Rory M Larson
rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu
Tue Apr 29 14:03:20 UTC 2008
I'm confused. What "holocaust" are we talking about here? Were the Hahns
Jewish or non-Jewish Germans? If they were Germans from Russia who had
come to America before Frida was even born, what authority would Third
Reich Germany have had to call Frida "back" to Germany? Why only her, and
not the rest of her family? If she was Jewish, why would they want to at
a time they were trying to expel the Jews? If she was non-Jewish, she
might have moved there voluntarily, and perhaps died there in the
following decade. There were probably about three million or so German
civilians that died during or after the war from Allied bombing or in the
massive population expulsion of Germans from the eastern parts of their
country by the Russians, Poles and Czechs. Would on-line "holocaust"
lists include these people?
"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
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RE: Frida Hahn
Thanks for adding that information. We were afraid something like that
had happened. The Hahns of Lincoln were Germans from Russia (like many of
the Germans of western KS and other midwestern states), so she would have
known the language since both parents and an older sister had been born
abroad and her father was not yet a citizen. I guess it might pay to
check in Lincoln in any event.
The holocaust lists that are on-line give at least three Frida Hahns and a
number of others with spelling variants. The late '30s would have been a
particularly bad time to go back to Germany.
Thanks again for the info.
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Sent: Mon 4/28/2008 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Frida Hahn
Thought I'd add a bit regarding Freida Hahn.
My Ponca mother, Josetta Rush was friends with Freida. She had many
stories about her. To my best understanding, as mom told it, Freida was
German. She actually told a story about how they (Poncas) were all amazed
that Freida could "i'e with those German ukhi'te at Miller's 101 Ranch"
(German WWI POWs that never went back).
Some time in the late 30s Freida was called back to Germany and she went.
Mom said that all the Ponca boys that went to Europe in WWII tried to find
her, but to no avail. Mom and her sisters tried to locate her through the
Red Cross, but they never found her. The fear has always been that she had
been killed in the holocaust.
Rankin, Robert L wrote:
I did a little more checking on Frida Hahn, the student
of Franz Boas who wrote the Ponca grammar found in the Gordon Marsh
Collection of the APS. There was a Frida Hahn listed in the 1920 US
Census from Lincoln, Nebraska, daughter of one William Hahn who had
emigrated from Russia. At the time our Frida was exchanging
correspondence with Franz Boas she would have been 23-27 years old -- just
about right for a graduate student. And she might have been naturally
attracted to study Ponca since she was from Nebraska. According to the
Census figures, below, she apparently had a brother and possibly three
Those of you living in the Lincoln area might want to
make some phone calls to the Hahns in the Lincoln phone directory and see
if any of the names below rings a bell. There may be some children or
grandchildren still around, and we could clear up the question "What ever
happened to Frida Hahn?" once and for all. They might appreciate the
information we have about her too.
Her father and mother were both born in Russia
NAME STATUS AGE FATHER
Hahn, Emma Married 43 F William (H9)
Hahn, Emma Single 11 F William (H9)
Hahn, Frida Single 13 F William (H9)
Hahn, George Single 22 M William (H9)
Hahn, Hazel Single 9m F William (H9)
I also checked the listings of names of persons who died
in the holocaust. There were at least three Frida Hahns from various
places in Silesia and Hungary, but they were all born in the 1880s. Let
us hope she was not one of them.
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