>>From the last Osage speaker that I consulted with:
ohkíce N 1 goal, 2 the curved stick used to play kaçíni shinny
(03/23/95/FH/pc) . This stick is for hitting the ball made out of buckskin
in the game of shinny which was declining in popularity in the early 20th
century, circa 1916.
La Flesche p. 171: ohkíce LF orig. <u-Ði´-dse> a
goal, the goals in the game of shinny
kaçíni N shinny, a team ball game played with a buckskin ball and sticks on
a field with goals at opposite ends
(kas^i'ni)
Carolyn Quintero
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Subject: Re: Biloxi ball game
The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old
tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams
with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by
the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most
of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are
rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told
me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny
game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing
against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women
playing.
Kathy
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Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game
Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned
that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in.
Bob
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Hi all, and Happy New Year.
Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm
wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the
precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the
Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there
some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes?
The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently
usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I
haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently
couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had
some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la
basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American
counterpart though, or did it?
Any thoughts?
Dave
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