HAVE PITY

[Jimm GoodTracks]

Thank You, Iren, for your detailed reply, which I am printing out for future reference.

You have validated my thoughts that the citation for 3PP,   [hínnat^údanwi] is indeed incorrect.  And further, that my proposed proper conjugation for 3PP is indeed the appropriate one.  

If it were Hocank, I would interpret the form [nat^+(hin)+udán +wi] as either 1st plural inclusive actor = 'we (incl) take pity on him' or as a 1st person exclusive undergoer plural = 'S/he takes pity on us'.



I have found instances of this pattern of infixed conjugation of compound word or word phrases have changed during the usage of late Elders, who spoke IOM as their first language.  Evidence suggest that the infixed conjugations were historical, and continue appropriate usage unto these contemporary times.  However, as I say, I've found some exceptions which I discussed with Bob and John in the past.  They suggested that when I come upon such exceptions, to make note of them along with the actual citation of the speaker.  I do not attempt any explanation of found exceptions, be it the influence of English, or natural linguistic evolution.



Thank you again for your thorough and detailed reply.  Indeed the complete Hochank listing of forms has been a help.

Jimm  


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Iren Hartmann 
  To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu 
  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: HAVE PITY


  Jimm,

   

  I'm currently working on the HocakLex. Some of these old Radin forms you found are not quite complete. There are two different forms of this verb in Hocank: naac hoja & naac hiroja, the former, however, seems to be the more frequently used one. It is inflected as follows:

   

         
        
       singular
       plural
       
        1st person Actor
       exclusive
       naac waaja

        /naac ho<ha>ja/
       naac waajawi

        /naac ho<ha>ja-wi/ 
       
        inclusive
       naac huuja 

        /naac hi-hoja/ (dual)
       naac huujawi

        /naac hi-hoja-wi/
       
        2nd person Actor
        
       naac horaja 

        /naac ho<ra>ja/
       naac horajawi

        /naac ho<ra>ja-wi/
       
        3rd person Actor
        
       naac hooja
       naac hoojaire 

        naac hooja-ire
       

   

         
        
       singular
       plural
       
        1st person Undergoer
       exclusive
       naac huuja

        /naac ho<hi>ja/
       naac huujawi

        /naac ho<hi>ja-wi/
       
        inclusive
       naac waagoja 

        /naac waaga-hoja/ (dual)
       naac waagojawi 

        /naac waaga-hoja-wi/
       
        2nd person Undergoer
        
       naac honija 

        /naac ho<ni>ja/
       naac honijawi

        /naac ho<ni>ja-wi/
       
        3rd person Undergoer
        
       naac hooja 
       naac wooja

        /naac wa-hoja/
       

   

  The following sentences were found in the example database and text corpus:

   

  Naac wowaaja.

  /naac wa-ho<ha>ja/

  OBJ.3PL-<1E.A>take.pity.on

  'I blessed them.'

   

  Naac horakija?

  / naac_ho<ra-kii>ja/

  <2.A-RFL>take.pity.on

  'Did you feel sorry for yourself?'

   

  Naac huugijaiine.

  /naac_ho<hi-gi>ja-ire/

  <1E.U-APPL.BEN>take.pity.on-SBJ.3PL

  'They took pity on me/blessed me.'

   

  Zige naac    huunagijawi

  /zige       naac_ ho<hi-ra-gi>ja-wi  /

  again      <1E.U-2.A-APPL.BEN>take.pity.on-PL 

  'You blessed us again.'

   

  Naac wooragijagi niigíta.

  /naac_wa-ho<ra-gi>ja-gi                                                 nii-gita/

  OBJ.3PL-<2.A-APPL.BEN>take.pity.on-TOP             1&2-ask.from

  'I ask you to bless them.'

   

  If it were Hocank, I would interpret the form [nat^+(hin)+udán +wi] as either 1st plural inclusive actor = 'we (incl) take pity on him' or as a 1st person exclusive undergoer plural = 'S/he takes pity on us'.

  However, it looks like Ioway-Otoe inflects this verb differently. The 1st person actor (inclusive?) inflection seems to be prefixed to natc (as in: [hínnat^údanwi]), whereas in Hocank it is prefixed to hoja.

  Maybe the complete list of Hocank forms is of help to you anyway?

   

  Best,

  Iren



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