
> of those legendary long-perpetuated typos [ first
> "c" for poorly  
> written "o"??]
> 



		
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