From okibjonathan at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 10:49:47 2007 From: okibjonathan at yahoo.com (Jonathan Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:49:47 -0800 Subject: Fwd: [Anthropology] Native American Language Conference Message-ID: CaveTank at aol.com wrote: From: CaveTank at aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:45:24 EST To: anthropology at listserv.nku.edu Subject: [Anthropology] Native American Language Conference Guardians of Language, Memory, and Lifeways Sheraton Hotel - Downtown - Oklahoma City Tuesday, October 23 through Thursday, October 25 Pre-conference sessions will be held on Monday, October 22 Registration Fees $200.00 before July 31, 2007 $250.00 from August 1 - Sept. 30, 2007 $275 after October 1, 2007 Registration Fees include: All Conference Programs Exhibit Hall Access Breakfast, lunch, refreshments Pre-Conferences have separate registration fees. 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URL: From goodtracks at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 7 22:34:19 2007 From: goodtracks at peoplepc.com (goodtracks at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:34:19 -0600 Subject: Fw: Susmann records Message-ID: >>From Nancy Lurie in reply to Johannes' question about the whereabouts of Susmann's materials on the Winnebago/ Hochank Gute Glück. jgt ----- Original Message ----- From: Luri at aol.com To: goodtracks at peoplepc.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Susmann records I don't know where the materials are but have a couple possible leads. First, she did her Ph.D. at Columbia University and I think her major Prof. was George Herzog. That would seem a logical starting place. Then, it is possible the materials got archived at the National Anthropological Archives at the Natural History Building of the Smithsonian Institution. The NAA is headed by Robert Leopold. FAX 301 238 2883; leopold at mnh.si.edu. Inquiries might also be directed to the Society for Linguistic Anthropology which is a Section of the American Anthropological Association, 2200 Wilson Blvd., Suite 600, Arlington, VA 22201-3357. The current representative from the SLA on the AAA Board is Monica S. Heller, University of Toronto, mheller at oise.utoronto.ca. The Hochunk in Wisconsin at one point had a project to obtain copies of EVERYTHING written about the Hochunk but I don't know what became of that. I wonder, however, if anyone has contacted the Culture and History Office of the Hochunk Nation at Black River Falls or its equivalent at Winnebago, Nebraska. As I recall virtually all of Susmann's work was based on work with Sam Blowsnake, AKA Sam Carly whose autobiography Radin published under the title, Crashing Thunder. Hope something helpful emerges from this. Cheers, Nancy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Mon Jan 8 13:18:32 2007 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:32 +0100 Subject: Hocank texts and recordings by Amelia Susman (1943) In-Reply-To: <000a01c732ab$ff7bfa60$9016133f@JIMM> Message-ID: Dear Siouanists, I thank Randy Graczyk, Bob Rankin, Jimm Goodtracks, and Nancy Lurie for the valuable hints with regard to my search for the Susman recodings and materials on Hocank/Winnebago. I will try them all and see what I can find. I promise to post a short summary of the results on the Siouan List. All the best for the New Year to all of you Johannes -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Universität Regensburg Institut für Medien-, Informations- und Kulturwissenschaft (IMIK) Universitätsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Tel.: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekr. Frau Stitz) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de From marino at skyway.usask.ca Mon Jan 8 17:28:55 2007 From: marino at skyway.usask.ca (Marino) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:28:55 -0600 Subject: dates for SCLC 2007 Message-ID: Randy has asked me to provide this information on the List: >The Canadian Linguistics Association dates are 26-29 May, during the >Congress of Learned Societies, which goes on for about 2 weeks. Other >dates would be possible for SCLC in Saskatoon, but the possibility of >attending the CLA meeting as well as SCLC was what prompted me to suggest >Saskatoon as our venue for 2007. Mary Marino From rankin at ku.edu Fri Jan 12 16:34:15 2007 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:34:15 -0600 Subject: FW: NAS position at Montana State University Message-ID: >Please find below the link to the position description and application >information for one, possibly two, tenure-track positions in the Native >American Studies Department at Montana State University (Bozeman). We >humbly beg you to help us get this information spread far and wide so >please pass this along. We are particularly interested in individuals >who can teach NAS Theory and Research Methodologies and who have >experience (or interest) in distance delivery. > >Position Description: >http://www.montana.edu/cgi-bin/msuinfo/fpview/f/7342-2\ > >Interested individuals may visit the NAS department's website: >http://www.montana.edu/wwwnas/ > >I know that many of you have had recent success hiring Native American >Studies faculty, so any suggestions for organizations, listserves, and >other outlets for advertisement purposes would also >be greatly appreciated. If you know of any such places that we >need to contact, please reply to me at wfleming at montana.edu. > >Thanks and wishing you a successful New Year (007, "the Year of the >Spy") > >Walter >///////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >Walter C. Fleming. Ph. D. >Native American Studies Department >Department Head and Professor >Montana State University >2-178 Wilson Hall >POB 172340 >Bozeman, MT 59717-2340 > >e-mail address: wfleming at montana.edu >Office Phone #: 406.994.5260 >FAX: 406.994.6879 >http://www.montana.edu/wwwnas/ > -- ][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][ Dwight Youpee, Student Affairs Officer UCLA American Indian Studies (310) 206-7511 http://www.aisc.ucla.edu ------ End of Forwarded Message From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 14 21:05:39 2007 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:05:39 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Sun Jan 14 23:01:30 2007 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:01:30 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. From karennewood at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 00:30:27 2007 From: karennewood at yahoo.com (Karenne Wood) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:30:27 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, Just a guess. The Tutelo-Monacan-Mannahoac Siouan speakers played a two-stick form of lacrosse, a violent version played by other Mississipian tribes that evolved into the one-stick lacrosse played by Haudenosuanee peoples. It's worth a thought that the Biloxi played something similar, given the linguistic and spiritual similarities. Only a theory. Karenne Wood (Monacan), Ford Fellow University of Virginia PhD candidate, linguistic anthropology "Rankin, Robert L" wrote:Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kdshea at ku.edu Mon Jan 15 07:54:12 2007 From: kdshea at ku.edu (Kathleen Shea) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:54:12 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 16:36:15 2007 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:36:15 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: <002801c7387a$59773a60$ab09ed81@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: I found a Wikipedia article on Native American stickball: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickball_%28Native_American%29 I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between stickball and shinny. (There is also a Wikipedia article on shinny but it describes it as coming from Scotland.) According to the Wikipedia article, stickball is still played on the Choctaw res in Mississippi. There is also a Catlin painting of a Choctaw stickball game from the 1830s. One of the Biloxi texts talks about a ball game, but there are no details of how it was played. But seeing as how there is a text mentioning a ballgame (and the text just happens to be about how the sun got up in the sky!) I suspect that the game is VERY ancient. Thanks. Dave Kathleen Shea wrote: The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob --------------------------------- From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Mon Jan 15 15:27:51 2007 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:27:51 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: <809258.46388.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One of Two Hohokam Ball Courts, Snaketown, Arizona Circa AD600-900 Readers’ Digest America’s Fascinating Indian Heritage copyright 1978 Karenne Wood Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu 01/14/2007 06:30 PM Please respond to siouan at lists.colorado.edu To siouan at lists.colorado.edu cc Subject RE: Biloxi ball game Hi all, Just a guess. The Tutelo-Monacan-Mannahoac Siouan speakers played a two-stick form of lacrosse, a violent version played by other Mississipian tribes that evolved into the one-stick lacrosse played by Haudenosuanee peoples. It's worth a thought that the Biloxi played something similar, given the linguistic and spiritual similarities. Only a theory. Karenne Wood (Monacan), Ford Fellow University of Virginia PhD candidate, linguistic anthropology "Rankin, Robert L" wrote: Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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La Flesche p. 171: ohkíce LF orig. a goal, the goals in the game of shinny kaçíni N shinny, a team ball game played with a buckskin ball and sticks on a field with goals at opposite ends (kas^i'ni) Carolyn Quintero _____ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Shea Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:54 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:rankin at ku.edu"Rankin, Robert L To: HYPERLINK "mailto:siouan at lists.colorado.edu"siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob _____ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu"owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave _____ Don't get soaked. Take aHYPERLINK "http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news" quick peak at the forecast with theHYPERLINK "http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news"Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 03:18:02 2007 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:18:02 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for this, Mark! Sounds like the Hohokam game could have been similar to the Maya. Dave Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: One of Two Hohokam Ball Courts, Snaketown, Arizona Circa AD600-900 Readers’ Digest America’s Fascinating Indian Heritage copyright 1978 Karenne Wood Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu 01/14/2007 06:30 PM Please respond to siouan at lists.colorado.edu To siouan at lists.colorado.edu cc Subject RE: Biloxi ball game Hi all, Just a guess. The Tutelo-Monacan-Mannahoac Siouan speakers played a two-stick form of lacrosse, a violent version played by other Mississipian tribes that evolved into the one-stick lacrosse played by Haudenosuanee peoples. It's worth a thought that the Biloxi played something similar, given the linguistic and spiritual similarities. Only a theory. Karenne Wood (Monacan), Ford Fellow University of Virginia PhD candidate, linguistic anthropology "Rankin, Robert L" wrote: Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 287542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kdshea at ku.edu Tue Jan 16 07:48:39 2007 From: kdshea at ku.edu (Kathleen Shea) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:48:39 -0600 Subject: Fw: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: For some reason this got sent to Carolyn alone instead of to the whole list. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen Shea To: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game The name for shinny (game) in Ponca is ttabe'gasi (' is accents the preceding syllable here), rendered "hitting that ball" by my consultant: ttabe' 'ball,' gasi 'to hit, hitting.' James Howard in _The Ponca Tribe_ (p. 126) describes the ball and how it's made--out of deerskin and stuffed with horsehair, with certain traditional markings on it. I've never seen one up close, even though I've watched games. It's about the size of a football, but more spherical. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Quintero To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game From the last Osage speaker that I consulted with: ohkíce N 1 goal, 2 the curved stick used to play kaçíni 'shinny' (03/23/95/FH/pc) . This stick is for hitting the ball made out of buckskin in the game of shinny which was declining in popularity in the early 20th century, circa 1916. La Flesche p. 171: ohkíce LF orig. a goal, the goals in the game of shinny kaçíni N shinny, a team ball game played with a buckskin ball and sticks on a field with goals at opposite ends (kas^i'ni) Carolyn Quintero ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Shea Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:54 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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The Kaws and Osages put up a good fight, but in the end, the Poncas and Otoes cleaned house...handily. Now that you mention it, though, it seems about time for a rematch! As for ball games, I was asked by a tribal member a few years back to find out what sort of traditional sports the Kaws played. I went through Bob's dictionary and compared words for games with the games described in Stewart Culin's "Games of the North American Indians" (©1975, Dover Publications, Inc., reprinted from the 24th annual BAE report, 1902-1903) as having been played by other Dhegiha tribes. I found about 16 games all together, but only three of them are what I'd call ball sports: ttabé bastáj^e (bola/double-ball) two teams of five female players use sticks to hurl small bola made of two balls fastened together toward goals; similar to shinny, which is played by males ttabé basíge (thrown ball) men and women compete together in game like shinny, but ball is thrown instead of batted/hurled with sticks ttabé gasü´ (shinny) two teams of male players compete--often violently--for goals in stick-and-ball game similar to field hockey I seem to recall having seen a women's double-ball fairly recently in a museum, although I cannot for the life of me recall where. It might have been at NMAI in Washington, D.C., or at the Sam Noble Oklahoma Museum of Natural History in Norman, OK. At any rate, I also seem to think that it might have been labeled as being Otoe or Ioway. But, given the state of my memory, I could be very, very wrong about this. -Justin From kdshea at ku.edu Sat Jan 20 06:27:11 2007 From: kdshea at ku.edu (Kathleen Shea) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:27:11 -0600 Subject: Hocank texts and recordings by Amelia Susman (1943) Message-ID: Dear Johannes, I think I've found what you want. I happen to have a copy of a catalogue published by the Indiana University, Bloomington, Archives of Traditional Music, cited in another of their catalogues, _Early Field Recordings_ (1987), by Seeger and Spear: Lee, Dorothy Sara. _Native North American Music and Oral Data: A Catalogue of Sound Recordings 1893-1976_. Indiana University Press, 1979. This contains a listing of Native American materials on cylinders, discs, and magnetic tapes through 1976, with indexes. Indiana might have a more recent cataloguing system by now with newer catalogues, but the Lee catalogue has a typed listing for collectors Herzog, George & Susman, Amelia, with accession number pre'54-236-F and the following comments summarized by field: culture group, Winnebago; culture area, Northeast; earliest known date of recording, 1939; medium of recording, disc-78; degree of public access, restricted; 3.5 hours; quality good; ATL number (the identification number for listening copies in the Archives Tape Library), 414-420; documentataion adequate; subject descriptions for songs--arrow, buffalo dance, ceremonial-night spirit, curing, folktale, flute, green corn dance, heruska, love, magic, medicine, medicine dance, Menomini, moccasin, morning, otter skin, peyote, shoot each other, soldier sun, victory dance, vision, war, water drum. I wonder if nowadays it might be possible to search online through the Archives' field collection holdings. I hope this helps. Kathy Shea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johannes Helmbrecht" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: Hocank texts and recordings by Amelia Susman (1943) > Dear Siouanists, > > Amelia Susmann mentions in the preface to her PhD Dissertation "The Accentual > System of Winnebago" (1943) that she had recorded "ritualistic and narrative > (Hocank) texts amounting to some fifteen thousand words" as well as a dozen of > "records on the phonograph" together with Dr. Herzog. Does anyone has an idea > whether these materials still exist somewhere, or where it makes sense to look > for in order to find them. Does anyone know who Dr. Herzog was? > > Every hint is wellcome - with my best wishes and seasonal greetings > > Johannes > > > -- > > Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht > Universität Regensburg > Institut für Medien-, Informations- > und Kulturwissenschaft (IMIK) > Universitätsstr. 31 > 93053 Regensburg > > Tel.: ++49(0)941 943-3388 > ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekr. Frau Stitz) > Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 > E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de > > > > From shenry74 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 23:22:35 2007 From: shenry74 at yahoo.com (Shane Henry) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:22:35 -0800 Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Greetings, my name is Travis and I'm working towards a Masters in Native American Studies at Montana State University. In my life, I've lived in three places within the territories of Siouan or Catawban peoples, including Lashmeet, West Virginia (Moneton Country), Greensboro, North Carolina (Cheraw Country) and now Bozeman, Montana (Crow Country). I'm gathering a list of names of the Native homelands of North America. It's available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Countries_of_North_America I would be glad for any help finding names for the Native countries of the Siouan and Catawban peoples in their own languages. Attested names are best, though invented ones would be fine too. For any invented names, I would mark on the list that they are invented. Ideally the names would be in the actual orthography used by the modern people (when such exist), rather than a phonetic transcription. I only know two Siouan country names: Apsáalooke Issawua : Crow Country : I got this one from Tim McCleary, Project Co-ordinator for the Crow Place-Names Project. Shouldn't "Issawua" have a stress mark though? Wazidja : Hotcâk (Winnebago) Country : Is this spelled right in the Hotcâk orthography? Should it be "Wazija"? Here are some invented Siouan country names. I make no claim to expertise in any of these languages. Feedback is welcome. In particular, I don't know which languages put the descriptive word first and which put it second. Also, I'm not sure which word to use: "land" or "country"(e.g. Dakota makhá or makhóche). The interpretation of "Monacan" and "Occaneechi" are from Speck's "Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas": http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7294%28193504%2F06%292%3A37%3A2%3C201%3ASTOTCA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-O Amai Amañuhkañ : Monacan Country : "Land-People Country" This name is based on the interpretation of Monacan as "People of the Land", making the name "Land of the Land People". Amai Mąnį/itʰą/ : Moneton Country : The reconstruction of the name is from the Southeast volume of the HNAI. How would it be spelled in regularized Tutelo/Virginia Siouan instead of phonetic notation? For all of the Virgina Siouan names, where do the stress marks go? Amai Yesañ : Tutelo Country Amai Yuhkañ-? : Occaneechi Country : If the first part of this name is Virginia Siouan yuhkañ 'man', what is the second part "-eechi"? Dakhóta Makhóche/Lakhóta Makhóche/Nakóda Mąkóce : Sioux Country : I'm not sure about the order - should it be "Sioux Country" or "Country Sioux"? Also, should the first words be clipped like in the following Assiniboine example? Nakón Mąkóce : Assiniboine Country The interptetation of the Catawban tribal names is based on Speck's "Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas". Since that publication, new interpretations of some of the names may have come to light. I used a colon to mark length and a "/" to mark stress in some cases. What is the proper spelling in regularized Catawba? Are all of these peoples thought to be Catawban? What about the other (likely) Catawban tribes, such as the Keyauwee? Mánu Katápa : Catawba Country : "Division Country" Mánu Í:nare : Eno Country : "Mean Country" Mánu Hiską/petę/'həre : Waxhaw Country: "Flat Head Country" Mánu I:swą/ti: : Santee Country Mánu Pi:/həre : Peedee Country : "Clever Country" Mánu ? : Saura Country : Are the speakers of the Saraw dialect of Catawba supposed to be descendents of the Saura? If so, what is the Saraw dialect version of "Saura Country"? Mánu Səwi:/həre : Sewee Country : "Playful Country" Mánu Sígri:həre : Sugeree Country : "Spoiled (River) Country" Mánu Kərą/həre : Congeree Country : "Deep (River) Country" Mánu Watərą/'həre : Wateree Country : "(River) Banks Washed Away Country" Thanks, Travis Henry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Tue Jan 30 01:21:05 2007 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:21:05 -0600 Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Hi Travis, > Here are some invented Siouan country names. . . . The interpretation of "Monacan" and "Occaneechi" are from Speck's "Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas": http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7294%28193504%2F06%292%3A37%3A2%3C201%3ASTOTCA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-O Amai Amañuhkañ : Monacan Country : "Land-People Country" This name is based on the interpretation of Monacan as "People of the Land", making the name "Land of the Land People". I'd have to say that it is unclear that the Monacans were Siouan-speaking. They may have been, but there is no attestation of the language. Amai Mani/it?a/ : Moneton Country : The reconstruction of the name is from the Southeast volume of the HNAI. How would it be spelled in regularized Tutelo/Virginia Siouan instead of phonetic notation? For all of the Virgina Siouan names, where do the stress marks go? This represents my work for Ives Goddard on this name. It is not so much a "reconstruction" as a simple interpretation of the spelling in phonetic characters. The name was parsed by the two gentlemen who discussed it in their travel journals. Mani is 'water' and ithan is 'big' (related to Dakota thanka, etc.) The "dephoneticized" way to write it would be "Moneton" or "Moniton". Accent should be on the second syllable of both words in the native language. In English it should be wherever you want it. Personally, I put it on the 1st syllable. The best current source on these S.E. tribal names and affiliations is the article by Ives Goddard in the journal "Anthropological Linguistics" about a year ago. The only tribal names in that part of the East that we can actually be certain are Siouan are Tutelo, Saponi, Moneton and, presumably, Occaneechee (in any of their several spellings). All others are speculative. The person to talk with about the Catawban names is Blair Rudes, who reads this list. Many of these names in the Carolinas are a matter of speculation also. Just because we can analyze a name using Catawba vocabulary doesn't mean it was the name of a Siouan or Catawban-speaking people. It may just mean that the Catawbas were the ones who named them to local explorers. Best of luck with your project. Bob Rankin From BARudes at aol.com Tue Jan 30 04:12:00 2007 From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:12:00 EST Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Hi Travis, In all the extant data from the Catawba language, I have found nothing that would qualify as what you call “country names.” The evidence from early narratives indicates that from earliest times, Catawba names such as Esaw (Ysa, Yssa), Catawba (Catapa, Cataba), Saraw (Xual(l)a, Joara), etc. were the names of towns, not the names of “countries.” As I noted in my article “Place Names of Cofitachequi” (Anthropological Linguistics 46.4 (2004):359-436), the only Catawban town name for which a relatively certain etymology can be proposed is Esaw (Ysa, Yssa) (from Catawba ‘i:suwaN’ ‘river’). With the exception of Esaw, Speck’s proposed analyses of purported Catawba names in his “Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas” are purely speculative. I discuss many of them in the “Place Names of Cofitachequi” article. The name Cofitachequi, which was the name applied by the Spaniards to the political entity and the territory in the Carolinas that included the towns of Ysa and Catapa, is of Muskogean origin and appears to have been given to the Spaniards by Muskogean speakers on the south side of the Savannah River. (See the article “Catawba and Its Neighbors” by Blair Rudes, Thomas Blumer, and J. Alan May in the Southeast volume of HNAI.) With respect to your questions “are all of these peoples thought to be Catawban?” and what about the other (likely) Catawban tribes, such as the Keyauwee?,” here is a quick summary of information that is discussed in greater detail in the previously referenced articles by Ives Goddard and me in Anthropological Lingusitics and in my co-authored chapter on the Catawba in the Southeast volume of HNAI. 1. There are good reasons to believe that the Eno, Shakori, Keyauwee, Waxhaw were not Catawban-speakers. 2. There is one piece of evidence, discussed in both Ives Goddard’s and my articles in Anthropological Lingusitics, to suggest that the Santee-Seretee were Catawban speakers. There is also circumstantial evidence suggesting that the Sewee were politically allied with the Santee-Seretee, which may also indicate a cultural-linguistic connection, although that is uncertain. 3. The relationship between the Saraw (Xual(l)a, Joara, Sauro) and the Cheraw (Chara) is complicated, but one or both of the groups apparently spoke a Catawban language/dialect. 4. The linguistic affiliations of the Pedee, Wateree, Congaree, and other historic towns of the Province of Cofitachequi are wholly unknown due to lack of data, although Catawban etymologies are possible for their names. As Bob noted, just because a Catawban etymology is possible for a town name, it does not mean the people in the village spoke a Catawban language. It may simply mean that it was speakers of a Catawban language who gave the name to the individuals who wrote it down. There are a few examples of Catawban names for non-Catawban peoples that might be considered “country names,” for example, the name M’aNturaN’ ‘Cherokee ’. However, the antiquity of such names, and their etymologies are uncertain. I hope this information is useful. Let me know if I can help you in any other way with your proejct. Best regards, Blair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shenry74 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 21:04:00 2007 From: shenry74 at yahoo.com (Shane Henry) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:04:00 -0800 Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback Bob and Blair. 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URL: From goodtracks at peoplepc.com Sun Jan 7 22:34:19 2007 From: goodtracks at peoplepc.com (goodtracks at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:34:19 -0600 Subject: Fw: Susmann records Message-ID: >>From Nancy Lurie in reply to Johannes' question about the whereabouts of Susmann's materials on the Winnebago/ Hochank Gute Gl?ck. jgt ----- Original Message ----- From: Luri at aol.com To: goodtracks at peoplepc.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Susmann records I don't know where the materials are but have a couple possible leads. First, she did her Ph.D. at Columbia University and I think her major Prof. was George Herzog. That would seem a logical starting place. Then, it is possible the materials got archived at the National Anthropological Archives at the Natural History Building of the Smithsonian Institution. The NAA is headed by Robert Leopold. FAX 301 238 2883; leopold at mnh.si.edu. Inquiries might also be directed to the Society for Linguistic Anthropology which is a Section of the American Anthropological Association, 2200 Wilson Blvd., Suite 600, Arlington, VA 22201-3357. The current representative from the SLA on the AAA Board is Monica S. Heller, University of Toronto, mheller at oise.utoronto.ca. The Hochunk in Wisconsin at one point had a project to obtain copies of EVERYTHING written about the Hochunk but I don't know what became of that. I wonder, however, if anyone has contacted the Culture and History Office of the Hochunk Nation at Black River Falls or its equivalent at Winnebago, Nebraska. As I recall virtually all of Susmann's work was based on work with Sam Blowsnake, AKA Sam Carly whose autobiography Radin published under the title, Crashing Thunder. Hope something helpful emerges from this. Cheers, Nancy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frau Stitz) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de From marino at skyway.usask.ca Mon Jan 8 17:28:55 2007 From: marino at skyway.usask.ca (Marino) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:28:55 -0600 Subject: dates for SCLC 2007 Message-ID: Randy has asked me to provide this information on the List: >The Canadian Linguistics Association dates are 26-29 May, during the >Congress of Learned Societies, which goes on for about 2 weeks. Other >dates would be possible for SCLC in Saskatoon, but the possibility of >attending the CLA meeting as well as SCLC was what prompted me to suggest >Saskatoon as our venue for 2007. Mary Marino From rankin at ku.edu Fri Jan 12 16:34:15 2007 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:34:15 -0600 Subject: FW: NAS position at Montana State University Message-ID: >Please find below the link to the position description and application >information for one, possibly two, tenure-track positions in the Native >American Studies Department at Montana State University (Bozeman). We >humbly beg you to help us get this information spread far and wide so >please pass this along. 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Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Sun Jan 14 23:01:30 2007 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:01:30 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. From karennewood at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 00:30:27 2007 From: karennewood at yahoo.com (Karenne Wood) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:30:27 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, Just a guess. The Tutelo-Monacan-Mannahoac Siouan speakers played a two-stick form of lacrosse, a violent version played by other Mississipian tribes that evolved into the one-stick lacrosse played by Haudenosuanee peoples. It's worth a thought that the Biloxi played something similar, given the linguistic and spiritual similarities. Only a theory. Karenne Wood (Monacan), Ford Fellow University of Virginia PhD candidate, linguistic anthropology "Rankin, Robert L" wrote:Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kdshea at ku.edu Mon Jan 15 07:54:12 2007 From: kdshea at ku.edu (Kathleen Shea) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:54:12 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 16:36:15 2007 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:36:15 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: <002801c7387a$59773a60$ab09ed81@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: I found a Wikipedia article on Native American stickball: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickball_%28Native_American%29 I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between stickball and shinny. (There is also a Wikipedia article on shinny but it describes it as coming from Scotland.) According to the Wikipedia article, stickball is still played on the Choctaw res in Mississippi. There is also a Catlin painting of a Choctaw stickball game from the 1830s. One of the Biloxi texts talks about a ball game, but there are no details of how it was played. But seeing as how there is a text mentioning a ballgame (and the text just happens to be about how the sun got up in the sky!) I suspect that the game is VERY ancient. Thanks. Dave Kathleen Shea wrote: The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob --------------------------------- From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Mon Jan 15 15:27:51 2007 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:27:51 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: <809258.46388.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One of Two Hohokam Ball Courts, Snaketown, Arizona Circa AD600-900 Readers? Digest America?s Fascinating Indian Heritage copyright 1978 Karenne Wood Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu 01/14/2007 06:30 PM Please respond to siouan at lists.colorado.edu To siouan at lists.colorado.edu cc Subject RE: Biloxi ball game Hi all, Just a guess. The Tutelo-Monacan-Mannahoac Siouan speakers played a two-stick form of lacrosse, a violent version played by other Mississipian tribes that evolved into the one-stick lacrosse played by Haudenosuanee peoples. It's worth a thought that the Biloxi played something similar, given the linguistic and spiritual similarities. Only a theory. Karenne Wood (Monacan), Ford Fellow University of Virginia PhD candidate, linguistic anthropology "Rankin, Robert L" wrote: Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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La Flesche p. 171: ohk?ce LF orig. a goal, the goals in the game of shinny ka??ni N shinny, a team ball game played with a buckskin ball and sticks on a field with goals at opposite ends (kas^i'ni) Carolyn Quintero _____ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Shea Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:54 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:rankin at ku.edu"Rankin, Robert L To: HYPERLINK "mailto:siouan at lists.colorado.edu"siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob _____ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu"owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave _____ Don't get soaked. Take aHYPERLINK "http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news" quick peak at the forecast with theHYPERLINK "http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail&#news"Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 03:18:02 2007 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:18:02 -0800 Subject: Biloxi ball game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for this, Mark! Sounds like the Hohokam game could have been similar to the Maya. Dave Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: One of Two Hohokam Ball Courts, Snaketown, Arizona Circa AD600-900 Readers??? Digest America???s Fascinating Indian Heritage copyright 1978 Karenne Wood Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu 01/14/2007 06:30 PM Please respond to siouan at lists.colorado.edu To siouan at lists.colorado.edu cc Subject RE: Biloxi ball game Hi all, Just a guess. The Tutelo-Monacan-Mannahoac Siouan speakers played a two-stick form of lacrosse, a violent version played by other Mississipian tribes that evolved into the one-stick lacrosse played by Haudenosuanee peoples. It's worth a thought that the Biloxi played something similar, given the linguistic and spiritual similarities. Only a theory. Karenne Wood (Monacan), Ford Fellow University of Virginia PhD candidate, linguistic anthropology "Rankin, Robert L" wrote: Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 287542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kdshea at ku.edu Tue Jan 16 07:48:39 2007 From: kdshea at ku.edu (Kathleen Shea) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:48:39 -0600 Subject: Fw: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: For some reason this got sent to Carolyn alone instead of to the whole list. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen Shea To: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game The name for shinny (game) in Ponca is ttabe'gasi (' is accents the preceding syllable here), rendered "hitting that ball" by my consultant: ttabe' 'ball,' gasi 'to hit, hitting.' James Howard in _The Ponca Tribe_ (p. 126) describes the ball and how it's made--out of deerskin and stuffed with horsehair, with certain traditional markings on it. I've never seen one up close, even though I've watched games. It's about the size of a football, but more spherical. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Quintero To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game From the last Osage speaker that I consulted with: ohk?ce N 1 goal, 2 the curved stick used to play ka??ni 'shinny' (03/23/95/FH/pc) . This stick is for hitting the ball made out of buckskin in the game of shinny which was declining in popularity in the early 20th century, circa 1916. La Flesche p. 171: ohk?ce LF orig. a goal, the goals in the game of shinny ka??ni N shinny, a team ball game played with a buckskin ball and sticks on a field with goals at opposite ends (kas^i'ni) Carolyn Quintero ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Shea Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:54 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Biloxi ball game Hi all, and Happy New Year. Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes? The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it? Any thoughts? Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 1/10/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmcbride at kawnation.com Wed Jan 17 15:07:09 2007 From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (Justin McBride) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:07:09 -0600 Subject: Biloxi ball game Message-ID: > Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin > mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can > fill you in. Actually, that big inter-tribal game (or series of games, rather, held over three separate weekends) from a year or so ago was a handgame, where Kaws and Osages competed against the Poncas and Otoes for bragging rights and possession of a travelling trophy. The Kaws and Osages put up a good fight, but in the end, the Poncas and Otoes cleaned house...handily. Now that you mention it, though, it seems about time for a rematch! As for ball games, I was asked by a tribal member a few years back to find out what sort of traditional sports the Kaws played. I went through Bob's dictionary and compared words for games with the games described in Stewart Culin's "Games of the North American Indians" (?1975, Dover Publications, Inc., reprinted from the 24th annual BAE report, 1902-1903) as having been played by other Dhegiha tribes. I found about 16 games all together, but only three of them are what I'd call ball sports: ttab? bast?j^e (bola/double-ball) two teams of five female players use sticks to hurl small bola made of two balls fastened together toward goals; similar to shinny, which is played by males ttab? bas?ge (thrown ball) men and women compete together in game like shinny, but ball is thrown instead of batted/hurled with sticks ttab? gas?? (shinny) two teams of male players compete--often violently--for goals in stick-and-ball game similar to field hockey I seem to recall having seen a women's double-ball fairly recently in a museum, although I cannot for the life of me recall where. It might have been at NMAI in Washington, D.C., or at the Sam Noble Oklahoma Museum of Natural History in Norman, OK. At any rate, I also seem to think that it might have been labeled as being Otoe or Ioway. But, given the state of my memory, I could be very, very wrong about this. -Justin From kdshea at ku.edu Sat Jan 20 06:27:11 2007 From: kdshea at ku.edu (Kathleen Shea) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:27:11 -0600 Subject: Hocank texts and recordings by Amelia Susman (1943) Message-ID: Dear Johannes, I think I've found what you want. I happen to have a copy of a catalogue published by the Indiana University, Bloomington, Archives of Traditional Music, cited in another of their catalogues, _Early Field Recordings_ (1987), by Seeger and Spear: Lee, Dorothy Sara. _Native North American Music and Oral Data: A Catalogue of Sound Recordings 1893-1976_. Indiana University Press, 1979. This contains a listing of Native American materials on cylinders, discs, and magnetic tapes through 1976, with indexes. Indiana might have a more recent cataloguing system by now with newer catalogues, but the Lee catalogue has a typed listing for collectors Herzog, George & Susman, Amelia, with accession number pre'54-236-F and the following comments summarized by field: culture group, Winnebago; culture area, Northeast; earliest known date of recording, 1939; medium of recording, disc-78; degree of public access, restricted; 3.5 hours; quality good; ATL number (the identification number for listening copies in the Archives Tape Library), 414-420; documentataion adequate; subject descriptions for songs--arrow, buffalo dance, ceremonial-night spirit, curing, folktale, flute, green corn dance, heruska, love, magic, medicine, medicine dance, Menomini, moccasin, morning, otter skin, peyote, shoot each other, soldier sun, victory dance, vision, war, water drum. I wonder if nowadays it might be possible to search online through the Archives' field collection holdings. I hope this helps. Kathy Shea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johannes Helmbrecht" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: Hocank texts and recordings by Amelia Susman (1943) > Dear Siouanists, > > Amelia Susmann mentions in the preface to her PhD Dissertation "The Accentual > System of Winnebago" (1943) that she had recorded "ritualistic and narrative > (Hocank) texts amounting to some fifteen thousand words" as well as a dozen of > "records on the phonograph" together with Dr. Herzog. Does anyone has an idea > whether these materials still exist somewhere, or where it makes sense to look > for in order to find them. Does anyone know who Dr. Herzog was? > > Every hint is wellcome - with my best wishes and seasonal greetings > > Johannes > > > -- > > Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht > Universit?t Regensburg > Institut f?r Medien-, Informations- > und Kulturwissenschaft (IMIK) > Universit?tsstr. 31 > 93053 Regensburg > > Tel.: ++49(0)941 943-3388 > ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekr. Frau Stitz) > Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 > E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de > > > > From shenry74 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 23:22:35 2007 From: shenry74 at yahoo.com (Shane Henry) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:22:35 -0800 Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Greetings, my name is Travis and I'm working towards a Masters in Native American Studies at Montana State University. In my life, I've lived in three places within the territories of Siouan or Catawban peoples, including Lashmeet, West Virginia (Moneton Country), Greensboro, North Carolina (Cheraw Country) and now Bozeman, Montana (Crow Country). I'm gathering a list of names of the Native homelands of North America. It's available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Countries_of_North_America I would be glad for any help finding names for the Native countries of the Siouan and Catawban peoples in their own languages. Attested names are best, though invented ones would be fine too. For any invented names, I would mark on the list that they are invented. Ideally the names would be in the actual orthography used by the modern people (when such exist), rather than a phonetic transcription. I only know two Siouan country names: Aps?alooke Issawua : Crow Country : I got this one from Tim McCleary, Project Co-ordinator for the Crow Place-Names Project. Shouldn't "Issawua" have a stress mark though? Wazidja : Hotc?k (Winnebago) Country : Is this spelled right in the Hotc?k orthography? Should it be "Wazija"? Here are some invented Siouan country names. I make no claim to expertise in any of these languages. Feedback is welcome. In particular, I don't know which languages put the descriptive word first and which put it second. Also, I'm not sure which word to use: "land" or "country"(e.g. Dakota makh? or makho?che). The interpretation of "Monacan" and "Occaneechi" are from Speck's "Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas": http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7294%28193504%2F06%292%3A37%3A2%3C201%3ASTOTCA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-O Amai Ama?uhka? : Monacan Country : "Land-People Country" This name is based on the interpretation of Monacan as "People of the Land", making the name "Land of the Land People". Amai M?n?/it??/ : Moneton Country : The reconstruction of the name is from the Southeast volume of the HNAI. How would it be spelled in regularized Tutelo/Virginia Siouan instead of phonetic notation? For all of the Virgina Siouan names, where do the stress marks go? Amai Yesa? : Tutelo Country Amai Yuhka?-? : Occaneechi Country : If the first part of this name is Virginia Siouan yuhka? 'man', what is the second part "-eechi"? Dakho?ta Makho?che/Lakho?ta Makho?che/Nako?da Ma?ko?ce : Sioux Country : I'm not sure about the order - should it be "Sioux Country" or "Country Sioux"? Also, should the first words be clipped like in the following Assiniboine example? Nako?n Ma?ko?ce : Assiniboine Country The interptetation of the Catawban tribal names is based on Speck's "Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas". Since that publication, new interpretations of some of the names may have come to light. I used a colon to mark length and a "/" to mark stress in some cases. What is the proper spelling in regularized Catawba? Are all of these peoples thought to be Catawban? What about the other (likely) Catawban tribes, such as the Keyauwee? M?nu Kat?pa : Catawba Country : "Division Country" M?nu ?:nare : Eno Country : "Mean Country" M?nu Hisk?/pet?/'h?re : Waxhaw Country: "Flat Head Country" M?nu I:sw?/ti: : Santee Country M?nu Pi:/h?re : Peedee Country : "Clever Country" M?nu ? : Saura Country : Are the speakers of the Saraw dialect of Catawba supposed to be descendents of the Saura? If so, what is the Saraw dialect version of "Saura Country"? M?nu S?wi:/h?re : Sewee Country : "Playful Country" M?nu S?gri:h?re : Sugeree Country : "Spoiled (River) Country" M?nu K?r?/h?re : Congeree Country : "Deep (River) Country" M?nu Wat?r?/'h?re : Wateree Country : "(River) Banks Washed Away Country" Thanks, Travis Henry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Tue Jan 30 01:21:05 2007 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:21:05 -0600 Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Hi Travis, > Here are some invented Siouan country names. . . . The interpretation of "Monacan" and "Occaneechi" are from Speck's "Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas": http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7294%28193504%2F06%292%3A37%3A2%3C201%3ASTOTCA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-O Amai Ama?uhka? : Monacan Country : "Land-People Country" This name is based on the interpretation of Monacan as "People of the Land", making the name "Land of the Land People". I'd have to say that it is unclear that the Monacans were Siouan-speaking. They may have been, but there is no attestation of the language. Amai Mani/it?a/ : Moneton Country : The reconstruction of the name is from the Southeast volume of the HNAI. How would it be spelled in regularized Tutelo/Virginia Siouan instead of phonetic notation? For all of the Virgina Siouan names, where do the stress marks go? This represents my work for Ives Goddard on this name. It is not so much a "reconstruction" as a simple interpretation of the spelling in phonetic characters. The name was parsed by the two gentlemen who discussed it in their travel journals. Mani is 'water' and ithan is 'big' (related to Dakota thanka, etc.) The "dephoneticized" way to write it would be "Moneton" or "Moniton". Accent should be on the second syllable of both words in the native language. In English it should be wherever you want it. Personally, I put it on the 1st syllable. The best current source on these S.E. tribal names and affiliations is the article by Ives Goddard in the journal "Anthropological Linguistics" about a year ago. The only tribal names in that part of the East that we can actually be certain are Siouan are Tutelo, Saponi, Moneton and, presumably, Occaneechee (in any of their several spellings). All others are speculative. The person to talk with about the Catawban names is Blair Rudes, who reads this list. Many of these names in the Carolinas are a matter of speculation also. Just because we can analyze a name using Catawba vocabulary doesn't mean it was the name of a Siouan or Catawban-speaking people. It may just mean that the Catawbas were the ones who named them to local explorers. Best of luck with your project. Bob Rankin From BARudes at aol.com Tue Jan 30 04:12:00 2007 From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:12:00 EST Subject: Introduction and Native Countries of the Siouans and Catawbans Message-ID: Hi Travis, In all the extant data from the Catawba language, I have found nothing that would qualify as what you call ?country names.? The evidence from early narratives indicates that from earliest times, Catawba names such as Esaw (Ysa, Yssa), Catawba (Catapa, Cataba), Saraw (Xual(l)a, Joara), etc. were the names of towns, not the names of ?countries.? As I noted in my article ?Place Names of Cofitachequi? (Anthropological Linguistics 46.4 (2004):359-436), the only Catawban town name for which a relatively certain etymology can be proposed is Esaw (Ysa, Yssa) (from Catawba ?i:suwaN? ?river?). With the exception of Esaw, Speck?s proposed analyses of purported Catawba names in his ?Siouan Tribes of the Carolinas? are purely speculative. I discuss many of them in the ?Place Names of Cofitachequi? article. The name Cofitachequi, which was the name applied by the Spaniards to the political entity and the territory in the Carolinas that included the towns of Ysa and Catapa, is of Muskogean origin and appears to have been given to the Spaniards by Muskogean speakers on the south side of the Savannah River. (See the article ?Catawba and Its Neighbors? by Blair Rudes, Thomas Blumer, and J. Alan May in the Southeast volume of HNAI.) With respect to your questions ?are all of these peoples thought to be Catawban?? and what about the other (likely) Catawban tribes, such as the Keyauwee?,? here is a quick summary of information that is discussed in greater detail in the previously referenced articles by Ives Goddard and me in Anthropological Lingusitics and in my co-authored chapter on the Catawba in the Southeast volume of HNAI. 1. There are good reasons to believe that the Eno, Shakori, Keyauwee, Waxhaw were not Catawban-speakers. 2. There is one piece of evidence, discussed in both Ives Goddard?s and my articles in Anthropological Lingusitics, to suggest that the Santee-Seretee were Catawban speakers. There is also circumstantial evidence suggesting that the Sewee were politically allied with the Santee-Seretee, which may also indicate a cultural-linguistic connection, although that is uncertain. 3. The relationship between the Saraw (Xual(l)a, Joara, Sauro) and the Cheraw (Chara) is complicated, but one or both of the groups apparently spoke a Catawban language/dialect. 4. The linguistic affiliations of the Pedee, Wateree, Congaree, and other historic towns of the Province of Cofitachequi are wholly unknown due to lack of data, although Catawban etymologies are possible for their names. As Bob noted, just because a Catawban etymology is possible for a town name, it does not mean the people in the village spoke a Catawban language. It may simply mean that it was speakers of a Catawban language who gave the name to the individuals who wrote it down. There are a few examples of Catawban names for non-Catawban peoples that might be considered ?country names,? for example, the name M?aNturaN? ?Cherokee ?. However, the antiquity of such names, and their etymologies are uncertain. I hope this information is useful. Let me know if I can help you in any other way with your proejct. 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