From jmcbride at kawnation.com  Fri Jun  6 16:01:20 2008
From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (Justin McBride)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:01:20 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.110120.0500.>

I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
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From Granta at edgehill.ac.uk  Fri Jun  6 16:05:01 2008
From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:05:01 +0100
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.170501.0100.>

This is dreadful news!  I never met her but she was extremely helpful to me when I was writing a paper on early Dhegiha spelling systems.  My thoiughts are with her family and feiends.

Anthony

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 5:01 pm >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx 
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com 
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html

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From rwd0002 at unt.edu  Fri Jun  6 16:56:19 2008
From: rwd0002 at unt.edu (rwd0002 at unt.edu)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:56:19 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.115619.0500.>

That is very sad, my prayers are with her family.

I had the pleasure of meeting Carolyn several times, last time at the 
wonderful Siouan Conference at Kaw Nation a few years ago.  We talked 
and traded some Siouanist ling. and anthro. books.  Her Osage Grammar 
is a tribute to her diplomatic fieldwork skills, and to her attention 
to linguistic detail, in working with a language with unfortunately so 
very few speakers...   A great loss for Siouanist and especially Osage 
linguistics.

Willem de Reuse


Quoting Justin McBride <jmcbride at kawnation.com>:

> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
> Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have 
> only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
>
>


From mary.marino at usask.ca  Fri Jun  6 17:33:07 2008
From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Marino)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:33:07 -0600
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.113307.0600.>

I am deeply sorry and shocked to hear this. I only got to know Carolyn 
when I shared rooms with her and Linda Cumberland at the Siouan/Caddoan 
Conference in Billings. I had looked forward to seeing her and hearing 
from her in years to come. Her passing is a huge loss.

Mary Marino

Justin McBride wrote:
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
> Quintero passed away this week. I know none of the details. I have 
> only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
> **** 
> <http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx>*http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx*
> *Hominy* — Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa 
> Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell.
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services 
> would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans. I will 
> keep checking, though, and post more when I can. If you would like to 
> call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK 74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com <mailto:jmcbride at kawnation.com>
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html <http://www.kawnation.com/langhome.html>


From tmleonard at cox.net  Fri Jun  6 17:38:31 2008
From: tmleonard at cox.net (Tom Leonard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:38:31 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.123831.0500.>

Somebody tell me this is a very bad dream.

Carolyn was a teacher and a friend. It is a sad day indeed.

Tom Leonard

Justin McBride wrote:
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
> Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have 
> only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
>  
> *http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx*
> *Hominy* --- Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa 
> Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell.
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services 
> would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will 
> keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to 
> call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
>  
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
>  
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK  74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com <mailto:jmcbride at kawnation.com>
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html <http://www.kawnation.com/langhome.html>
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From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu  Fri Jun  6 17:54:50 2008
From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:54:50 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.125450.0500.>

I'm heartbroken to hear this.  In a circle of extraordinary people, I 
remember her as one of the most delightful.

Rory





"Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
06/06/2008 11:07 AM
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Carolyn Quintero






I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only 
seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
 
http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy — Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, 
Calif. Services pending. Powell. 
I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services 
would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will 
keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to 
call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
 
My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
 
Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html

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From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Fri Jun  6 18:54:28 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:54:28 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.135428.0500.>

Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
some remembrances of her?  
Catherine

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


From rankin at ku.edu  Fri Jun  6 20:42:21 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:42:21 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.154221.0500.>

I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero



Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
some remembrances of her? 
Catherine

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
pending. Powell.

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


From tmleonard at cox.net  Fri Jun  6 21:57:12 2008
From: tmleonard at cox.net (Tom Leonard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:57:12 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.165712.0500.>

I agree with Bob. Maybe someone can suggest to Oklahoma Univ. Press that 
NOW would be a good time to get off their niN'de (surprise: they've been 
dragging their heels for several years).

Rankin, Robert L wrote:
> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.
>  
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
> Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero
>
>
>
> Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
> wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
> conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
> some remembrances of her? 
> Catherine
>
>   
>>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
>>>>         
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
> away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
> World:
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
> Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
> pending. Powell.
>
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
> they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
> when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
>
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
>
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK  74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
>
>
>   
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From linguista at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 00:09:19 2008
From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:09:19 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <4849B2B8.5000009@cox.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.190919.0500.>

Carolyn was one of the friendliest and most helpful people I ever met in my
thus far rather short academic career. I remember really being surprised by
how helpful she was, how interested she was in my ideas, how many ideas of
her own she had. I had no idea she was doing poorly. I guess, as Bob said,
she didn't want us worrying about her.

Things just won't be the same without her.

- Bryan
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From pustetrm at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 09:56:20 2008
From: pustetrm at yahoo.com (REGINA PUSTET)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 02:56:20 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.025620.0700.>

What a tragedy. I still can't believe it. Although I've met Carolyn at Siouan&Caddoan conferences only, there was quite some exchange of ideas between us. Her devotion to the Osage language project was admirable, and so is her scientific output. She will be missed, both as a scholar and as the fun person and great colleague she was.
  Regina


Justin McBride <jmcbride at kawnation.com> wrote:          I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
   
  http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
  Hominy — Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

  I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
   
  My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
   
  Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


       
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From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu  Sat Jun  7 14:39:28 2008
From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:39:28 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.093928.0500.>

> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, 
and that she was "just finishing [it] up":

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, 
I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she 
must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be 
invaluable to preserve.

Rory
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From rankin at ku.edu  Sat Jun  7 15:24:20 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:24:20 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.102420.0500.>

I would hope that she (and any academic researcher) would have appointed a literary executor in her will.  I'm sure some sort of arrangements must have been made, since I know she wanted both linguists and the Osage people to have access to the information she collected.  
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Rory M Larson
Sent: Sat 6/7/2008 9:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero



> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be invaluable to preserve. 

Rory 


From tmleonard at cox.net  Sat Jun  7 15:35:02 2008
From: tmleonard at cox.net (Tom Leonard)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:35:02 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0591@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.103502.0500.>

Just received word that there will be a Memorial Service for Carolyn on 
Saturday, June 14th, 11:00 a.m., at the cemetery pavilion in Hominy, 
OK.  I believe there will be a meal following the service, but the folks 
are still working out the details.

 


From kdshea at aol.com  Sat Jun  7 22:36:25 2008
From: kdshea at aol.com (Kathleen Shea)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:36:25 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.173625.0500.>

I, too, am stunned and very saddened by this news.  Carolyn was a good friend and a valued colleague.  We were only a few months apart in age, and I considered her to be like a sister.  She will be very much missed by all.

Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Justin McBride 
  To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:01 AM
  Subject: Carolyn Quintero


  I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

  http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
  Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

  I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

  My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

  Justin McBride
  Language Director
  Kaw Nation
  Drawer 50
  Kaw City, OK  74641
  PH (580) 269-1199
  FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
  jmcbride at kawnation.com
  www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
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From cbloom at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jun  7 23:08:08 2008
From: cbloom at ozemail.com.au (Clive Bloomfield)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:08:08 +1000
Subject: Sad news
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.090808.1000.>

Dear List members,

I did not have the privilege of knowing Carolyn personally, but her  
scholarship commands the utmost respect.

To pass on at the young age of 62 years, is to leave this life far  
too early, at the height of one's mature powers.

My ancestors would have said in their Irish language :

Go raibh sí ar dheis Dé choíchin, agus ceol na n-aingeal ina dhá cluais!

May she be seated at the right hand of God forever, and with the  
music of the angels in her ears!


May I extend my sincere condolences, first to Carolyn's family, and  
then to all Siouan List members, who have clearly lost a treasured  
colleague.

Ave atque vale, Carolina,

from Clive Bloomfield.


From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:38:44 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:38:44 -0700
Subject: My New Address
In-Reply-To: <01MV8SYPKR2S8WWPYH@sask.usask.ca>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.123844.0700.>

Mary - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104
 
2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803
 
tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com

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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:39:35 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:39:35 -0700
Subject: Code talkers.
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E056A@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.123935.0700.>

To whom - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Rankin, Robert L
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:22 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: Code talkers.

 

Dear Mrs. Stabler,

 

I haven't forgotten you.  I keep finding things in the texts that need to be
"fixed".  I've done about the correcting that I'm ambitious enough to do, so
I'll try to get you a CD of the texts out in the next few days.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bob Rankin

 

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From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Vida Stabler
Sent: Mon 5/5/2008 10:48 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Code talkers.

You are kind.  My address is Vida Stabler, Umo^n ho^n Nation Public
Schoool, Umo^n ho^n Language & Cultural Center, Box
280, Macy, Nebraska 68039
Wibthaho^n , VSS
Rankin, Robert L wrote:
> Dear Mrs. Stabler,
> 
> If you don't have access to an email address that readily accepts
attachments, why don't you send me your postal address and I'll just fire
off a copy of the Dorsey texts to you on a disk.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bob R.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Vida Stabler
> Sent: Thu 5/1/2008 2:58 PM
> To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
> Subject: Re: Code talkers.
>
>
>
> Mr. Tom Leonard, sounds like you were really blessed to know these men.
> Vida
>
> Tom Leonard wrote:
>  
>> FYI -
>>
>> Charles Chibitty, the last survivor of 20 Comanche code talkers who
>> used their native language to transmit messages for the Allies in
>> Europe during World War II died in July 2005. He was 83.
>>
>> "/It's strange, but growing up as a child I was forbidden to speak my
>> native language at school," Chibitty said in 2002. "Later my country
>> asked me to. My language helped win the war and that makes me very
>> proud. Very proud./"
>>
>> I knew Charlie (he lived nearby, here in Tulsa) Forrest Kassanavoid,
>> and a few of the others. They were ALL great guys...real gentlemen. It
>> was a honor to know them and to have the opportunity to visit with them.
>>
>> Some further info here:
>> HYPERLINK
"http://www.comanchelanguage.org/Comanche%20Code%20Talkers.htm"http://www.co
manchelanguage.org/Comanche%20Code%20Talkers.htm
>>
>> HYPERLINK
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_
talker
>>
>>
>>
>> Rankin, Robert L wrote:
>>    
>>> Interesting.  All this stuff should be collected and the principals
interviewed to the extent that it's still possible.  The participants didn't
want to talk about it for a long time because it was "classified", but that
is no longer the case (although I suppose interviewers should get a letter
from the Pentagon saying so).
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Justin McBride
>>> Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 11:39 AM
>>> To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
>>> Subject: Re: Code talkers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to a code talker reception in Oklahoma City a year or two ago. I
>>> heard something I'd never considered before. There have been several
>>> instances in wars past in which two or more fluent tribal language
speakers
>>> from the same community happened to be in the same batch of soldiers
(unit,
>>> platoon, or whatever). In those cases, speakers were not infrequently
called
>>> upon to communicate by way of their shared language, especially in
>>> close-fighting situations where the shouting of tactical orders may have
>>> been overheard by enemy troops that may have knowledge of English.
Soldiers
>>> who did this sort of thing weren't code talkers per se, and have never
been
>>> recognized for their contributions to the war effort.
>>>
>>> I recently heard that there were a few Kaw "code talkers," and ever
since
>>> that reception I've wondered if the designation may have actually
referred
>>> to this phenomenon of impromptu tribal language use in combat settings.
I
>>> wanted to ask one of those guys who was supposedly such a talker,
Houston
>>> Taylor, but he recently passed away. I guess these guys, however heroic,
>>> aren't getting any younger.
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
>>> To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Code talkers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd guess that, over time, the "code(s)" could have been broken.  As
several
>>> have said, any language can be reduced to its grammar.  In the case of
the
>>> American Indian languages, they were used as tactical codes, not
strategic
>>> codes, as far as I know.  The latter are used for diplomatic and general
>>> staff, etc. communications, and it was those that our cryptanalysts had
the
>>> best luck with against the Japanese and Germans.  Even if the Japanese
had
>>> painfully learned Navajo (or Seminole, Choctaw, Omaha, Comanche, etc.),
they
>>> would have had to be able to understand the language spoken rapidly by
>>> native speakers under battlefield conditions.  How many of us could do
that
>>> with the Siouan languages we've studied for so many years!?  As an
aside, I
>>> don't think the alleged "difficulties" of the Navajo language had much
of
>>> anything to do with its success as a code.
>>>
>>> On top of the language there was a fairly simple substitution code with
>>> different words for various military terms, and they would have had to
be
>>> decrypted too.  All in all, it was a terrifically efficient system, and
the
>>> participants deserve all of the credit that has been bestowed on them,
>>> however belatedly.
>>>
>>> The contribution of the Navajos has become pretty well known, but I
think
>>> someone should try to interview any left who were from other tribes --
in
>>> any war.  And, if not them, then their living relatives.  There's
definitely
>>> a book to be written there, and who better to write it than someone with
>>> roots in the Native American community or a linguist?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>      
>
>
>
>  


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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:45:47 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:45:47 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <OF7A7A16F8.2D4F1F87-ON86257461.004E6D22-86257461.005084AF@unl.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.124547.0700.>

Rory - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU] On Behalf Of Rory M Larson
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero

 


> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and
that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know,
I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she
must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be
invaluable to preserve. 

Rory 

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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:47:27 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:47:27 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <812219.14918.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.124727.0700.>

All - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU] On Behalf Of REGINA PUSTET
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 2:56 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero

 

What a tragedy. I still can't believe it. Although I've met Carolyn at
Siouan&Caddoan conferences only, there was quite some exchange of ideas
between us. Her devotion to the Osage language project was admirable, and so
is her scientific output. She will be missed, both as a scholar and as the
fun person and great colleague she was.

Regina



Justin McBride <jmcbride at kawnation.com> wrote: 

I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn
Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only
seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

 

HYPERLINK
"http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx"http://www.tulsawor
ld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx

Hominy — Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica,
Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would
be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep
checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call
Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

 

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

 

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
HYPERLINK "mailto:jmcbride at kawnation.com"jmcbride at kawnation.com
HYPERLINK
"http://www.kawnation.com/langhome.html"www.kawnation.com/langhome.html

 

  
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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:48:27 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:48:27 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.124827.0700.>

Bob - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU] On Behalf Of Rankin, Robert L
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero

 

I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer
for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting
over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.
Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary
has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it
appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her
scholarship.

 

Bob

 

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero

Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden
- Carolyn
wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming
Siouan
conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there
to share
some remembrances of her? 
Catherine

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn
Quintero passed
away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary
in the Tulsa
World:

HYPERLINK
"http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx"http://www.tulsawor
ld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica,
Calif. Services
pending. Powell.

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would
be held, but
they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though,
and post more
when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918)
885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:55:57 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:55:57 -0700
Subject: Siouan / Caddoan Conference hotel
In-Reply-To: <482DA053.A34A.000B.0@MSSU.EDU>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.125557.0700.>

Jill - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104
 
2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803
 
tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Jill Greer
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:55 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Siouan / Caddoan Conference hotel

Hi, all,

Just a brief correction -  I have been urging folks to quickly make their
reservations for the conference , but after speaking with the Baymont
manager today, she said that she will hold that block of rooms for us until
June 7th, so that gives a few of you more breathing room to get your funding
requests through the wheels of bureaucracy in time.    

I apologize for the mistake.  I hope that everyone remembers to tell them it
is for the Siouan conference, or else they may not be getting the right
rate.  

Anyone else who is planning to attend but not present a paper, I would
appreciate hearing from you also in the next week or so...

It's looking like a great list of events -   thank you all for getting
things in to Catherine Rudin and me!  

Best,
Jill

Jill D. Greer
Assistant Professor
Social Science Department
MSSU
Joplin, MO 64801





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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:57:58 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:57:58 -0700
Subject: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable
In-Reply-To: <000e01c8b4d5$8e8c4410$6501a8c0@pchonza>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.125758.0700.>

Jan - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Jan Ullrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:44 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable

 

 

 

Bob,

 

I am happy you like the sample pages and hope that you will find the entire
dictionary useful.

 

> Will it be available on CD so that it can be searched 

> by machine, or is it to be printed only?  

 

The dictionary is currently available only in printed form. 

An electronic version is going to be our next project. We are planning to
record all of the headwords and perhaps all example sentences, and include
the audio on the CD. We already have several native speakers interested in
working on this project. 

For the electronic version, however, we have to solve many issues of parsing
Lakota, because we would like to enable the users to search for any form of
a word, not just for its lemma. Creating such parser will be the more
difficult part of the project. But not less exciting.

 

Jan

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rankin, Robert L [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of
Rankin, Robert L
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:49 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable

Jan,

 

Just looked at the sample pages and it looks terrific!  I'm looking forward
to getting one.  Will it be available on CD so that it can be searched by
machine, or is it to be printed only?  We'll miss you at the roundtable.

 

Best,

 

Bob

 


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From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Jan Ullrich
Sent: Mon 5/12/2008 2:16 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable

Hi, everyone,

and sorry for the late reply to this topic. I have been out of office
for several weeks.
I would love to participate in the dictionary roundtable but am unable
to attend the conference due to my teaching/research schedule in South
Dakota.
I hope the roundtable participants can take a look at the sample pages
from the New Lakota Dictionary and examine them. I would be very happy
to hear any comments and critique. The sample pages are at:
HYPERLINK
"http://www.lakhota.org/downloads/pdf/Sample_NLD.pdf"http://www.lakhota.org/
downloads/pdf/Sample_NLD.pdf

I was going to write a little announcement on the dictionary but I am
glad David did that instead of me. Also, Jim Good Tracks just forwarded
the announcement I wrote for the lexicography list.

With best regards

Jan




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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 20:02:10 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:02:10 -0700
Subject: Frida Hahn
In-Reply-To: <52193FE8-F635-4002-B9C8-362552B14BBE@fa-kuan.muc.de>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.130210.0700.>

Alfred - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104
 
2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803
 
tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of "Alfred W. Tüting"
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:45 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Frida Hahn

Hello,
this is an interesting topic here and worth going into it.
As already mentioned by others, the first name's spelling (Frida  
instead of Frieda) might suggest Eastern European descent (Cyrillic,  
Yiddish-Hebrew transliteration - or maybe also Hungarian, Romanian  
etc. spelling convention). I'd go for Jewish ancestry.

As a young prosecutor dealing with NS-crimes back in the seventies one  
of our main sources had been "(Bad) Arolsen" i.e. that ITS  
Internationaler Suchdienst (International Tracing Service). Only  
recently, ITS Arolsen IS NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, which means that  
historians or scholars like you are allowed to do researches there.

Here is a link to their website: http://www.its-arolsen.org/english/

and an article about the archive:
http://www.focus.de/panorama/diverses/holocaust-archiv-weltgroesstes-holocau
st-archiv-in-bad-arolsen-eroeffnet_aid_298570.html

Best regards

Alfred

_______________

Alfred W. Tüting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de








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From BARudes at aol.com  Sun Jun  8 20:05:41 2008
From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:05:41 EDT
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.160541.EDT.>



 
In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:02:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jmcbride at kawnation.com writes:

ntero passed away this week.  I know none of  the details.  I have only seen 
her obituary in the Tulsa  World:
 
_http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx_ 
(http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx) 
Hominy — Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in  Santa Monica, 
Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy,  OK, to find out when services would 
be held, but they said the family has  yet to make plans.  I will keep 
checking, though, and post more when  I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you 
can reach them at (918)  885-2128.
 
My prayers go out to her family and all those  whose lives she touched.
 
Justin  McBride





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From BARudes at aol.com  Sun Jun  8 20:07:48 2008
From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:07:48 EDT
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.160748.EDT.>





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From BARudes at aol.com  Sun Jun  8 20:08:45 2008
From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:08:45 EDT
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.160845.EDT.>

I am Blair Rudes' relative and have seen the many notes re Carolyn  
Quintero's passing



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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 20:25:52 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:25:52 -0700
Subject: another Siouan question
In-Reply-To: <925340.15754.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.132552.0700.>

Regina - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of REGINA PUSTET
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:14 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: another Siouan question

 

The animacy issue can be resolved if we assume, as I have suggsted a few
messages ago, that kichi- is the "real" reciprocal and ichi- is simply a
prefix that indicates, loosely speaking, contact etc. I wasn't even sure
that ichi- is a person marker (in the sense that it occupies the slots for
person marking in the verb) when I looked at my own data, and now that I've
seen Jan's last example, I'm even less sure. kichi-, on the oher hand, is a
person marker, and it also inflects for person (yechi- second person,
uNkichi- first person). ichi- does not inflect for person, as far as I know.
As a genuine reciprocal marker, kichi- can be expected primarily with
animates because animates are the entities in the universe that usually 'do'
things to each other, while inanimates are normalyy inert. So this might
explain strong statistical correlations of animates with kichi- in texts and
other corpora.

Regina

shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

My impression with the -ichi- versus -kichi- is that when reciprocal the
ichi- occurs with inanimates and that the kichi- usually with animates.  Is
that the case with your examples Jan?  This looks a little bit as though we
have a verb class division rather as in Cree  and perhaps other Algonquian
languages, where verb types, but not necessarily stems, are specialized for
animate or inanimate subject (maybe agent).  This would mean that basically
ichi- is inanimate reciprocal as in ichihkoyaka 'be linked to each other'
ichipawega 'cross over each other', ichicawinga 'go back on the previous one
(of paths)' , but if you have an animate agent, the reciprocity is born by
the objects (patients?) as in ichiwanyanka 'compare, see one in relation to
another', ichipasisa 'pin one to the other' etc.  Similarly icihipasisa
could mean 'be pinned to each other' if the subject was inanimate.
Bruce

Bruce

Jan Ullrich <jfu at centrum.cz> wrote: 

 

(quoating Regina)

>>  iyeciNkyaNke ki ichi-yaphapi  'the cars bumped into each other, in an
accident' 

>>  a-kichi-phapi  'they hit each other' 

 

>I would argue that these don't represent a minimal pair. ichi-yaphapi comes
from ichi + >iyapha whicle akichiphapi originates in aphA and kichi-.

 

That's what I was trying to say, if you agree that kichi- is the reciprocal
marker here. 

 

I am not sure I follow, Can you explain?

 

Jan

 


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From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 22:21:10 2008
From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:21:10 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.152110.0700.>

Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
   
  Dave

       
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From pankihtamwa at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 22:24:31 2008
From: pankihtamwa at earthlink.net (David Costa)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:24:31 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.152431.0700.>

Yup. And I got the three emails from Blair Rudes, which was also  
pretty weird.

I expect to start getting emails from Voegelin or Dorsey any minute now.

David C

>
> Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically  
> generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email  
> address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific  
> individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
> Dave
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From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 22:31:03 2008
From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:31:03 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <8594F168-1DFC-469E-855F-2D0DB4A8112D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.153103.0700.>

The third one from Blair Rude's address said it was a relative, so that could be authentic, but I'm a little suspicious about all the others....
   
  Dave

David Costa <pankihtamwa at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Yup. And I got the three emails from Blair Rudes, which was also pretty weird.   

  I expect to start getting emails from Voegelin or Dorsey any minute now.
  

  David C
  
      

  Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
   
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From shanwest at shaw.ca  Sun Jun  8 22:44:57 2008
From: shanwest at shaw.ca (Shannon West)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:44:57 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.154457.0700.>

I suspect that someone set up an auto-responder on her email so they 
didn't have to personally reply to all her mail. They're identical, 
right down to the name + dash in the greeting. It wouldn't be hard to 
script that so that it would put the first name of the recipient in the email.

It appears to be taking the response name out of the headers, and 
replying to the reply-to. This is going to happen until someone 
unsubscribes her email address from the list (John?)

Shannon

At 03:21 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically 
>generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email 
>address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific 
>individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
>Dave
>
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From mary.marino at usask.ca  Sun Jun  8 23:34:16 2008
From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Marino)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:34:16 -0600
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.173416.0600.>

David Kaufman wrote:
> Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically 
> generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  
> I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in 
> the past couple of hours.  ??
>  
> Dave
I have received them too.
Mary


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 03:47:40 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:47:40 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0591@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.224740.0500.>

We just returned from Grey Horse Iroshka Dances, where an Osage acquaintance said he overheard some Osage elders speaking in Wazhazhi (Osage) that Caroline had died, and that it was a huge loss.  Immediately, I preferred to disbelieve the totally unexpected thought, until I could see something posted on the list.  This evening the list messages have confirm this dreaded report.  Earlier in the day, (Saturday), I had collected several items from the Drum Keepers Committee Feast Saturday at noon, with the thought to give these items to Caroline at the forthcoming Joplin Conference.  These items from the Grey Horse Drum Keeper Committee in part featured the new Osage orthography script.   Now they sit for want of a direction to proceed.

I was among those who became acquainted with Carolyn in the early 1980s in Tulsa, OK when her interest in Osage were sparked by Robert Bristow, likely the most articulate non-professional Osage linguist and speaker at the time, followed by her dedicated work in his memory and that of the various Osage Elders with whom she worked.

It is ironic, it seems to me, that her sudden and unanticipated passing was no less as shocking as Roberts' equally sudden and untimely passing at an early age.  I am uplifted by this shared feeling amongst the whole Siouan list group to honor her in some special way at the conference in Joplin, as well as thoughts to follow through to completion on her Osage Dictionary.

Speaking for myself, I will indeed miss her, our occassions of conversing in Spanish, her encouragements, her support.  Her private conversations and advise continue to fuel my own devotion.  Tonight the light of the Siouan Language communities is less bright in the shadow of her passing and absence from our group.
 
I just received a note that there are to be services next Saturday morning at the Hominy cemetery.  That is an appropriate weekend as the Hominy Osage Iroshka ceremonial Dances will be motion and where she attended on numerous occasions.  While those unfamiliar with the Iroshka Society, it is a prayer event as well as a social and cultural event.  Doubtlessly she and her immediate family will be apart of all the prayers rendered.

I pray indeed that her work and contributions live on for the highest good of all concerned.
Respectfully,
Jimm GT
 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero


I would hope that she (and any academic researcher) would have appointed a literary executor in her will.  I'm sure some sort of arrangements must have been made, since I know she wanted both linguists and the Osage people to have access to the information she collected.  
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Rory M Larson
Sent: Sat 6/7/2008 9:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero



> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be invaluable to preserve. 

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From ti at fa-kuan.muc.de  Mon Jun  9 07:12:59 2008
From: ti at fa-kuan.muc.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Alfred_W._T=FCting=22?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:12:59 +0200
Subject: Carolyn Quintero R.I.P.
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.091259.0200.>

Dear list members,

although it's an automatically generated message below, the news is  
nonetheless a really depressing one!
Let me express my heartfelt condolence with Carolyn Quintero's family,  
the Osage community and all of you.
May her work be continued!

Der Tod ist groß
Wir sind die Seinen
Lachenden Munds.
Wenn wir uns mitten im Leben meinen,
Wagt er zu weinen
Mitten in uns.

(Schlußstück - Rainer Maria Rilke)


Alfred



Alfred - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this  
last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at  
11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803

tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com
_______________

Alfred W. Tüting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de






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From Granta at edgehill.ac.uk  Mon Jun  9 09:25:46 2008
From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:25:46 +0100
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <8594F168-1DFC-469E-855F-2D0DB4A8112D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.102546.0100.>

I think you should hold out for Frank La Flesche.  Or John Lawson or John Bradbury.  

>>> David Costa <pankihtamwa at earthlink.net> 06/08/08 11:24 pm >>>
Yup. And I got the three emails from Blair Rudes, which was also  
pretty weird.

I expect to start getting emails from Voegelin or Dorsey any minute now.

David C

>
> Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically  
> generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email  
> address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific  
> individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
> Dave
>


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From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:29:39 +0100
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I got 9 automated emails, plus 3 with Blair's name in them, all within the space of 55 minutes.  It's unsettling, to say the least.  I've never known anything like it before. 

Anthony

>>> David Kaufman <dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com> 06/08/08 11:21 pm >>>
Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
   
  Dave

       

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From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 11:23:35 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:23:35 -0500
Subject: Fw: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.062335.0500.>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jimm GoodTracks 
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero


We just returned from Grey Horse Iroshka Dances, where an Osage acquaintance said he overheard some Osage elders speaking in Wazhazhi (Osage) that Caroline had died, and that it was a huge loss.  Immediately, I preferred to disbelieve the totally unexpected thought, until I could see something posted on the list.  This evening the list messages have confirm this dreaded report.  Earlier in the day, (Saturday), I had collected several items from the Drum Keepers Committee Feast Saturday at noon, with the thought to give these items to Caroline at the forthcoming Joplin Conference.  These items from the Grey Horse Drum Keeper Committee in part featured the new Osage orthography script.   Now they sit for want of a direction to proceed.

I was among those who became acquainted with Carolyn in the early 1980s in Tulsa, OK when her interest in Osage were sparked by Robert Bristow, likely the most articulate non-professional Osage linguist and speaker at the time, followed by her dedicated work in his memory and that of the various Osage Elders with whom she worked.

It is ironic, it seems to me, that her sudden and unanticipated passing was no less as shocking as Roberts' equally sudden and untimely passing at an early age.  I am uplifted by this shared feeling amongst the whole Siouan list group to honor her in some special way at the conference in Joplin, as well as thoughts to follow through to completion on her Osage Dictionary.

Speaking for myself, I will indeed miss her, our occassions of conversing in Spanish, her encouragements, her support.  Her private conversations and advise continue to fuel my own devotion.  Tonight the light of the Siouan Language communities is less bright in the shadow of her passing and absence from our group.

I just received a note that there are to be services next Saturday morning at the Hominy cemetery.  That is an appropriate weekend as the Hominy Osage Iroshka ceremonial Dances will be motion and where she attended on numerous occasions.  While those unfamiliar with the Iroshka Society, it is a prayer event as well as a social and cultural event.  Doubtlessly she and her immediate family will be apart of all the prayers rendered.

I pray indeed that her work and contributions live on for the highest good of all concerned.
Respectfully,
Jimm GT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero


I would hope that she (and any academic researcher) would have appointed a literary executor in her will.  I'm sure some sort of arrangements must have been made, since I know she wanted both linguists and the Osage people to have access to the information she collected.  
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Rory M Larson
Sent: Sat 6/7/2008 9:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero



> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be invaluable to preserve. 

Rory 

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From rankin at ku.edu  Mon Jun  9 15:45:35 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:45:35 -0500
Subject: Multiple emails
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.104535.0500.>

Shannon is right on the money.  The automated messages will continue until John Koontz reads his email -- which he has not been doing.  Messages to his workplace bounce.  Someone in Boulder will probably need to phone him.  And he should remove Blair from the list at the same time.  Until then, just ignore the messages.  Gordon (Carolyn's friend) and Blair's relative are just trying to be helpful.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Shannon West
Sent: Sun 6/8/2008 5:44 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Multiple emails



I suspect that someone set up an auto-responder on her email so they
didn't have to personally reply to all her mail. They're identical,
right down to the name + dash in the greeting. It wouldn't be hard to
script that so that it would put the first name of the recipient in the email.

It appears to be taking the response name out of the headers, and
replying to the reply-to. This is going to happen until someone
unsubscribes her email address from the list (John?)

Shannon

At 03:21 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically
>generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email
>address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific
>individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
>Dave
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
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From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  9 16:03:06 2008
From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:03:06 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E059E@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.090306.0700.>

Hi all,
   
  Let me say that I did not have the pleasure of knowing Carolyn, but I wish I had seeing all of the messages from other Siouanists about her.  I do have a copy of her Osage Grammar, which I find to be a stellar academic work.
   
  I did have the pleasure of knowing Blair, but unfortunately all too briefly.  My PhD work will focus on an Algonquian language, Mohegan, and Blair had already been very helpful in giving me background on the languages.  I miss his support and helpful advice.
   
  I hope that for the sake of Siouan and linguistic scholarship, their works in progress (Osage, Catawba, Virginian Algonquian) will be passed on to someone who can get them published in their memory.
   
  Dave

"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:
  Shannon is right on the money. The automated messages will continue until John Koontz reads his email -- which he has not been doing. Messages to his workplace bounce. Someone in Boulder will probably need to phone him. And he should remove Blair from the list at the same time. Until then, just ignore the messages. Gordon (Carolyn's friend) and Blair's relative are just trying to be helpful.

Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Shannon West
Sent: Sun 6/8/2008 5:44 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Multiple emails



I suspect that someone set up an auto-responder on her email so they
didn't have to personally reply to all her mail. They're identical,
right down to the name + dash in the greeting. It wouldn't be hard to
script that so that it would put the first name of the recipient in the email.

It appears to be taking the response name out of the headers, and
replying to the reply-to. This is going to happen until someone
unsubscribes her email address from the list (John?)

Shannon

At 03:21 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically
>generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email
>address? I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific
>individuals in the past couple of hours. ??
>
>Dave
>
>
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From David.Rood at Colorado.EDU  Mon Jun  9 16:46:55 2008
From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:46:55 -0600
Subject: Multiple emails and Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.104655.0600.>

I called John Koontz's office this morning and left a voicemail message 
for him.  I hope the multiple emails will soon stop.

I have been mulling over what I wanted to say in response to Justin's very 
sad news about Carolyn, and I can't figure out how to express myself. 
Obviously it was a surprise and a shock to everyone, as well as to me.  I 
think Jimm's response is as close to what I would say as anything.  I, 
too, met her when she and Robert Bristow were working together on Osage. 
She was a student at the Univ. of Massachusetts then, and wanted to write 
a grammar of Osage as her dissertation.  But in those days lingusitics 
departments of the UMass type were not accepting descriptive 
dissertations, so she just stopped trying for a while.  In the mid 1980s I 
successfully got a grant for her to continue her Osage work, and that 
resulted in the first draft of her grammar, which by then was also 
accepted as her dissertation for her PhD degree.  All this time, of 
course, we were communicating about both academic and financial issues.  I 
found her extremely flexible, but also astute both as a linguist and as a 
businesswoman.  She made the grant money go a long way.  Her dedication to 
the work, and to preserving Robert Bristow's efforts as well, was 
unwavering.  I can only begin to guess how much I'm going to miss her.

David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


From mary.marino at usask.ca  Tue Jun 10 19:10:05 2008
From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Marino)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:10:05 -0600
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.131005.0600.>

Somebody should write an obituary for LinguistList.

Mary Marino


Rankin, Robert L wrote:
> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.
>  
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
> Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero
>
>
>
> Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
> wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
> conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
> some remembrances of her? 
> Catherine
>
>   
>>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
>>>>         
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
> away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
> World:
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
> Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
> pending. Powell.
>
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
> they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
> when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
>
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
>
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK  74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
>
>
>   


From rankin at ku.edu  Thu Jun 12 15:33:31 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:33:31 -0500
Subject: FW: question to R.Rankin
Message-ID: <THU.12.JUN.2008.103331.0500.>

Bruce,
 
I just wanted to make sure you had heard about the death of Carolyn Quintero.  It occurred to me that the Siouan List might not be getting forwarded to you.  She passed away a couple of weeks ago.  I knew she had been fighting cancer, but I had heard she was responding to treatment.  It is very sad to lose her.
 
All the best,
 
Bob


From shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 12 15:58:57 2008
From: shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:58:57 +0000
Subject: FW: question to R.Rankin
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05AB@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.JUN.2008.155857.0000.>

Dear Bob,
yes thank you I did hear.&nbsp; The news was passed to me by Emmon Bach, who lives much of the year over here.&nbsp; It was very sad to hear it.&nbsp; I have tried to ring her daughter who was living quite close by, but her telephones do not answer.&nbsp; She may be back over there temporarily.&nbsp; I think I am becoming reconnected to the Siouan List.
Yours
Bruce

--- On Thu, 12/6/08, Rankin, Robert L &lt;rankin at ku.edu&gt; wrote:
From: Rankin, Robert L &lt;rankin at ku.edu&gt;
Subject: RE: FW: question to R.Rankin
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Date: Thursday, 12 June, 2008, 4:33 PM

Bruce,
 
I just wanted to make sure you had heard about the death of Carolyn Quintero. 
It occurred to me that the Siouan List might not be getting forwarded to you. 
She passed away a couple of weeks ago.  I knew she had been fighting cancer,
but I had heard she was responding to treatment.  It is very sad to lose her.
 
All the best,
 
Bob


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From rankin at ku.edu  Sun Jun 15 19:07:18 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:07:18 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.
Message-ID: <SUN.15.JUN.2008.140718.0500.>

	The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob

	____________________________________

	Business owner loved mastering languages
	
	by: JENNIE LLOYD

	Tulsa World
	6/15/2008 

	LINGUIST
	Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about preserving the dying Osage language.
	
	Quintero, who spent 20 years studying, teaching and translating the Osage language into English and who also started a translation service, Inter Lingua Inc., died June 4 of cancer in Santa Monica, Calif. She was 62.
	
	Quintero was born exactly one week before Christmas 1945 to Lestine and Elmer Platter in Hominy. When she was a child, "you certainly could not wrap her birthday gift in Christmas paper," said her sister, Frances Sells of Broken Arrow.
	
	Growing up in Osage country, she heard her friends' grandmothers speaking their native language.
	
	"Every language gives you a unique look into the human mind," Quintero once said.
	
	From her first Spanish class at Hominy High School, she spent her life studying and collecting these "unique looks."
	
	She majored in French at the University of Oklahoma, but, just short of her bachelor's degree, she got married and moved with her new husband, Horacio Quintero, to his home country of Venezuela.
	
	Immersed in South American culture, Quintero picked up more Spanish and gave birth to a son and daughter.
	
	In 1980, she divorced Quintero and returned to the States. After finishing her bachelor's degree at OU, she completed a doctorate in linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. For her dissertation, she wrote about preserving the dying Osage language ?\ the words she'd heard in bits and pieces back in Hominy.
	
	Quintero moved to Tulsa in 1983 and opened Inter Lingua Inc. the next year, starting out by providing Spanish translations of business documents to Tulsa-area energy companies. She later added many other clients and languages to the mix.
	
	The University of Colorado at Boulder tapped Quintero in 1993 when it received a federal grant to study Osage in-depth.
	
	It was the project of a lifetime for Quintero, who spent years translating, researching and transcribing what she once called a "sophisticated, subtle language with lots of nuances."
	
	Quintero published two books on the language and was working on an Osage dictionary before she died.
	
	Her son, Marcos Quintero of Glenpool, recently took over running Inter Lingua after she moved to California with her fiance, Gordon Leamon. Her daughter, Anna Murdick, lives in San Raphael, Calif.
	
	It was Carolyn Quintero's dream to see the Osage people keep their language alive.
	
	"I'm not saving the language; I'm recording it," she said in 1996.
	
	"It's up to the Osages to save it."


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 01:18:07 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (jgoodtracks at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:18:07 -0500
Subject: Business owner loved mastering languages
Message-ID: <SUN.15.JUN.2008.201807.0500.>

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From ti at fa-kuan.muc.de  Mon Jun 16 08:05:18 2008
From: ti at fa-kuan.muc.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Alfred_W._T=FCting=22?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:05:18 +0200
Subject: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05B7@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.100518.0200.>

You can find this article (with photograph) here:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080615_58_A21_hOURLI772479

Alfred

Am 15.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Rankin, Robert L:

>
> 	The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob
>
> 	____________________________________
>
> 	Business owner loved mastering languages
> 	
> 	by: JENNIE LLOYD
>
> 	Tulsa World
> 	6/15/2008
>
> 	LINGUIST
> 	Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in  
> linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about  
> preserving the dying Osage language.(...)

_______________

Alfred W. Tüting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 12:05:22 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:05:22 -0500
Subject: Saturday Memorial:    Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <B42A7B09-8D65-4DEE-8937-0986DAA901C8@fa-kuan.muc.de>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.070522.0500.>

Saturday Memorial
Justin McBride Family, Linda Chamberlin (Kaw Nation Language Program) along 
with myself and my grandchildren attended Carolyn's Memorial at the Hominy, 
OK cemetery on Saturday, June 14th, at  11am.  Under bright sun, and a cool 
70s degree, a group of about 25 persons gathered.  A minister spoke a 
typical service, then Gordon Leamon, her fiancé spoke.  It was a clarifying 
moment for me as I did not know she had a fiancé for ten years, and again, 
in respect to the recent duplicate messages from "Gordon", which I could not 
comprehend thinking only of the Gordon from the Siouan group list, and the 
unlikelihood he spawned the repetitions.

John Red Eagle spoke of her contributions to the Osage Nation Language 
Program, followed by his brother who offered a prayer in the Wazhazhi 
Language.  There were several other Osage present.  I anticipate that there 
will be a forthcoming news article from the Osage, perhaps in their tribal 
newspaper.  I later meet one of the Osage Language Program representatives 
who will attend the Joplin, MO Siouan Language Conference at MSSU next 
weekend.  She mentioned to me that they "would come to listen, and observe, 
rather than speak or provide a particular contribution".  It seems that the 
majority of Osage are not aware of the pending Osage Dictionary by Oklahoma 
University Press, where I am told, it waits to be printed, having completed 
all reviews and editing.

A reception luncheon and photo slide show was held at the Quaker Friends 
Church in Hominy after the Memorial service.  As the time began to overlap 
into the traditional Osage Iroshka activities, I and the several Osage chose 
to forego the luncheon and photo presentation to return to Hominy Camp. 
However,  I was able to speak with her daughter from San Rafael, CA and her 
son Markos of Tulsa who will continue the family business Inter Lingua to 
share my personal thoughts and experiences.

For whoever may wish to share personal expressions and thoughts, I include 
the children's address and  Emails below.
Anna_Murdick at yahoo.com
Anna Quintero Murdick
28 Main Dr.
San Rafael, CA   94901
language at interlinguainc.com
Markos Quintero
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa, OK  74104-4608

Until someone who is thoroughly acquainted with Carolyn's accomplishments is 
able to write her a tribute for SSILA and other appropriate media, the Tulsa 
article will stand her well.  She was a language activist, meaning she 
advocated speaking and using language, in lieu, of simply talking about 
speaking and using language.  And thus, she did.
jgt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: ""Alfred W. Tüting"" <ti at fa-kuan.muc.de>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.


You can find this article (with photograph) here:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080615_58_A21_hOURLI772479

Alfred

Am 15.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Rankin, Robert L:

>
> The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob
>
> ____________________________________
>
> Business owner loved mastering languages
>
> by: JENNIE LLOYD
>
> Tulsa World
> 6/15/2008
>
> LINGUIST
> Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in 
> linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about 
> preserving the dying Osage language.(...)

_______________

Alfred W. Tüting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 17:49:02 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:49:02 -0500
Subject: Fw: Saturday Memorial:    Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.124902.0500.>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jimm GoodTracks" <jgoodtracks at gmail.com>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Cc: <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Saturday Memorial: Carolyn Quintero


> Saturday Memorial
> Justin McBride Family, Linda Chamberlin (Kaw Nation Language Program) 
> along with myself and my grandchildren attended Carolyn's Memorial at the 
> Hominy, OK cemetery on Saturday, June 14th, at  11am.  Under bright sun, 
> and a cool 70s degree, a group of about 25 persons gathered.  A minister 
> spoke a typical service, then Gordon Leamon, her fiancé spoke.  It was a 
> clarifying moment for me as I did not know she had a fiancé for ten years, 
> and again, in respect to the recent duplicate messages from "Gordon", 
> which I could not comprehend thinking only of the Gordon from the Siouan 
> group list, and the unlikelihood he spawned the repetitions.
>
> John Red Eagle spoke of her contributions to the Osage Nation Language 
> Program, followed by his brother who offered a prayer in the Wazhazhi 
> Language.  There were several other Osage present.  I anticipate that 
> there will be a forthcoming news article from the Osage, perhaps in their 
> tribal newspaper.  I later meet one of the Osage Language Program 
> representatives who will attend the Joplin, MO Siouan Language Conference 
> at MSSU next weekend.  She mentioned to me that they "would come to 
> listen, and observe, rather than speak or provide a particular 
> contribution".  It seems that the majority of Osage are not aware of the 
> pending Osage Dictionary by Oklahoma University Press, where I am told, it 
> waits to be printed, having completed all reviews and editing.
>
> A reception luncheon and photo slide show was held at the Quaker Friends 
> Church in Hominy after the Memorial service.  As the time began to overlap 
> into the traditional Osage Iroshka activities, I and the several Osage 
> chose to forego the luncheon and photo presentation to return to Hominy 
> Camp. However,  I was able to speak with her daughter from San Rafael, CA 
> and her son Markos of Tulsa who will continue the family business Inter 
> Lingua to share my personal thoughts and experiences.
>
> For whoever may wish to share personal expressions and thoughts, I include 
> the children's address and  Emails below.
> Anna_Murdick at yahoo.com
> Anna Quintero Murdick
> 28 Main Dr.
> San Rafael, CA   94901
> language at interlinguainc.com
> Markos Quintero
> 1711 East 15th St.
> Tulsa, OK  74104-4608
>
> Until someone who is thoroughly acquainted with Carolyn's accomplishments 
> is able to write her a tribute for SSILA and other appropriate media, the 
> Tulsa article will stand her well.  She was a language activist, meaning 
> she advocated speaking and using language, in lieu, of simply talking 
> about speaking and using language.  And thus, she did.
> jgt
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: ""Alfred W. Tüting"" <ti at fa-kuan.muc.de>
> To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.
>
>
> You can find this article (with photograph) here:
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080615_58_A21_hOURLI772479
>
> Alfred
>
> Am 15.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Rankin, Robert L:
>
>>
>> The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> Business owner loved mastering languages
>>
>> by: JENNIE LLOYD
>>
>> Tulsa World
>> 6/15/2008
>>
>> LINGUIST
>> Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in 
>> linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about 
>> preserving the dying Osage language.(...)
>
> _______________
>
> Alfred W. Tüting
> ti at fa-kuan.muc.de
>
>
>
>
>
> 


From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Tue Jun 17 12:45:41 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:45:41 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0574@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.144541.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projects we started in Billings 2006 was the Comparative Siouan Grammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
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E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu  Tue Jun 17 14:06:01 2008
From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:06:01 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <20080617124555.B40196B786@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.090601.0500.>

Aloha Johannes,
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas.
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the 
center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place).

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so.

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the 
agenda for 2009.

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the 
Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it 
and push it forward a bit.

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language 
instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the 
Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation 
Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School 
could find some value in this as well.

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin.

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe.
Uthixide

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.



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Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in 
Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, 
I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future 
conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projects we started in Billings 2006 was the 
Comparative Siouan Grammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and 
historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional 
topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards 
and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on 
Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered 
worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the 
coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on 
applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that 
correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference 
next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I 
can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such 
a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply 
for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if 
possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary 
funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 
2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to 
talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on 
the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, 
and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm

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From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Jun 17 17:53:51 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:53:51 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.125351.0500.>

This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn, provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project



Aloha Johannes, 
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place). 

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the agenda for 2009. 

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it and push it forward a bit. 

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School could find some value in this as well. 

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
Uthixide 

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 

06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
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Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projects we started in Billings 2006 was the Comparative Siouan Grammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
       ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Tue Jun 17 18:38:13 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.133813.0500.>

I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for the comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict - we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009 meeting.  

I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a reminder.

I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7 or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?

Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda.  Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  

Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!  

Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn, provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project



Aloha Johannes, 
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place). 

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the agenda for 2009. 

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it and push it forward a bit. 

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School could find some value in this as well. 

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
Uthixide 

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 

06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
Please respond to
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU


To
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
cc
Subject
Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project	

		




Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
       ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Wed Jun 18 11:24:23 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:24:23 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <4857BE450200008E0000F22F@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.132423.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to 
propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar 
(CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the 
conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the 
workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year. 

Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might 
be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full 
days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90 
minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the 
program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail. 

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John 
Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the 
topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG. 

According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the 
individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which 
does not exist yet, of course)

Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the 
names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).

Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht) 
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)

Vol II contains the following topics:

Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)

That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their 
files. 

The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a 
list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a 
project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might 
serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further. 

As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I 
knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this 
could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.

I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,

Best
Johannes



Datum:   	Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Antwort an:     	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:            	"Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
An:             	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:        	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project

> I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session
> is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for 
the
> comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict -
> we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009
> meeting.  
> 
> I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we
> should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I
> the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes
> is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone
> who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that
> was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> reminder.
> 
> I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7
> or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> 
> Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with
> confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  
> 
> Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I
> tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only
> to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!
> 
> Catherine
> 
> >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be
> the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and
> Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we
> could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> Awakuni-Swetland
> Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> 
> Aloha Johannes, 
> Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska
> (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of
> place). 
> 
> The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> 
> I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the
> agenda for 2009. 
> 
> If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on
> the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> 
> There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
> instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that
> the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha
> Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> 
> Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> 
> iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> Uthixide 
> 
> Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> and Native American Studies
> University of Nebraska
> Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> 
> http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> Phone 402-472-3455
> FAX: 402-472-9642
> 
> "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> 
> 
> 
> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
> Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> 
> 06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
> Please respond to
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> 
> 
> To
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project	
> 
> 		
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
> Joplin,MO in particular because 
> the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally
> there, I would like to make 
> some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> conferences, which may be 
> discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> 
> One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological
> and historical comparative 
> perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> additional topics filling all in all at 
> least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop
> on Siouan Comparative 
> Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> considered worthy among the participants 
> to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during
> the coming days? 
> 
> For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper
> on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall
> that correctly), so I will start to work 
> on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> conference next year.
> 
> Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only,
> if I can get funding for an 
> overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for
> such a fascinating project, but I need 
> the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to
> apply for money. Therefore, I 
> would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if
> possible for the conference in two 
> years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary
> funding. John Boyle 
> mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago
> in 2010?
> 
> Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity
> to talk about the state of the 
> art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan
> on the next steps. 
> Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> organization, and the research as much as 
> I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> 
> So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,
> 
> Best,
> Johannes
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universität Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakultät IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universitätsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> 
> 
> 


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
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From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Wed Jun 18 14:17:27 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:17:27 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.091727.0500.>

Johannes - Many thanks for the list!!

By "a whole day" I meant "at least a whole day" :-) 

Catherine

>>> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de>
06/18/08 6:24 AM >>>
Dear Siouanists,

taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to
propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar
(CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the
conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the
workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year.

Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might
be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full
days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90
minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the
program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail.

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John
Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the
topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG.

According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the
individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which
does not exist yet, of course)

Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the
names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).

Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht)
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)

Vol II contains the following topics:

Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)

That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their
files.

The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a
list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a
project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might
serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further.

As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I
knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this
could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.

I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,

Best
Johannes


From David.Rood at Colorado.EDU  Wed Jun 18 15:15:21 2008
From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:15:21 -0600
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <4858D2A80200008E0000F2F7@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.091521.0600.>

I would of course very much like to participate in this undertaking, but 
I'm not sure now exactly what I could do best -- I am so overwhelmed with 
trying to get my Wichita data in order that I don't have much time for new 
Siouan research beyond the conversational documentation efforts we're 
involved in now.  (That work is really just getting off the ground this 
summer; I'll try to keep you informed about its progress.) As for a Lakota 
language sketch, I think the one in the Smithsonian Handbook is probably 
better than anything else I could produce in the next 3-4 years -- I would 
propose exploring the re-publication of that in your volumes, unless you 
do want to dictate a common format for all the languages (maybe you could 
use that as the model??).


David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Catherine Rudin wrote:

> Johannes - Many thanks for the list!!
>
> By "a whole day" I meant "at least a whole day" :-)
>
> Catherine
>
>>>> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de>
> 06/18/08 6:24 AM >>>
> Dear Siouanists,
>
> taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to
> propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar
> (CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the
> conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the
> workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year.
>
> Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might
> be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full
> days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90
> minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the
> program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail.
>
> In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John
> Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the
> topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG.
>
> According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the
> individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which
> does not exist yet, of course)
>
> Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the
> names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).
>
> Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
> Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht)
> Determiners (?)
> Nominal Possession (?)
> t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
> Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
> Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
> Relative Clauses (?)
> Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
> Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
> Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)
>
> Vol II contains the following topics:
>
> Plural marking
> Compounding
> Noun incorporation
> Causatives (Helmbrecht)
> External Possession
> Coordination
> Subordination
> Instrumentals
> Absolutive (wa-)
> TAM
> Negation
> Serial verbs (David Rood ?)
>
> That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their
> files.
>
> The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a
> list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a
> project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might
> serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further.
>
> As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I
> knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this
> could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.
>
> I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,
>
> Best
> Johannes
>
>


From shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun 18 18:54:19 2008
From: shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:54:19 +0000
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <4857BE450200008E0000F22F@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.185419.0000.>

I'm glad to be back on the list, but sorry I can't attend this year.  However i will definitely come next year to Lincoln.  Best of luck to you all this year in Joplin
Bruce

--- On Tue, 17/6/08, Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu> wrote:
From: Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
Subject: RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Date: Tuesday, 17 June, 2008, 7:38 PM

I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session is a
good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for the comparative
Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict - we can do both
and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009 meeting.  

I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we should get
organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to Billings, and I've
forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I the only sieve-brain?) but I
do think this is important!!! If Johannes is willing to be the organizer that
would be great.  Is there someone who will be in Joplin who could bring the
list of topics/chapters that was compiled before?  (And/or could someone
circulate it electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use
a reminder.

I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have accepted
Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7 or
12-14".  Should we make a decision?

Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule,
with confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  

Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I tried to
reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only to him, not to
the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!  

Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53
PM >>>
This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be the
organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn, provide an even
stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and Mark could organize the
language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we could schedule them so that
we could all attend both.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project



Aloha Johannes, 
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the center
of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place). 

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the agenda
for 2009. 

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the
Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it and
push it forward a bit. 

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the Tribal
Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation Public School
(K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School could find some
value in this as well. 

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
Uthixide 

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
<johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 

06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
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Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there,
I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences,
which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and
historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional
topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I
would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan
Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered
worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming
days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on
applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that
correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next
year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can
get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a
fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for
money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible
for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding.
John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk
about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the
next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and
the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

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From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Tue Jun 24 15:12:00 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:12:00 -0500
Subject: Siouan Conference 2009 and 2010 and comparative grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.101200.0500.>

Minutes of the Business Meeting, Siouan Conference 2008 Joplin

(1)  Plans for next year's conference:
Place:  Lincoln, Nebraska (University of Nebraska)
Dates:  June 11-14, 2009
Host/Organizer:  Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Tentative Schedule:
June 11-12 (Thurs/Fri) Comparative Grammar Workshop II, organized by Johannes Helmbrecht
and John Boyle.
June 13-14 (Sat/Sun) Siouan Conference proper.  A portion of the meeting (probably
Saturday afternoon) will be devoted to a special session on native language teaching and
learning.

(2) Plans for 2010 conference
Place:  Chicago (Northeastern Illinois University)
Dates:  ?? Probably in June again.
Host/Organizer:  John Boyle

(3) It was suggested that the Comparative Siouan Grammar volumes should be dedicated to
the memory of Carolyn Quintero and Blair Rudes.  

That's all I've got.  Any additions or corrections?

Thanks again to Jill Greer for a valuable and enjoyable meeting!  Good to see everybody.
 I'll post a little summary of the dictionary sessions shortly.  

Catherine Rudin


From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Jun 24 19:27:23 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:27:23 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.142723.0500.>

Dear Colleagues,
 
Before we get too far along with this project, we might want to set some goals and limits.  "Comparative grammar" is a pretty flexible topic and we might want to try to specify what we mean.  Does this mean "comparative and historical" in the traditional sense?  Or are people thinking more along the lines of synchronic grammars and some sort of typological approach?  Do we intend to limit ourselves to surface grammar (that's certainly what the historical apporoach would require) or should we admit solutions that appeal to invisible/hypothetical superstructure?  It seems to me that these would be vastly different projects appealing to different kinds of evidence and information.  It's probably worth thinking about in advance.
 
Thanks to a lot of hard work by Jill and Catherine, the meeting in Joplin was a lot of fun and very informative.  I'm looking forward to next year's meeting already.  
 
Bob

________________________________

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG. 


According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which does not exist yet, of course)


Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).


Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht) 
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)


Vol II contains the following topics:


Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)


That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their files. 


The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further. 


As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.


I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,


Best
Johannes






Datum:             Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Antwort an:       siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:                 "Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
An:                   <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:             RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project


> I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session
> is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for the
> comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict -
> we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009
> meeting.  
> 
> I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we
> should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I
> the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes
> is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone
> who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that
> was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> reminder.
> 
> I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7
> or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> 
> Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with
> confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  
> 
> Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I
> tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only
> to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!
> 
> Catherine
> 
> >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be
> the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and
> Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we
> could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> Awakuni-Swetland
> Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> 
> Aloha Johannes, 
> Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska
> (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of
> place). 
> 
> The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> 
> I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the
> agenda for 2009. 
> 
> If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on
> the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> 
> There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
> instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that
> the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha
> Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> 
> Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> 
> iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> Uthixide 
> 
> Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> and Native American Studies
> University of Nebraska
> Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> 
> http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> Phone 402-472-3455
> FAX: 402-472-9642
> 
> "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> 
> 
> 
> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
> Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> 
> 06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
> Please respond to
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> 
> 
> To
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project       
> 
>                      
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
> Joplin,MO in particular because 
> the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally
> there, I would like to make 
> some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> conferences, which may be 
> discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> 
> One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological
> and historical comparative 
> perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> additional topics filling all in all at 
> least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop
> on Siouan Comparative 
> Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> considered worthy among the participants 
> to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during
> the coming days? 
> 
> For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper
> on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall
> that correctly), so I will start to work 
> on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> conference next year.
> 
> Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only,
> if I can get funding for an 
> overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for
> such a fascinating project, but I need 
> the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to
> apply for money. Therefore, I 
> would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if
> possible for the conference in two 
> years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary
> funding. John Boyle 
> mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago
> in 2010?
> 
> Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity
> to talk about the state of the 
> art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan
> on the next steps. 
> Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> organization, and the research as much as 
> I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> 
> So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,
> 
> Best,
> Johannes
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universität Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakultät IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universitätsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> 
> 
> 




--


Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 


From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Tue Jun 24 21:25:36 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:25:36 -0500
Subject: Dictionaries Roundtable summary
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.162536.0500.>

The Siouan Conference in Joplin, Missouri included a special session on making
dictionaries for Siouan languages.  This is meant as a kind of synopsis of that session
to have a record of it, as well as for people who weren't there.  My notes were somewhat
fragmentary - apologies if I've misrepresented or missed anything.

--We heard brief reports on seven dictionary projects in progress (list and quick
summaries below), organized roughly in order from least complete to most complete.

--We also noted the new dictionary of Osage by Carolyn Quintero, in press at the time of
her recent untimely death and hopefully to appear very soon; and we got to pass around
and admire a hot-off-the-presses copy of the Lakota Language Consortium's New Lakota
Dictionary.  There is a lot of recent activity in the Siouan dictionary field and
several very impressive new dictionaries underway or recently completed.

--The individual project presentations were followed by a general discussion as planned
(summary below), but we ran out of time and didn't get to the planned discussion of
technological issues.  Oh well!  

Project Reports:
1.  Omaha and Ponca
Mark Awakuni-Swetland and Catherine Rudin recently received a DEL grant to create a
dictionary based on J.O. Dorsey's Omaha/Ponca slipfiles.  Rory Larson is also involved
in the grant project.  Mark presented some background on the slip files, the plans to
create digital images from them, and conversion of the information on them into an
on-line dictionary.  There was some discussion of orthography to be used.

2.  Biloxi
David Kaufman is currently working on a revised Biloxi-English / English-Biloxi
dictionary.  He handed out sample pages of the dictionary and discussed how he is making
it more user-friendly than available materials.

3. Kaw (Kansa) and Comparative Siouan
Robert Rankin presented "Some remarks on instrumental verb lexemes in a Kansa
dictionary".  The partially unpredictable meaning of combinations of instrumental prefix
+ verb root makes it necessary (or at least preferable) for dictionaries of individual
Siouan languages to list stems rather than roots.  This point was illustrated with
examples from Bob's Kansa dictionary in progress.  On the other hand, historical
dictionaries should list reconstructed roots, not complex stems, since combinations of
prefix + root may have arisen independently in various languages.  

4.  Crow
Randy Graczyk described the Crow dictionary project which was begun by Ray Gordon in the
late '60's.  Randy has continued  to add new material from various sources, so it now
has some 5,000 Crow-to-English entries.  Randy handed out sample pages of both his
dictionary and the Dictionary of Everyday Crow, and discussed some technical issues
including the field labels used in the database, marking of verb classes, and raised
several questions about how best to proceed from here (paper vs. electronic publication;
stem vs. whole-word entries, etc.)

5. Hidatsa
John Boyle showed us the Hidatsa wordlist he has been working on.  At the moment it
consists of words with glosses, but eventually the words will be clickable links leading
to grammatical and other information.   

6.  Ioway-Otoe-Missouria
Jimm Goodtracks has been working (under auspices of a 3-year DEL grant) on an unabridged
encyclopedic Dictionary, revising and expanding his 1992 IOM Dictionary.  Jimm handed
out a page of sample entries and discussed issues of orthography, and the inclusion of
cultural material, related words, clan names, and other ways of making the dictionary
useful to the community.

7.  Hoocak
Iren Hartmann passed around sections of the recently completed dictionary of Hoocak, to
appear from SUNY press.  The dictionary is part of a Volkswagen funded Hoocak language
project.  Her handouts illustrated the database field structure used in preparing the
dictionary, Hoocak-English and English-Hoocak entries, semantic classification/thesaurus
and word frequency list.

Discussion:
General discussion focused on what information dictionaries should include.  
--Depends on users; not everyone will want all possible information.  But including more
is better than less, at least in databases (option of printing only some fields to
create dictionaries for specific purposes).  
--Training in using the dictionary may be valuable for teachers/other users.
--Format matters.  Electronic dictionaries can have more information and can always be
updated; book dictionaries are "a one shot deal" and will have issues of
space/size/printing cost.

A core set of information to be included seems to be pretty well agreed on.  All the
presenters in the first session included (or hope/plan someday to include) mos of the
same information.  We reinforced this by making a list on the board, as follows.  Some
of these are more basic and crucial than others; some generated some discussion.  But
I'm just listing them here without comment.

Entries should include:
word
homonym number
glosses
example sentences or phrases
grammatical class and/or conjugated forms
source (document or speaker; inventor if new word, indication of degree of certainty)
semantic domain
literal meaning/breakdown of compounds or other complex lexemes
idioms, compounds, collocations, or names using the word
function (e.g. imperative)
Cultural notes
other notes - usage, gender, history/etymology, variant forms (dialectal, idiolectal,
older/newer, etc.)
related words or congnates

Front matter should include:
explanation of grammatical class labels and other information in entries
explanation of orthography / pronunciation guide (and of alphabetization)
source list
some type of grammar sketch.

Pictures/illustrations are nice - we briefly discussed creating your own vs. getting
permissions, issues of memory and space, cost for publishers, etc.  

All the Siouan dictionaries are bilingual; there was some discussion of whether
monolingual dictionaries (with definitions in the native language) would be desirable or
feasible.  

There was some discussion of long-term archiving options for preserving dictionary
databases; APA and Max-Planck Institute were mentioned.

There was some discussion of orthography as a general issue (not necessarily just for
dictionaries).  

John Boyle volunteered to set up a clearinghouse web page with links to all the
dictionary sites presented at the workshop and other useful / related sites. 


From shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 19:04:04 2008
From: shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:04:04 +0000
Subject: Dictionaries Roundtable summary
In-Reply-To: <486120000200008E0000F963@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.25.JUN.2008.190404.0000.>

Dear all,
I'm sorry I couldn't come this year.  It looks as though it was a very interesting session.  I shall definitely be there in Nebraska next year.  regards to all
Bruce

--- On Tue, 24/6/08, Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu> wrote:
From: Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
Subject: Dictionaries Roundtable summary
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Date: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008, 10:25 PM

The Siouan Conference in Joplin, Missouri included a special session on making
dictionaries for Siouan languages.  This is meant as a kind of synopsis of that
session
to have a record of it, as well as for people who weren't there.  My notes
were somewhat
fragmentary - apologies if I've misrepresented or missed anything.

--We heard brief reports on seven dictionary projects in progress (list and
quick
summaries below), organized roughly in order from least complete to most
complete.

--We also noted the new dictionary of Osage by Carolyn Quintero, in press at
the time of
her recent untimely death and hopefully to appear very soon; and we got to pass
around
and admire a hot-off-the-presses copy of the Lakota Language Consortium's
New Lakota
Dictionary.  There is a lot of recent activity in the Siouan dictionary field
and
several very impressive new dictionaries underway or recently completed.

--The individual project presentations were followed by a general discussion as
planned
(summary below), but we ran out of time and didn't get to the planned
discussion of
technological issues.  Oh well!  

Project Reports:
1.  Omaha and Ponca
Mark Awakuni-Swetland and Catherine Rudin recently received a DEL grant to
create a
dictionary based on J.O. Dorsey's Omaha/Ponca slipfiles.  Rory Larson is
also involved
in the grant project.  Mark presented some background on the slip files, the
plans to
create digital images from them, and conversion of the information on them into
an
on-line dictionary.  There was some discussion of orthography to be used.

2.  Biloxi
David Kaufman is currently working on a revised Biloxi-English / English-Biloxi
dictionary.  He handed out sample pages of the dictionary and discussed how he
is making
it more user-friendly than available materials.

3. Kaw (Kansa) and Comparative Siouan
Robert Rankin presented "Some remarks on instrumental verb lexemes in a
Kansa
dictionary".  The partially unpredictable meaning of combinations of
instrumental prefix
+ verb root makes it necessary (or at least preferable) for dictionaries of
individual
Siouan languages to list stems rather than roots.  This point was illustrated
with
examples from Bob's Kansa dictionary in progress.  On the other hand,
historical
dictionaries should list reconstructed roots, not complex stems, since
combinations of
prefix + root may have arisen independently in various languages.  

4.  Crow
Randy Graczyk described the Crow dictionary project which was begun by Ray
Gordon in the
late '60's.  Randy has continued  to add new material from various
sources, so it now
has some 5,000 Crow-to-English entries.  Randy handed out sample pages of both
his
dictionary and the Dictionary of Everyday Crow, and discussed some technical
issues
including the field labels used in the database, marking of verb classes, and
raised
several questions about how best to proceed from here (paper vs. electronic
publication;
stem vs. whole-word entries, etc.)

5. Hidatsa
John Boyle showed us the Hidatsa wordlist he has been working on.  At the
moment it
consists of words with glosses, but eventually the words will be clickable
links leading
to grammatical and other information.   

6.  Ioway-Otoe-Missouria
Jimm Goodtracks has been working (under auspices of a 3-year DEL grant) on an
unabridged
encyclopedic Dictionary, revising and expanding his 1992 IOM Dictionary.  Jimm
handed
out a page of sample entries and discussed issues of orthography, and the
inclusion of
cultural material, related words, clan names, and other ways of making the
dictionary
useful to the community.

7.  Hoocak
Iren Hartmann passed around sections of the recently completed dictionary of
Hoocak, to
appear from SUNY press.  The dictionary is part of a Volkswagen funded Hoocak
language
project.  Her handouts illustrated the database field structure used in
preparing the
dictionary, Hoocak-English and English-Hoocak entries, semantic
classification/thesaurus
and word frequency list.

Discussion:
General discussion focused on what information dictionaries should include.  
--Depends on users; not everyone will want all possible information.  But
including more
is better than less, at least in databases (option of printing only some fields
to
create dictionaries for specific purposes).  
--Training in using the dictionary may be valuable for teachers/other users.
--Format matters.  Electronic dictionaries can have more information and can
always be
updated; book dictionaries are "a one shot deal" and will have issues
of
space/size/printing cost.

A core set of information to be included seems to be pretty well agreed on. 
All the
presenters in the first session included (or hope/plan someday to include) mos
of the
same information.  We reinforced this by making a list on the board, as
follows.  Some
of these are more basic and crucial than others; some generated some
discussion.  But
I'm just listing them here without comment.

Entries should include:
word
homonym number
glosses
example sentences or phrases
grammatical class and/or conjugated forms
source (document or speaker; inventor if new word, indication of degree of
certainty)
semantic domain
literal meaning/breakdown of compounds or other complex lexemes
idioms, compounds, collocations, or names using the word
function (e.g. imperative)
Cultural notes
other notes - usage, gender, history/etymology, variant forms (dialectal,
idiolectal,
older/newer, etc.)
related words or congnates

Front matter should include:
explanation of grammatical class labels and other information in entries
explanation of orthography / pronunciation guide (and of alphabetization)
source list
some type of grammar sketch.

Pictures/illustrations are nice - we briefly discussed creating your own vs.
getting
permissions, issues of memory and space, cost for publishers, etc.  

All the Siouan dictionaries are bilingual; there was some discussion of whether
monolingual dictionaries (with definitions in the native language) would be
desirable or
feasible.  

There was some discussion of long-term archiving options for preserving
dictionary
databases; APA and Max-Planck Institute were mentioned.

There was some discussion of orthography as a general issue (not necessarily
just for
dictionaries).  

John Boyle volunteered to set up a clearinghouse web page with links to all the
dictionary sites presented at the workshop and other useful / related sites.


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From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Thu Jun 26 11:56:25 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:56:25 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05CE@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.26.JUN.2008.135625.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

Bob touches quite fundamental questions with regard to the Comparative Siouan Grammar project and I 
think it would be helpful for the entire project but also for each individual contributor and contribution if we 
find some answers to these questions in advance. 

My personal view on this is the following. First of all, I think the overall goal is to describe the 
morphosyntactic diversity among the Siouan languages. Most of us are experts for just one or two of the 
Siouan languages, but have only a cursory knowledge of the other SL. Or, we perceive SL through the 
glasses of the better documented SL like Lakhota. Such a project forces us to look deeper into the other SL 
at least with regard to a certain grammatical domain. My hope and conviction is that the more we know 
about the divers grammatical categories and constructions among the SL the better we can investigate and 
describe the language we are already experts in. Perhaps, we find new things in our "own" language if we 
know more about the other SL. So, "comparative" in my view means primarily diversity (and uniformity(?)) 
among SL. This is of course close to what typologist do with the difference that our sample of languages is 
limited and that we can also start with certain grammatical categories and construction we already know that 
they are prominent in SL. 

This typologically biased view on "comparative" does not preclude the historical perspective. On the 
contrary, we are all interested in the question how the various categories and constructions historically 
emerged even if we can reconstruct this only on the basis of the contemporary SL. The ideal would be that 
we could combine both perspectives on "comparative" in our individual contributions. Since I am not a 
historical linguist, I would of course have difficulties to reconstruct forms in a deepness and quality as Bob, 
David, and others could do it. So, in my own contributions this perspective would remain somewhat weak. 

On the last point mentioned in Bob's mail, I can comment on pretty shortly. I have no interest in invisible 
underlying structures or superstructures or aim to proof certain rather abstract models of grammar with data 
from SL. I think, many of us share this view, so I do not see a problem here too.

I regret, that I could not attend the conference in Joplin, but I am looking forward to the nest year's 
conference in Lincoln.

Best 
Johannes



Datum:	Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:27:23 -0500
Antwort an:	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:	"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
An:	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project

> Dear Colleagues,
>  
> Before we get too far along with this project, we might want to set
> some goals and limits.  "Comparative grammar" is a pretty flexible
> topic and we might want to try to specify what we mean.  Does this
> mean "comparative and historical" in the traditional sense?  Or are
> people thinking more along the lines of synchronic grammars and some
> sort of typological approach?  Do we intend to limit ourselves to
> surface grammar (that's certainly what the historical apporoach would
> require) or should we admit solutions that appeal to
> invisible/hypothetical superstructure?  It seems to me that these
> would be vastly different projects appealing to different kinds of
> evidence and information.  It's probably worth thinking about in
> advance.
>  
> Thanks to a lot of hard work by Jill and Catherine, the meeting in
> Joplin was a lot of fun and very informative.  I'm looking forward to
> next year's meeting already.  
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and
> John Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized
> the topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG.
> 
> 
> According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of
> the individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme
> (which does not exist yet, of course)
> 
> 
> Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention
> also the names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).
> 
> 
> Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
> Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes
> Helmbrecht) 
> Determiners (?)
> Nominal Possession (?)
> t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
> Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
> Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
> Relative Clauses (?)
> Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
> Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
> Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)
> 
> 
> Vol II contains the following topics:
> 
> 
> Plural marking
> Compounding
> Noun incorporation
> Causatives (Helmbrecht)
> External Possession
> Coordination
> Subordination
> Instrumentals
> Absolutive (wa-)
> TAM
> Negation
> Serial verbs (David Rood ?)
> 
> 
> That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in
> their files. 
> 
> 
> The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather
> a list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such
> a project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It
> might serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further.
> 
> 
> As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me
> if I knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So,
> perhaps, this could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.
> 
> 
> I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,
> 
> 
> Best
> Johannes
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Datum:             Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
> Antwort an:       siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Von:                 "Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
> An:                   <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
> Betreff:             RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> > I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors'
> session
> > is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for
> the
> > comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict
> -
> > we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the
> 2009
> > meeting.  
> > 
> > I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and
> we
> > should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> > Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am
> I
> > the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If
> Johannes
> > is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there
> someone
> > who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters
> that
> > was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> > electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> > reminder.
> > 
> > I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> > accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June
> 5-7
> > or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> > 
> > Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule,
> with
> > confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> > Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever. 
> > 
> > Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me. 
> I
> > tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone
> only
> > to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to
> it!
> > 
> > Catherine
> > 
> > >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> > This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to
> be
> > the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> > provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds),
> and
> > Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully
> we
> > could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
> >  
> > Bob
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> > Awakuni-Swetland
> > Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> > Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Aloha Johannes, 
> > Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> > I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln,
> Nebraska
> > (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort
> of
> > place). 
> > 
> > The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> > 
> > I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding
> the
> > agenda for 2009. 
> > 
> > If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three
> on
> > the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> > formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> > 
> > There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards
> language
> > instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect
> that
> > the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful.
> Omaha
> > Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> > Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> > 
> > Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> > 
> > iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> > Uthixide 
> > 
> > Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> > and Native American Studies
> > University of Nebraska
> > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> > 
> > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> > Phone 402-472-3455
> > FAX: 402-472-9642
> > 
> > "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> > <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
> > Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> > 
> > 06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
> > Please respond to
> > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> > 
> > 
> > To
> > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> > cc
> > Subject
> > Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project       
> > 
> >                      
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Siouanists,
> > 
> > I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC
> in
> > Joplin,MO in particular because 
> > the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be
> personally
> > there, I would like to make 
> > some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> > conferences, which may be 
> > discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> > 
> > One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> > Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a
> typological
> > and historical comparative 
> > perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> > additional topics filling all in all at 
> > least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> > afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> > new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up
> workshop
> > on Siouan Comparative 
> > Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> > considered worthy among the participants 
> > to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question
> during
> > the coming days? 
> > 
> > For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my
> paper
> > on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> > addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I
> recall
> > that correctly), so I will start to work 
> > on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> > conference next year.
> > 
> > Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next
> only,
> > if I can get funding for an 
> > overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular
> for
> > such a fascinating project, but I need 
> > the conference details some months in advance in order to be able
> to
> > apply for money. Therefore, I 
> > would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and
> if
> > possible for the conference in two 
> > years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the
> necessary
> > funding. John Boyle 
> > mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in
> Chicago
> > in 2010?
> > 
> > Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good
> opportunity
> > to talk about the state of the 
> > art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to
> plan
> > on the next steps. 
> > Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> > organization, and the research as much as 
> > I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> > 
> > So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in
> Joplin,
> > 
> > Best,
> > Johannes
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> > Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> > Universität Regensburg
> > Philosophische Fakultät IV 
> > Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> > Universitätsstr. 31
> > 93053 Regensburg
> > Deutschland
> > 
> > Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
> >        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> > Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> > E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> > Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universität Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakultät IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universitätsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>         ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 
> 


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From jmcbride at kawnation.com  Fri Jun  6 16:01:20 2008
From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (Justin McBride)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:01:20 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.110120.0500.>

I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
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From Granta at edgehill.ac.uk  Fri Jun  6 16:05:01 2008
From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:05:01 +0100
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.170501.0100.>

This is dreadful news!  I never met her but she was extremely helpful to me when I was writing a paper on early Dhegiha spelling systems.  My thoiughts are with her family and feiends.

Anthony

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 5:01 pm >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx 
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com 
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html

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From rwd0002 at unt.edu  Fri Jun  6 16:56:19 2008
From: rwd0002 at unt.edu (rwd0002 at unt.edu)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:56:19 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.115619.0500.>

That is very sad, my prayers are with her family.

I had the pleasure of meeting Carolyn several times, last time at the 
wonderful Siouan Conference at Kaw Nation a few years ago.  We talked 
and traded some Siouanist ling. and anthro. books.  Her Osage Grammar 
is a tribute to her diplomatic fieldwork skills, and to her attention 
to linguistic detail, in working with a language with unfortunately so 
very few speakers...   A great loss for Siouanist and especially Osage 
linguistics.

Willem de Reuse


Quoting Justin McBride <jmcbride at kawnation.com>:

> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
> Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have 
> only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
>
>


From mary.marino at usask.ca  Fri Jun  6 17:33:07 2008
From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Marino)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:33:07 -0600
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.113307.0600.>

I am deeply sorry and shocked to hear this. I only got to know Carolyn 
when I shared rooms with her and Linda Cumberland at the Siouan/Caddoan 
Conference in Billings. I had looked forward to seeing her and hearing 
from her in years to come. Her passing is a huge loss.

Mary Marino

Justin McBride wrote:
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
> Quintero passed away this week. I know none of the details. I have 
> only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
> **** 
> <http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx>*http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx*
> *Hominy* ? Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa 
> Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell.
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services 
> would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans. I will 
> keep checking, though, and post more when I can. If you would like to 
> call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK 74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com <mailto:jmcbride at kawnation.com>
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html <http://www.kawnation.com/langhome.html>


From tmleonard at cox.net  Fri Jun  6 17:38:31 2008
From: tmleonard at cox.net (Tom Leonard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:38:31 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.123831.0500.>

Somebody tell me this is a very bad dream.

Carolyn was a teacher and a friend. It is a sad day indeed.

Tom Leonard

Justin McBride wrote:
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
> Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have 
> only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
>  
> *http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx*
> *Hominy* --- Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa 
> Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell.
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services 
> would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will 
> keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to 
> call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
>  
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
>  
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK  74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com <mailto:jmcbride at kawnation.com>
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html <http://www.kawnation.com/langhome.html>
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From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu  Fri Jun  6 17:54:50 2008
From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:54:50 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.125450.0500.>

I'm heartbroken to hear this.  In a circle of extraordinary people, I 
remember her as one of the most delightful.

Rory





"Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
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Carolyn Quintero






I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn 
Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only 
seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
 
http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy ? Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, 
Calif. Services pending. Powell. 
I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services 
would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will 
keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to 
call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
 
My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
 
Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html

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From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Fri Jun  6 18:54:28 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:54:28 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.135428.0500.>

Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
some remembrances of her?  
Catherine

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


From rankin at ku.edu  Fri Jun  6 20:42:21 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:42:21 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.154221.0500.>

I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero



Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
some remembrances of her? 
Catherine

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
World:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
pending. Powell.

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


From tmleonard at cox.net  Fri Jun  6 21:57:12 2008
From: tmleonard at cox.net (Tom Leonard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:57:12 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.165712.0500.>

I agree with Bob. Maybe someone can suggest to Oklahoma Univ. Press that 
NOW would be a good time to get off their niN'de (surprise: they've been 
dragging their heels for several years).

Rankin, Robert L wrote:
> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.
>  
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
> Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero
>
>
>
> Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
> wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
> conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
> some remembrances of her? 
> Catherine
>
>   
>>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
>>>>         
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
> away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
> World:
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
> Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
> pending. Powell.
>
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
> they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
> when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
>
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
>
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK  74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
>
>
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From linguista at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 00:09:19 2008
From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:09:19 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <4849B2B8.5000009@cox.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.JUN.2008.190919.0500.>

Carolyn was one of the friendliest and most helpful people I ever met in my
thus far rather short academic career. I remember really being surprised by
how helpful she was, how interested she was in my ideas, how many ideas of
her own she had. I had no idea she was doing poorly. I guess, as Bob said,
she didn't want us worrying about her.

Things just won't be the same without her.

- Bryan
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From pustetrm at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 09:56:20 2008
From: pustetrm at yahoo.com (REGINA PUSTET)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 02:56:20 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c7ee$971e7a40$1f21a8c0@LANGDIRECTOR>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.025620.0700.>

What a tragedy. I still can't believe it. Although I've met Carolyn at Siouan&Caddoan conferences only, there was quite some exchange of ideas between us. Her devotion to the Osage language project was admirable, and so is her scientific output. She will be missed, both as a scholar and as the fun person and great colleague she was.
  Regina


Justin McBride <jmcbride at kawnation.com> wrote:          I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:
   
  http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
  Hominy ? Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

  I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
   
  My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
   
  Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


       
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From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu  Sat Jun  7 14:39:28 2008
From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:39:28 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.093928.0500.>

> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, 
and that she was "just finishing [it] up":

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, 
I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she 
must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be 
invaluable to preserve.

Rory
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From rankin at ku.edu  Sat Jun  7 15:24:20 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:24:20 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.102420.0500.>

I would hope that she (and any academic researcher) would have appointed a literary executor in her will.  I'm sure some sort of arrangements must have been made, since I know she wanted both linguists and the Osage people to have access to the information she collected.  
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Rory M Larson
Sent: Sat 6/7/2008 9:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero



> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be invaluable to preserve. 

Rory 


From tmleonard at cox.net  Sat Jun  7 15:35:02 2008
From: tmleonard at cox.net (Tom Leonard)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:35:02 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0591@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.103502.0500.>

Just received word that there will be a Memorial Service for Carolyn on 
Saturday, June 14th, 11:00 a.m., at the cemetery pavilion in Hominy, 
OK.  I believe there will be a meal following the service, but the folks 
are still working out the details.

 


From kdshea at aol.com  Sat Jun  7 22:36:25 2008
From: kdshea at aol.com (Kathleen Shea)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:36:25 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SAT.7.JUN.2008.173625.0500.>

I, too, am stunned and very saddened by this news.  Carolyn was a good friend and a valued colleague.  We were only a few months apart in age, and I considered her to be like a sister.  She will be very much missed by all.

Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Justin McBride 
  To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:01 AM
  Subject: Carolyn Quintero


  I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

  http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
  Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

  I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

  My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

  Justin McBride
  Language Director
  Kaw Nation
  Drawer 50
  Kaw City, OK  74641
  PH (580) 269-1199
  FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
  jmcbride at kawnation.com
  www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
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From cbloom at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jun  7 23:08:08 2008
From: cbloom at ozemail.com.au (Clive Bloomfield)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:08:08 +1000
Subject: Sad news
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.090808.1000.>

Dear List members,

I did not have the privilege of knowing Carolyn personally, but her  
scholarship commands the utmost respect.

To pass on at the young age of 62 years, is to leave this life far  
too early, at the height of one's mature powers.

My ancestors would have said in their Irish language :

Go raibh s? ar dheis D? cho?chin, agus ceol na n-aingeal ina dh? cluais!

May she be seated at the right hand of God forever, and with the  
music of the angels in her ears!


May I extend my sincere condolences, first to Carolyn's family, and  
then to all Siouan List members, who have clearly lost a treasured  
colleague.

Ave atque vale, Carolina,

from Clive Bloomfield.


From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:38:44 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:38:44 -0700
Subject: My New Address
In-Reply-To: <01MV8SYPKR2S8WWPYH@sask.usask.ca>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.123844.0700.>

Mary - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104
 
2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803
 
tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com

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Subject: My New Address

Hello,

Your message has been automatically forwarded to my new address which is:

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At your earliest convenience, please update your addressbook/contacts
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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:39:35 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:39:35 -0700
Subject: Code talkers.
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E056A@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.123935.0700.>

To whom - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Rankin, Robert L
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:22 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: Code talkers.

 

Dear Mrs. Stabler,

 

I haven't forgotten you.  I keep finding things in the texts that need to be
"fixed".  I've done about the correcting that I'm ambitious enough to do, so
I'll try to get you a CD of the texts out in the next few days.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bob Rankin

 

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Vida Stabler
Sent: Mon 5/5/2008 10:48 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Code talkers.

You are kind.  My address is Vida Stabler, Umo^n ho^n Nation Public
Schoool, Umo^n ho^n Language & Cultural Center, Box
280, Macy, Nebraska 68039
Wibthaho^n , VSS
Rankin, Robert L wrote:
> Dear Mrs. Stabler,
> 
> If you don't have access to an email address that readily accepts
attachments, why don't you send me your postal address and I'll just fire
off a copy of the Dorsey texts to you on a disk.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bob R.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Vida Stabler
> Sent: Thu 5/1/2008 2:58 PM
> To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
> Subject: Re: Code talkers.
>
>
>
> Mr. Tom Leonard, sounds like you were really blessed to know these men.
> Vida
>
> Tom Leonard wrote:
>  
>> FYI -
>>
>> Charles Chibitty, the last survivor of 20 Comanche code talkers who
>> used their native language to transmit messages for the Allies in
>> Europe during World War II died in July 2005. He was 83.
>>
>> "/It's strange, but growing up as a child I was forbidden to speak my
>> native language at school," Chibitty said in 2002. "Later my country
>> asked me to. My language helped win the war and that makes me very
>> proud. Very proud./"
>>
>> I knew Charlie (he lived nearby, here in Tulsa) Forrest Kassanavoid,
>> and a few of the others. They were ALL great guys...real gentlemen. It
>> was a honor to know them and to have the opportunity to visit with them.
>>
>> Some further info here:
>> HYPERLINK
"http://www.comanchelanguage.org/Comanche%20Code%20Talkers.htm"http://www.co
manchelanguage.org/Comanche%20Code%20Talkers.htm
>>
>> HYPERLINK
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_
talker
>>
>>
>>
>> Rankin, Robert L wrote:
>>    
>>> Interesting.  All this stuff should be collected and the principals
interviewed to the extent that it's still possible.  The participants didn't
want to talk about it for a long time because it was "classified", but that
is no longer the case (although I suppose interviewers should get a letter
from the Pentagon saying so).
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Justin McBride
>>> Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 11:39 AM
>>> To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
>>> Subject: Re: Code talkers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to a code talker reception in Oklahoma City a year or two ago. I
>>> heard something I'd never considered before. There have been several
>>> instances in wars past in which two or more fluent tribal language
speakers
>>> from the same community happened to be in the same batch of soldiers
(unit,
>>> platoon, or whatever). In those cases, speakers were not infrequently
called
>>> upon to communicate by way of their shared language, especially in
>>> close-fighting situations where the shouting of tactical orders may have
>>> been overheard by enemy troops that may have knowledge of English.
Soldiers
>>> who did this sort of thing weren't code talkers per se, and have never
been
>>> recognized for their contributions to the war effort.
>>>
>>> I recently heard that there were a few Kaw "code talkers," and ever
since
>>> that reception I've wondered if the designation may have actually
referred
>>> to this phenomenon of impromptu tribal language use in combat settings.
I
>>> wanted to ask one of those guys who was supposedly such a talker,
Houston
>>> Taylor, but he recently passed away. I guess these guys, however heroic,
>>> aren't getting any younger.
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
>>> To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Code talkers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd guess that, over time, the "code(s)" could have been broken.  As
several
>>> have said, any language can be reduced to its grammar.  In the case of
the
>>> American Indian languages, they were used as tactical codes, not
strategic
>>> codes, as far as I know.  The latter are used for diplomatic and general
>>> staff, etc. communications, and it was those that our cryptanalysts had
the
>>> best luck with against the Japanese and Germans.  Even if the Japanese
had
>>> painfully learned Navajo (or Seminole, Choctaw, Omaha, Comanche, etc.),
they
>>> would have had to be able to understand the language spoken rapidly by
>>> native speakers under battlefield conditions.  How many of us could do
that
>>> with the Siouan languages we've studied for so many years!?  As an
aside, I
>>> don't think the alleged "difficulties" of the Navajo language had much
of
>>> anything to do with its success as a code.
>>>
>>> On top of the language there was a fairly simple substitution code with
>>> different words for various military terms, and they would have had to
be
>>> decrypted too.  All in all, it was a terrifically efficient system, and
the
>>> participants deserve all of the credit that has been bestowed on them,
>>> however belatedly.
>>>
>>> The contribution of the Navajos has become pretty well known, but I
think
>>> someone should try to interview any left who were from other tribes --
in
>>> any war.  And, if not them, then their living relatives.  There's
definitely
>>> a book to be written there, and who better to write it than someone with
>>> roots in the Native American community or a linguist?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>      
>
>
>
>  


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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:45:47 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:45:47 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <OF7A7A16F8.2D4F1F87-ON86257461.004E6D22-86257461.005084AF@unl.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.124547.0700.>

Rory - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU] On Behalf Of Rory M Larson
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero

 


> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and
that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know,
I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she
must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be
invaluable to preserve. 

Rory 

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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:47:27 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:47:27 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <812219.14918.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.124727.0700.>

All - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU] On Behalf Of REGINA PUSTET
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 2:56 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero

 

What a tragedy. I still can't believe it. Although I've met Carolyn at
Siouan&Caddoan conferences only, there was quite some exchange of ideas
between us. Her devotion to the Osage language project was admirable, and so
is her scientific output. She will be missed, both as a scholar and as the
fun person and great colleague she was.

Regina



Justin McBride <jmcbride at kawnation.com> wrote: 

I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn
Quintero passed away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only
seen her obituary in the Tulsa World:

 

HYPERLINK
"http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx"http://www.tulsawor
ld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx

Hominy ? Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica,
Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would
be held, but they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep
checking, though, and post more when I can.  If you would like to call
Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.

 

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

 

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
HYPERLINK "mailto:jmcbride at kawnation.com"jmcbride at kawnation.com
HYPERLINK
"http://www.kawnation.com/langhome.html"www.kawnation.com/langhome.html

 

  
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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:48:27 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:48:27 -0700
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.124827.0700.>

Bob - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU] On Behalf Of Rankin, Robert L
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero

 

I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer
for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting
over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.
Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary
has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it
appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her
scholarship.

 

Bob

 

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero

Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden
- Carolyn
wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming
Siouan
conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there
to share
some remembrances of her? 
Catherine

>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn
Quintero passed
away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary
in the Tulsa
World:

HYPERLINK
"http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx"http://www.tulsawor
ld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica,
Calif. Services
pending. Powell.

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would
be held, but
they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though,
and post more
when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918)
885-2128.

My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.

Justin McBride
Language Director
Kaw Nation
Drawer 50
Kaw City, OK  74641
PH (580) 269-1199
FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
jmcbride at kawnation.com
www.kawnation.com/langhome.html


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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:55:57 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:55:57 -0700
Subject: Siouan / Caddoan Conference hotel
In-Reply-To: <482DA053.A34A.000B.0@MSSU.EDU>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.125557.0700.>

Jill - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104
 
2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803
 
tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Jill Greer
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:55 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Siouan / Caddoan Conference hotel

Hi, all,

Just a brief correction -  I have been urging folks to quickly make their
reservations for the conference , but after speaking with the Baymont
manager today, she said that she will hold that block of rooms for us until
June 7th, so that gives a few of you more breathing room to get your funding
requests through the wheels of bureaucracy in time.    

I apologize for the mistake.  I hope that everyone remembers to tell them it
is for the Siouan conference, or else they may not be getting the right
rate.  

Anyone else who is planning to attend but not present a paper, I would
appreciate hearing from you also in the next week or so...

It's looking like a great list of events -   thank you all for getting
things in to Catherine Rudin and me!  

Best,
Jill

Jill D. Greer
Assistant Professor
Social Science Department
MSSU
Joplin, MO 64801





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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 19:57:58 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:57:58 -0700
Subject: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable
In-Reply-To: <000e01c8b4d5$8e8c4410$6501a8c0@pchonza>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.125758.0700.>

Jan - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of Jan Ullrich
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:44 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable

 

 

 

Bob,

 

I am happy you like the sample pages and hope that you will find the entire
dictionary useful.

 

> Will it be available on CD so that it can be searched 

> by machine, or is it to be printed only?  

 

The dictionary is currently available only in printed form. 

An electronic version is going to be our next project. We are planning to
record all of the headwords and perhaps all example sentences, and include
the audio on the CD. We already have several native speakers interested in
working on this project. 

For the electronic version, however, we have to solve many issues of parsing
Lakota, because we would like to enable the users to search for any form of
a word, not just for its lemma. Creating such parser will be the more
difficult part of the project. But not less exciting.

 

Jan

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rankin, Robert L [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of
Rankin, Robert L
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:49 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable

Jan,

 

Just looked at the sample pages and it looks terrific!  I'm looking forward
to getting one.  Will it be available on CD so that it can be searched by
machine, or is it to be printed only?  We'll miss you at the roundtable.

 

Best,

 

Bob

 


   _____  


From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Jan Ullrich
Sent: Mon 5/12/2008 2:16 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: RE: SACC2009 dictionary roundtable

Hi, everyone,

and sorry for the late reply to this topic. I have been out of office
for several weeks.
I would love to participate in the dictionary roundtable but am unable
to attend the conference due to my teaching/research schedule in South
Dakota.
I hope the roundtable participants can take a look at the sample pages
from the New Lakota Dictionary and examine them. I would be very happy
to hear any comments and critique. The sample pages are at:
HYPERLINK
"http://www.lakhota.org/downloads/pdf/Sample_NLD.pdf"http://www.lakhota.org/
downloads/pdf/Sample_NLD.pdf

I was going to write a little announcement on the dictionary but I am
glad David did that instead of me. Also, Jim Good Tracks just forwarded
the announcement I wrote for the lexicography list.

With best regards

Jan




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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 20:02:10 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:02:10 -0700
Subject: Frida Hahn
In-Reply-To: <52193FE8-F635-4002-B9C8-362552B14BBE@fa-kuan.muc.de>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.130210.0700.>

Alfred - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104
 
2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803
 
tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of "Alfred W. T?ting"
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:45 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Frida Hahn

Hello,
this is an interesting topic here and worth going into it.
As already mentioned by others, the first name's spelling (Frida  
instead of Frieda) might suggest Eastern European descent (Cyrillic,  
Yiddish-Hebrew transliteration - or maybe also Hungarian, Romanian  
etc. spelling convention). I'd go for Jewish ancestry.

As a young prosecutor dealing with NS-crimes back in the seventies one  
of our main sources had been "(Bad) Arolsen" i.e. that ITS  
Internationaler Suchdienst (International Tracing Service). Only  
recently, ITS Arolsen IS NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, which means that  
historians or scholars like you are allowed to do researches there.

Here is a link to their website: http://www.its-arolsen.org/english/

and an article about the archive:
http://www.focus.de/panorama/diverses/holocaust-archiv-weltgroesstes-holocau
st-archiv-in-bad-arolsen-eroeffnet_aid_298570.html

Best regards

Alfred

_______________

Alfred W. T?ting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de








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From BARudes at aol.com  Sun Jun  8 20:05:41 2008
From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:05:41 EDT
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.160541.EDT.>



 
In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:02:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jmcbride at kawnation.com writes:

ntero passed away this week.  I know none of  the details.  I have only seen 
her obituary in the Tulsa  World:
 
_http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx_ 
(http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx) 
Hominy ? Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in  Santa Monica, 
Calif. Services pending. Powell. 

I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy,  OK, to find out when services would 
be held, but they said the family has  yet to make plans.  I will keep 
checking, though, and post more when  I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you 
can reach them at (918)  885-2128.
 
My prayers go out to her family and all those  whose lives she touched.
 
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From BARudes at aol.com  Sun Jun  8 20:07:48 2008
From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:07:48 EDT
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.160748.EDT.>





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From BARudes at aol.com  Sun Jun  8 20:08:45 2008
From: BARudes at aol.com (Blair Rudes)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:08:45 EDT
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.160845.EDT.>

I am Blair Rudes' relative and have seen the many notes re Carolyn  
Quintero's passing



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From cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 20:25:52 2008
From: cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net (Carolyn Quintero)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:25:52 -0700
Subject: another Siouan question
In-Reply-To: <925340.15754.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.132552.0700.>

Regina - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at 11am.
Gordon

 

 

Carolyn Quintero, PhD

Inter Lingua, Inc.

1711 East 15th St.

Tulsa OK 74104

 

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2

Long Beach CA 90803

 

tel 918 852 9860

cquintero at interlinguainc.com

   _____  

From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of REGINA PUSTET
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:14 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: another Siouan question

 

The animacy issue can be resolved if we assume, as I have suggsted a few
messages ago, that kichi- is the "real" reciprocal and ichi- is simply a
prefix that indicates, loosely speaking, contact etc. I wasn't even sure
that ichi- is a person marker (in the sense that it occupies the slots for
person marking in the verb) when I looked at my own data, and now that I've
seen Jan's last example, I'm even less sure. kichi-, on the oher hand, is a
person marker, and it also inflects for person (yechi- second person,
uNkichi- first person). ichi- does not inflect for person, as far as I know.
As a genuine reciprocal marker, kichi- can be expected primarily with
animates because animates are the entities in the universe that usually 'do'
things to each other, while inanimates are normalyy inert. So this might
explain strong statistical correlations of animates with kichi- in texts and
other corpora.

Regina

shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

My impression with the -ichi- versus -kichi- is that when reciprocal the
ichi- occurs with inanimates and that the kichi- usually with animates.  Is
that the case with your examples Jan?  This looks a little bit as though we
have a verb class division rather as in Cree  and perhaps other Algonquian
languages, where verb types, but not necessarily stems, are specialized for
animate or inanimate subject (maybe agent).  This would mean that basically
ichi- is inanimate reciprocal as in ichihkoyaka 'be linked to each other'
ichipawega 'cross over each other', ichicawinga 'go back on the previous one
(of paths)' , but if you have an animate agent, the reciprocity is born by
the objects (patients?) as in ichiwanyanka 'compare, see one in relation to
another', ichipasisa 'pin one to the other' etc.  Similarly icihipasisa
could mean 'be pinned to each other' if the subject was inanimate.
Bruce

Bruce

Jan Ullrich <jfu at centrum.cz> wrote: 

 

(quoating Regina)

>>  iyeciNkyaNke ki ichi-yaphapi  'the cars bumped into each other, in an
accident' 

>>  a-kichi-phapi  'they hit each other' 

 

>I would argue that these don't represent a minimal pair. ichi-yaphapi comes
from ichi + >iyapha whicle akichiphapi originates in aphA and kichi-.

 

That's what I was trying to say, if you agree that kichi- is the reciprocal
marker here. 

 

I am not sure I follow, Can you explain?

 

Jan

 


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From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 22:21:10 2008
From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:21:10 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.152110.0700.>

Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
   
  Dave

       
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From pankihtamwa at earthlink.net  Sun Jun  8 22:24:31 2008
From: pankihtamwa at earthlink.net (David Costa)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:24:31 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.152431.0700.>

Yup. And I got the three emails from Blair Rudes, which was also  
pretty weird.

I expect to start getting emails from Voegelin or Dorsey any minute now.

David C

>
> Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically  
> generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email  
> address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific  
> individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
> Dave
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From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 22:31:03 2008
From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:31:03 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <8594F168-1DFC-469E-855F-2D0DB4A8112D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.153103.0700.>

The third one from Blair Rude's address said it was a relative, so that could be authentic, but I'm a little suspicious about all the others....
   
  Dave

David Costa <pankihtamwa at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Yup. And I got the three emails from Blair Rudes, which was also pretty weird.   

  I expect to start getting emails from Voegelin or Dorsey any minute now.
  

  David C
  
      

  Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
   
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From shanwest at shaw.ca  Sun Jun  8 22:44:57 2008
From: shanwest at shaw.ca (Shannon West)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:44:57 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.154457.0700.>

I suspect that someone set up an auto-responder on her email so they 
didn't have to personally reply to all her mail. They're identical, 
right down to the name + dash in the greeting. It wouldn't be hard to 
script that so that it would put the first name of the recipient in the email.

It appears to be taking the response name out of the headers, and 
replying to the reply-to. This is going to happen until someone 
unsubscribes her email address from the list (John?)

Shannon

At 03:21 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically 
>generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email 
>address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific 
>individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
>Dave
>
>
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From mary.marino at usask.ca  Sun Jun  8 23:34:16 2008
From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Marino)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:34:16 -0600
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.173416.0600.>

David Kaufman wrote:
> Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically 
> generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  
> I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in 
> the past couple of hours.  ??
>  
> Dave
I have received them too.
Mary


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 03:47:40 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:47:40 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0591@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.JUN.2008.224740.0500.>

We just returned from Grey Horse Iroshka Dances, where an Osage acquaintance said he overheard some Osage elders speaking in Wazhazhi (Osage) that Caroline had died, and that it was a huge loss.  Immediately, I preferred to disbelieve the totally unexpected thought, until I could see something posted on the list.  This evening the list messages have confirm this dreaded report.  Earlier in the day, (Saturday), I had collected several items from the Drum Keepers Committee Feast Saturday at noon, with the thought to give these items to Caroline at the forthcoming Joplin Conference.  These items from the Grey Horse Drum Keeper Committee in part featured the new Osage orthography script.   Now they sit for want of a direction to proceed.

I was among those who became acquainted with Carolyn in the early 1980s in Tulsa, OK when her interest in Osage were sparked by Robert Bristow, likely the most articulate non-professional Osage linguist and speaker at the time, followed by her dedicated work in his memory and that of the various Osage Elders with whom she worked.

It is ironic, it seems to me, that her sudden and unanticipated passing was no less as shocking as Roberts' equally sudden and untimely passing at an early age.  I am uplifted by this shared feeling amongst the whole Siouan list group to honor her in some special way at the conference in Joplin, as well as thoughts to follow through to completion on her Osage Dictionary.

Speaking for myself, I will indeed miss her, our occassions of conversing in Spanish, her encouragements, her support.  Her private conversations and advise continue to fuel my own devotion.  Tonight the light of the Siouan Language communities is less bright in the shadow of her passing and absence from our group.
 
I just received a note that there are to be services next Saturday morning at the Hominy cemetery.  That is an appropriate weekend as the Hominy Osage Iroshka ceremonial Dances will be motion and where she attended on numerous occasions.  While those unfamiliar with the Iroshka Society, it is a prayer event as well as a social and cultural event.  Doubtlessly she and her immediate family will be apart of all the prayers rendered.

I pray indeed that her work and contributions live on for the highest good of all concerned.
Respectfully,
Jimm GT
 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero


I would hope that she (and any academic researcher) would have appointed a literary executor in her will.  I'm sure some sort of arrangements must have been made, since I know she wanted both linguists and the Osage people to have access to the information she collected.  
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Rory M Larson
Sent: Sat 6/7/2008 9:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero



> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be invaluable to preserve. 

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From ti at fa-kuan.muc.de  Mon Jun  9 07:12:59 2008
From: ti at fa-kuan.muc.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Alfred_W._T=FCting=22?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:12:59 +0200
Subject: Carolyn Quintero R.I.P.
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.091259.0200.>

Dear list members,

although it's an automatically generated message below, the news is  
nonetheless a really depressing one!
Let me express my heartfelt condolence with Carolyn Quintero's family,  
the Osage community and all of you.
May her work be continued!

Der Tod ist gro?
Wir sind die Seinen
Lachenden Munds.
Wenn wir uns mitten im Leben meinen,
Wagt er zu weinen
Mitten in uns.

(Schlu?st?ck - Rainer Maria Rilke)


Alfred



Alfred - It is my sad job to inform you that Carolyn passed away this  
last
Wednesday.  Her memorial service will be in Hominy, OK, on June 14 at  
11am.
Gordon

Carolyn Quintero, PhD
Inter Lingua, Inc.
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa OK 74104

2105 East Ocean Blvd #2
Long Beach CA 90803

tel 918 852 9860
cquintero at interlinguainc.com
_______________

Alfred W. T?ting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de






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From Granta at edgehill.ac.uk  Mon Jun  9 09:25:46 2008
From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:25:46 +0100
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <8594F168-1DFC-469E-855F-2D0DB4A8112D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.102546.0100.>

I think you should hold out for Frank La Flesche.  Or John Lawson or John Bradbury.  

>>> David Costa <pankihtamwa at earthlink.net> 06/08/08 11:24 pm >>>
Yup. And I got the three emails from Blair Rudes, which was also  
pretty weird.

I expect to start getting emails from Voegelin or Dorsey any minute now.

David C

>
> Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically  
> generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email  
> address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific  
> individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
> Dave
>


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From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:29:39 +0100
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <387698.67573.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.102939.0100.>

I got 9 automated emails, plus 3 with Blair's name in them, all within the space of 55 minutes.  It's unsettling, to say the least.  I've never known anything like it before. 

Anthony

>>> David Kaufman <dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com> 06/08/08 11:21 pm >>>
Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
   
  Dave

       

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From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 11:23:35 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:23:35 -0500
Subject: Fw: Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.062335.0500.>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jimm GoodTracks 
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero


We just returned from Grey Horse Iroshka Dances, where an Osage acquaintance said he overheard some Osage elders speaking in Wazhazhi (Osage) that Caroline had died, and that it was a huge loss.  Immediately, I preferred to disbelieve the totally unexpected thought, until I could see something posted on the list.  This evening the list messages have confirm this dreaded report.  Earlier in the day, (Saturday), I had collected several items from the Drum Keepers Committee Feast Saturday at noon, with the thought to give these items to Caroline at the forthcoming Joplin Conference.  These items from the Grey Horse Drum Keeper Committee in part featured the new Osage orthography script.   Now they sit for want of a direction to proceed.

I was among those who became acquainted with Carolyn in the early 1980s in Tulsa, OK when her interest in Osage were sparked by Robert Bristow, likely the most articulate non-professional Osage linguist and speaker at the time, followed by her dedicated work in his memory and that of the various Osage Elders with whom she worked.

It is ironic, it seems to me, that her sudden and unanticipated passing was no less as shocking as Roberts' equally sudden and untimely passing at an early age.  I am uplifted by this shared feeling amongst the whole Siouan list group to honor her in some special way at the conference in Joplin, as well as thoughts to follow through to completion on her Osage Dictionary.

Speaking for myself, I will indeed miss her, our occassions of conversing in Spanish, her encouragements, her support.  Her private conversations and advise continue to fuel my own devotion.  Tonight the light of the Siouan Language communities is less bright in the shadow of her passing and absence from our group.

I just received a note that there are to be services next Saturday morning at the Hominy cemetery.  That is an appropriate weekend as the Hominy Osage Iroshka ceremonial Dances will be motion and where she attended on numerous occasions.  While those unfamiliar with the Iroshka Society, it is a prayer event as well as a social and cultural event.  Doubtlessly she and her immediate family will be apart of all the prayers rendered.

I pray indeed that her work and contributions live on for the highest good of all concerned.
Respectfully,
Jimm GT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero


I would hope that she (and any academic researcher) would have appointed a literary executor in her will.  I'm sure some sort of arrangements must have been made, since I know she wanted both linguists and the Osage people to have access to the information she collected.  
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Rory M Larson
Sent: Sat 6/7/2008 9:39 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: RE: Carolyn Quintero



> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting 
> cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want 
> them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she 
> was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I 
> hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then 
> we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and 
> the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.

I agree.  The last thing she said about it on the list is from April 27, and that she was "just finishing [it] up": 

> Catherine, 
> I would be happy to participate in this roundtable. As some of you know, I'm
> just finishing up an Osage Dictionary, to be published soon.
> Thanks,
> Carolyn

Also, I wonder about her notes.  She was *the* person for Osage, and she must have a great deal of unpublished primordial material that would be invaluable to preserve. 

Rory 

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From rankin at ku.edu  Mon Jun  9 15:45:35 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:45:35 -0500
Subject: Multiple emails
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.104535.0500.>

Shannon is right on the money.  The automated messages will continue until John Koontz reads his email -- which he has not been doing.  Messages to his workplace bounce.  Someone in Boulder will probably need to phone him.  And he should remove Blair from the list at the same time.  Until then, just ignore the messages.  Gordon (Carolyn's friend) and Blair's relative are just trying to be helpful.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Shannon West
Sent: Sun 6/8/2008 5:44 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Multiple emails



I suspect that someone set up an auto-responder on her email so they
didn't have to personally reply to all her mail. They're identical,
right down to the name + dash in the greeting. It wouldn't be hard to
script that so that it would put the first name of the recipient in the email.

It appears to be taking the response name out of the headers, and
replying to the reply-to. This is going to happen until someone
unsubscribes her email address from the list (John?)

Shannon

At 03:21 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically
>generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email
>address?  I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific
>individuals in the past couple of hours.  ??
>
>Dave
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG.
>Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1490 - Release Date:
>6/8/2008 5:32 PM


From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  9 16:03:06 2008
From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:03:06 -0700
Subject: Multiple emails
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E059E@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.090306.0700.>

Hi all,
   
  Let me say that I did not have the pleasure of knowing Carolyn, but I wish I had seeing all of the messages from other Siouanists about her.  I do have a copy of her Osage Grammar, which I find to be a stellar academic work.
   
  I did have the pleasure of knowing Blair, but unfortunately all too briefly.  My PhD work will focus on an Algonquian language, Mohegan, and Blair had already been very helpful in giving me background on the languages.  I miss his support and helpful advice.
   
  I hope that for the sake of Siouan and linguistic scholarship, their works in progress (Osage, Catawba, Virginian Algonquian) will be passed on to someone who can get them published in their memory.
   
  Dave

"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:
  Shannon is right on the money. The automated messages will continue until John Koontz reads his email -- which he has not been doing. Messages to his workplace bounce. Someone in Boulder will probably need to phone him. And he should remove Blair from the list at the same time. Until then, just ignore the messages. Gordon (Carolyn's friend) and Blair's relative are just trying to be helpful.

Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Shannon West
Sent: Sun 6/8/2008 5:44 PM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Multiple emails



I suspect that someone set up an auto-responder on her email so they
didn't have to personally reply to all her mail. They're identical,
right down to the name + dash in the greeting. It wouldn't be hard to
script that so that it would put the first name of the recipient in the email.

It appears to be taking the response name out of the headers, and
replying to the reply-to. This is going to happen until someone
unsubscribes her email address from the list (John?)

Shannon

At 03:21 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone else been getting multiple seemingly automatically
>generated emails about Carolyn's passing from her own email
>address? I think I have gotten at least 10 addressed to specific
>individuals in the past couple of hours. ??
>
>Dave
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG.
>Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1490 - Release Date:
>6/8/2008 5:32 PM





       
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From David.Rood at Colorado.EDU  Mon Jun  9 16:46:55 2008
From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:46:55 -0600
Subject: Multiple emails and Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <MON.9.JUN.2008.104655.0600.>

I called John Koontz's office this morning and left a voicemail message 
for him.  I hope the multiple emails will soon stop.

I have been mulling over what I wanted to say in response to Justin's very 
sad news about Carolyn, and I can't figure out how to express myself. 
Obviously it was a surprise and a shock to everyone, as well as to me.  I 
think Jimm's response is as close to what I would say as anything.  I, 
too, met her when she and Robert Bristow were working together on Osage. 
She was a student at the Univ. of Massachusetts then, and wanted to write 
a grammar of Osage as her dissertation.  But in those days lingusitics 
departments of the UMass type were not accepting descriptive 
dissertations, so she just stopped trying for a while.  In the mid 1980s I 
successfully got a grant for her to continue her Osage work, and that 
resulted in the first draft of her grammar, which by then was also 
accepted as her dissertation for her PhD degree.  All this time, of 
course, we were communicating about both academic and financial issues.  I 
found her extremely flexible, but also astute both as a linguist and as a 
businesswoman.  She made the grant money go a long way.  Her dedication to 
the work, and to preserving Robert Bristow's efforts as well, was 
unwavering.  I can only begin to guess how much I'm going to miss her.

David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


From mary.marino at usask.ca  Tue Jun 10 19:10:05 2008
From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Marino)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:10:05 -0600
Subject: Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0590@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.JUN.2008.131005.0600.>

Somebody should write an obituary for LinguistList.

Mary Marino


Rankin, Robert L wrote:
> I was expecting to see her in Joplin.  I knew she had been fighting cancer for some time and didn't tell people because she didn't want them fretting over her, but the last I heard, about 9 mo. ago, she was improving.  Something must have gone wrong rather quickly.  I hope her Osage dictionary has gone to press.  If it has not, then we should take steps to make sure it appears as planned.  It and the grammar will be lasting monuments to her scholarship.
>  
> Bob
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Catherine Rudin
> Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 1:54 PM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero
>
>
>
> Like everyone else, I'm saddened and shocked.  It must have been very sudden - Carolyn
> wrote just a few weeks ago and was planning to participate in the upcoming Siouan
> conference/dictionary workshop.  Maybe we can set aside a few minutes there to share
> some remembrances of her? 
> Catherine
>
>   
>>>> "Justin McBride" <jmcbride at kawnation.com> 06/06/08 11:01 AM >>>
>>>>         
> I am very sorry to report that our dear friend and colleague Carolyn Quintero passed
> away this week.  I know none of the details.  I have only seen her obituary in the Tulsa
> World:
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/transitions/deathnotices.aspx
> Hominy - Carolyn Platter Quintero, 62, died Wednesday in Santa Monica, Calif. Services
> pending. Powell.
>
> I called Powell Funeral Home in Hominy, OK, to find out when services would be held, but
> they said the family has yet to make plans.  I will keep checking, though, and post more
> when I can.  If you would like to call Powell, you can reach them at (918) 885-2128.
>
> My prayers go out to her family and all those whose lives she touched.
>
> Justin McBride
> Language Director
> Kaw Nation
> Drawer 50
> Kaw City, OK  74641
> PH (580) 269-1199
> FX (580) 269-2301 attn Language
> jmcbride at kawnation.com
> www.kawnation.com/langhome.html
>
>
>   


From rankin at ku.edu  Thu Jun 12 15:33:31 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:33:31 -0500
Subject: FW: question to R.Rankin
Message-ID: <THU.12.JUN.2008.103331.0500.>

Bruce,
 
I just wanted to make sure you had heard about the death of Carolyn Quintero.  It occurred to me that the Siouan List might not be getting forwarded to you.  She passed away a couple of weeks ago.  I knew she had been fighting cancer, but I had heard she was responding to treatment.  It is very sad to lose her.
 
All the best,
 
Bob


From shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun 12 15:58:57 2008
From: shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:58:57 +0000
Subject: FW: question to R.Rankin
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05AB@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.JUN.2008.155857.0000.>

Dear Bob,
yes thank you I did hear.&nbsp; The news was passed to me by Emmon Bach, who lives much of the year over here.&nbsp; It was very sad to hear it.&nbsp; I have tried to ring her daughter who was living quite close by, but her telephones do not answer.&nbsp; She may be back over there temporarily.&nbsp; I think I am becoming reconnected to the Siouan List.
Yours
Bruce

--- On Thu, 12/6/08, Rankin, Robert L &lt;rankin at ku.edu&gt; wrote:
From: Rankin, Robert L &lt;rankin at ku.edu&gt;
Subject: RE: FW: question to R.Rankin
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Date: Thursday, 12 June, 2008, 4:33 PM

Bruce,
 
I just wanted to make sure you had heard about the death of Carolyn Quintero. 
It occurred to me that the Siouan List might not be getting forwarded to you. 
She passed away a couple of weeks ago.  I knew she had been fighting cancer,
but I had heard she was responding to treatment.  It is very sad to lose her.
 
All the best,
 
Bob


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From rankin at ku.edu  Sun Jun 15 19:07:18 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:07:18 -0500
Subject: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.
Message-ID: <SUN.15.JUN.2008.140718.0500.>

	The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob

	____________________________________

	Business owner loved mastering languages
	
	by: JENNIE LLOYD

	Tulsa World
	6/15/2008 

	LINGUIST
	Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about preserving the dying Osage language.
	
	Quintero, who spent 20 years studying, teaching and translating the Osage language into English and who also started a translation service, Inter Lingua Inc., died June 4 of cancer in Santa Monica, Calif. She was 62.
	
	Quintero was born exactly one week before Christmas 1945 to Lestine and Elmer Platter in Hominy. When she was a child, "you certainly could not wrap her birthday gift in Christmas paper," said her sister, Frances Sells of Broken Arrow.
	
	Growing up in Osage country, she heard her friends' grandmothers speaking their native language.
	
	"Every language gives you a unique look into the human mind," Quintero once said.
	
	From her first Spanish class at Hominy High School, she spent her life studying and collecting these "unique looks."
	
	She majored in French at the University of Oklahoma, but, just short of her bachelor's degree, she got married and moved with her new husband, Horacio Quintero, to his home country of Venezuela.
	
	Immersed in South American culture, Quintero picked up more Spanish and gave birth to a son and daughter.
	
	In 1980, she divorced Quintero and returned to the States. After finishing her bachelor's degree at OU, she completed a doctorate in linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. For her dissertation, she wrote about preserving the dying Osage language ?\ the words she'd heard in bits and pieces back in Hominy.
	
	Quintero moved to Tulsa in 1983 and opened Inter Lingua Inc. the next year, starting out by providing Spanish translations of business documents to Tulsa-area energy companies. She later added many other clients and languages to the mix.
	
	The University of Colorado at Boulder tapped Quintero in 1993 when it received a federal grant to study Osage in-depth.
	
	It was the project of a lifetime for Quintero, who spent years translating, researching and transcribing what she once called a "sophisticated, subtle language with lots of nuances."
	
	Quintero published two books on the language and was working on an Osage dictionary before she died.
	
	Her son, Marcos Quintero of Glenpool, recently took over running Inter Lingua after she moved to California with her fiance, Gordon Leamon. Her daughter, Anna Murdick, lives in San Raphael, Calif.
	
	It was Carolyn Quintero's dream to see the Osage people keep their language alive.
	
	"I'm not saving the language; I'm recording it," she said in 1996.
	
	"It's up to the Osages to save it."


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 01:18:07 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (jgoodtracks at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:18:07 -0500
Subject: Business owner loved mastering languages
Message-ID: <SUN.15.JUN.2008.201807.0500.>

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From ti at fa-kuan.muc.de  Mon Jun 16 08:05:18 2008
From: ti at fa-kuan.muc.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Alfred_W._T=FCting=22?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:05:18 +0200
Subject: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05B7@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.100518.0200.>

You can find this article (with photograph) here:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080615_58_A21_hOURLI772479

Alfred

Am 15.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Rankin, Robert L:

>
> 	The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob
>
> 	____________________________________
>
> 	Business owner loved mastering languages
> 	
> 	by: JENNIE LLOYD
>
> 	Tulsa World
> 	6/15/2008
>
> 	LINGUIST
> 	Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in  
> linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about  
> preserving the dying Osage language.(...)

_______________

Alfred W. T?ting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 12:05:22 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:05:22 -0500
Subject: Saturday Memorial:    Carolyn Quintero
In-Reply-To: <B42A7B09-8D65-4DEE-8937-0986DAA901C8@fa-kuan.muc.de>
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.070522.0500.>

Saturday Memorial
Justin McBride Family, Linda Chamberlin (Kaw Nation Language Program) along 
with myself and my grandchildren attended Carolyn's Memorial at the Hominy, 
OK cemetery on Saturday, June 14th, at  11am.  Under bright sun, and a cool 
70s degree, a group of about 25 persons gathered.  A minister spoke a 
typical service, then Gordon Leamon, her fianc? spoke.  It was a clarifying 
moment for me as I did not know she had a fianc? for ten years, and again, 
in respect to the recent duplicate messages from "Gordon", which I could not 
comprehend thinking only of the Gordon from the Siouan group list, and the 
unlikelihood he spawned the repetitions.

John Red Eagle spoke of her contributions to the Osage Nation Language 
Program, followed by his brother who offered a prayer in the Wazhazhi 
Language.  There were several other Osage present.  I anticipate that there 
will be a forthcoming news article from the Osage, perhaps in their tribal 
newspaper.  I later meet one of the Osage Language Program representatives 
who will attend the Joplin, MO Siouan Language Conference at MSSU next 
weekend.  She mentioned to me that they "would come to listen, and observe, 
rather than speak or provide a particular contribution".  It seems that the 
majority of Osage are not aware of the pending Osage Dictionary by Oklahoma 
University Press, where I am told, it waits to be printed, having completed 
all reviews and editing.

A reception luncheon and photo slide show was held at the Quaker Friends 
Church in Hominy after the Memorial service.  As the time began to overlap 
into the traditional Osage Iroshka activities, I and the several Osage chose 
to forego the luncheon and photo presentation to return to Hominy Camp. 
However,  I was able to speak with her daughter from San Rafael, CA and her 
son Markos of Tulsa who will continue the family business Inter Lingua to 
share my personal thoughts and experiences.

For whoever may wish to share personal expressions and thoughts, I include 
the children's address and  Emails below.
Anna_Murdick at yahoo.com
Anna Quintero Murdick
28 Main Dr.
San Rafael, CA   94901
language at interlinguainc.com
Markos Quintero
1711 East 15th St.
Tulsa, OK  74104-4608

Until someone who is thoroughly acquainted with Carolyn's accomplishments is 
able to write her a tribute for SSILA and other appropriate media, the Tulsa 
article will stand her well.  She was a language activist, meaning she 
advocated speaking and using language, in lieu, of simply talking about 
speaking and using language.  And thus, she did.
jgt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: ""Alfred W. T?ting"" <ti at fa-kuan.muc.de>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.


You can find this article (with photograph) here:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080615_58_A21_hOURLI772479

Alfred

Am 15.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Rankin, Robert L:

>
> The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob
>
> ____________________________________
>
> Business owner loved mastering languages
>
> by: JENNIE LLOYD
>
> Tulsa World
> 6/15/2008
>
> LINGUIST
> Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in 
> linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about 
> preserving the dying Osage language.(...)

_______________

Alfred W. T?ting
ti at fa-kuan.muc.de


From jgoodtracks at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 17:49:02 2008
From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:49:02 -0500
Subject: Fw: Saturday Memorial:    Carolyn Quintero
Message-ID: <MON.16.JUN.2008.124902.0500.>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jimm GoodTracks" <jgoodtracks at gmail.com>
To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Cc: <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Saturday Memorial: Carolyn Quintero


> Saturday Memorial
> Justin McBride Family, Linda Chamberlin (Kaw Nation Language Program) 
> along with myself and my grandchildren attended Carolyn's Memorial at the 
> Hominy, OK cemetery on Saturday, June 14th, at  11am.  Under bright sun, 
> and a cool 70s degree, a group of about 25 persons gathered.  A minister 
> spoke a typical service, then Gordon Leamon, her fianc? spoke.  It was a 
> clarifying moment for me as I did not know she had a fianc? for ten years, 
> and again, in respect to the recent duplicate messages from "Gordon", 
> which I could not comprehend thinking only of the Gordon from the Siouan 
> group list, and the unlikelihood he spawned the repetitions.
>
> John Red Eagle spoke of her contributions to the Osage Nation Language 
> Program, followed by his brother who offered a prayer in the Wazhazhi 
> Language.  There were several other Osage present.  I anticipate that 
> there will be a forthcoming news article from the Osage, perhaps in their 
> tribal newspaper.  I later meet one of the Osage Language Program 
> representatives who will attend the Joplin, MO Siouan Language Conference 
> at MSSU next weekend.  She mentioned to me that they "would come to 
> listen, and observe, rather than speak or provide a particular 
> contribution".  It seems that the majority of Osage are not aware of the 
> pending Osage Dictionary by Oklahoma University Press, where I am told, it 
> waits to be printed, having completed all reviews and editing.
>
> A reception luncheon and photo slide show was held at the Quaker Friends 
> Church in Hominy after the Memorial service.  As the time began to overlap 
> into the traditional Osage Iroshka activities, I and the several Osage 
> chose to forego the luncheon and photo presentation to return to Hominy 
> Camp. However,  I was able to speak with her daughter from San Rafael, CA 
> and her son Markos of Tulsa who will continue the family business Inter 
> Lingua to share my personal thoughts and experiences.
>
> For whoever may wish to share personal expressions and thoughts, I include 
> the children's address and  Emails below.
> Anna_Murdick at yahoo.com
> Anna Quintero Murdick
> 28 Main Dr.
> San Rafael, CA   94901
> language at interlinguainc.com
> Markos Quintero
> 1711 East 15th St.
> Tulsa, OK  74104-4608
>
> Until someone who is thoroughly acquainted with Carolyn's accomplishments 
> is able to write her a tribute for SSILA and other appropriate media, the 
> Tulsa article will stand her well.  She was a language activist, meaning 
> she advocated speaking and using language, in lieu, of simply talking 
> about speaking and using language.  And thus, she did.
> jgt
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: ""Alfred W. T?ting"" <ti at fa-kuan.muc.de>
> To: <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Carolyn Quintero from the Tulsa paper.
>
>
> You can find this article (with photograph) here:
>
> http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080615_58_A21_hOURLI772479
>
> Alfred
>
> Am 15.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Rankin, Robert L:
>
>>
>> The Tulsa World version apparently has a photograph also.   Bob
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> Business owner loved mastering languages
>>
>> by: JENNIE LLOYD
>>
>> Tulsa World
>> 6/15/2008
>>
>> LINGUIST
>> Carolyn Quintero: She wrote a dissertation for her doctorate in 
>> linguistics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst about 
>> preserving the dying Osage language.(...)
>
> _______________
>
> Alfred W. T?ting
> ti at fa-kuan.muc.de
>
>
>
>
>
> 


From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Tue Jun 17 12:45:41 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:45:41 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E0574@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.144541.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projects we started in Billings 2006 was the Comparative Siouan Grammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu  Tue Jun 17 14:06:01 2008
From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:06:01 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <20080617124555.B40196B786@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.090601.0500.>

Aloha Johannes,
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas.
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the 
center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place).

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so.

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the 
agenda for 2009.

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the 
Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it 
and push it forward a bit.

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language 
instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the 
Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation 
Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School 
could find some value in this as well.

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin.

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe.
Uthixide

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" 
<johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
06/17/2008 07:50 AM
Please respond to
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU


To
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
cc

Subject
Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project






Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in 
Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, 
I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future 
conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projects we started in Billings 2006 was the 
Comparative Siouan Grammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and 
historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional 
topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards 
and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on 
Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered 
worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the 
coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on 
applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that 
correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference 
next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I 
can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such 
a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply 
for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if 
possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary 
funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 
2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to 
talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on 
the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, 
and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm

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From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Jun 17 17:53:51 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:53:51 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.125351.0500.>

This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn, provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project



Aloha Johannes, 
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place). 

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the agenda for 2009. 

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it and push it forward a bit. 

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School could find some value in this as well. 

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
Uthixide 

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 

06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
Please respond to
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU


To
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
cc
Subject
Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project	

		




Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projects we started in Billings 2006 was the Comparative Siouan Grammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
       ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Tue Jun 17 18:38:13 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.17.JUN.2008.133813.0500.>

I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for the comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict - we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009 meeting.  

I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a reminder.

I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7 or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?

Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda.  Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  

Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!  

Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn, provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project



Aloha Johannes, 
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place). 

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the agenda for 2009. 

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it and push it forward a bit. 

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School could find some value in this as well. 

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
Uthixide 

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 

06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
Please respond to
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU


To
siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
cc
Subject
Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project	

		




Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there, I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences, which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding. John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
       ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Wed Jun 18 11:24:23 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:24:23 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <4857BE450200008E0000F22F@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.132423.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to 
propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar 
(CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the 
conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the 
workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year. 

Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might 
be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full 
days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90 
minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the 
program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail. 

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John 
Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the 
topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG. 

According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the 
individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which 
does not exist yet, of course)

Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the 
names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).

Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht) 
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)

Vol II contains the following topics:

Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)

That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their 
files. 

The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a 
list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a 
project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might 
serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further. 

As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I 
knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this 
could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.

I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,

Best
Johannes



Datum:   	Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Antwort an:     	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:            	"Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
An:             	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:        	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project

> I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session
> is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for 
the
> comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict -
> we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009
> meeting.  
> 
> I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we
> should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I
> the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes
> is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone
> who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that
> was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> reminder.
> 
> I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7
> or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> 
> Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with
> confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  
> 
> Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I
> tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only
> to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!
> 
> Catherine
> 
> >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be
> the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and
> Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we
> could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> Awakuni-Swetland
> Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> 
> Aloha Johannes, 
> Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska
> (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of
> place). 
> 
> The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> 
> I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the
> agenda for 2009. 
> 
> If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on
> the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> 
> There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
> instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that
> the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha
> Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> 
> Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> 
> iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> Uthixide 
> 
> Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> and Native American Studies
> University of Nebraska
> Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> 
> http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> Phone 402-472-3455
> FAX: 402-472-9642
> 
> "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> 
> 
> 
> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
> Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> 
> 06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
> Please respond to
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> 
> 
> To
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project	
> 
> 		
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
> Joplin,MO in particular because 
> the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally
> there, I would like to make 
> some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> conferences, which may be 
> discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> 
> One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological
> and historical comparative 
> perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> additional topics filling all in all at 
> least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop
> on Siouan Comparative 
> Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> considered worthy among the participants 
> to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during
> the coming days? 
> 
> For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper
> on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall
> that correctly), so I will start to work 
> on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> conference next year.
> 
> Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only,
> if I can get funding for an 
> overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for
> such a fascinating project, but I need 
> the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to
> apply for money. Therefore, I 
> would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if
> possible for the conference in two 
> years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary
> funding. John Boyle 
> mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago
> in 2010?
> 
> Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity
> to talk about the state of the 
> art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan
> on the next steps. 
> Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> organization, and the research as much as 
> I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> 
> So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,
> 
> Best,
> Johannes
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universit?t Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universit?tsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> 
> 
> 


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
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From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Wed Jun 18 14:17:27 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:17:27 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.091727.0500.>

Johannes - Many thanks for the list!!

By "a whole day" I meant "at least a whole day" :-) 

Catherine

>>> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de>
06/18/08 6:24 AM >>>
Dear Siouanists,

taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to
propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar
(CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the
conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the
workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year.

Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might
be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full
days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90
minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the
program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail.

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John
Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the
topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG.

According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the
individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which
does not exist yet, of course)

Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the
names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).

Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht)
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)

Vol II contains the following topics:

Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)

That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their
files.

The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a
list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a
project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might
serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further.

As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I
knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this
could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.

I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,

Best
Johannes


From David.Rood at Colorado.EDU  Wed Jun 18 15:15:21 2008
From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:15:21 -0600
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <4858D2A80200008E0000F2F7@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.091521.0600.>

I would of course very much like to participate in this undertaking, but 
I'm not sure now exactly what I could do best -- I am so overwhelmed with 
trying to get my Wichita data in order that I don't have much time for new 
Siouan research beyond the conversational documentation efforts we're 
involved in now.  (That work is really just getting off the ground this 
summer; I'll try to keep you informed about its progress.) As for a Lakota 
language sketch, I think the one in the Smithsonian Handbook is probably 
better than anything else I could produce in the next 3-4 years -- I would 
propose exploring the re-publication of that in your volumes, unless you 
do want to dictate a common format for all the languages (maybe you could 
use that as the model??).


David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Catherine Rudin wrote:

> Johannes - Many thanks for the list!!
>
> By "a whole day" I meant "at least a whole day" :-)
>
> Catherine
>
>>>> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de>
> 06/18/08 6:24 AM >>>
> Dear Siouanists,
>
> taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to
> propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar
> (CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the
> conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the
> workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year.
>
> Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might
> be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full
> days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90
> minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the
> program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail.
>
> In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John
> Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the
> topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG.
>
> According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the
> individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which
> does not exist yet, of course)
>
> Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the
> names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).
>
> Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
> Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht)
> Determiners (?)
> Nominal Possession (?)
> t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
> Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
> Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
> Relative Clauses (?)
> Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
> Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
> Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)
>
> Vol II contains the following topics:
>
> Plural marking
> Compounding
> Noun incorporation
> Causatives (Helmbrecht)
> External Possession
> Coordination
> Subordination
> Instrumentals
> Absolutive (wa-)
> TAM
> Negation
> Serial verbs (David Rood ?)
>
> That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their
> files.
>
> The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a
> list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a
> project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might
> serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further.
>
> As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I
> knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this
> could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.
>
> I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,
>
> Best
> Johannes
>
>


From shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun 18 18:54:19 2008
From: shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:54:19 +0000
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <4857BE450200008E0000F22F@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.18.JUN.2008.185419.0000.>

I'm glad to be back on the list, but sorry I can't attend this year.? However i will definitely come next year to Lincoln.? Best of luck to you all this year in Joplin
Bruce

--- On Tue, 17/6/08, Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu> wrote:
From: Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
Subject: RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Date: Tuesday, 17 June, 2008, 7:38 PM

I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session is a
good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for the comparative
Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict - we can do both
and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009 meeting.  

I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we should get
organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to Billings, and I've
forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I the only sieve-brain?) but I
do think this is important!!! If Johannes is willing to be the organizer that
would be great.  Is there someone who will be in Joplin who could bring the
list of topics/chapters that was compiled before?  (And/or could someone
circulate it electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use
a reminder.

I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have accepted
Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7 or
12-14".  Should we make a decision?

Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule,
with confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  

Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I tried to
reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only to him, not to
the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!  

Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53
PM >>>
This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be the
organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn, provide an even
stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and Mark could organize the
language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we could schedule them so that
we could all attend both.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project



Aloha Johannes, 
Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska (the center
of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of place). 

The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 

I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the agenda
for 2009. 

If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on the
Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to formalize it and
push it forward a bit. 

There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that the Tribal
Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha Nation Public School
(K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago Public School could find some
value in this as well. 

Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 

iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
Uthixide 

Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 



"Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
<johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
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Dear Siouanists,

I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
Joplin,MO in particular because 
the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally there,
I would like to make 
some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future conferences,
which may be 
discussed during the conference in Joplin.

One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological and
historical comparative 
perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with additional
topics filling all in all at 
least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt afterwards and I
would like to give it a 
new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop on Siouan
Comparative 
Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still considered
worthy among the participants 
to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during the coming
days? 

For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper on
applicatives in Siouan. In 
addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall that
correctly), so I will start to work 
on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the conference next
year.

Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only, if I can
get funding for an 
overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for such a
fascinating project, but I need 
the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to apply for
money. Therefore, I 
would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if possible
for the conference in two 
years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary funding.
John Boyle 
mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago in 2010?

Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity to talk
about the state of the 
art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan on the
next steps. 
Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the organization, and
the research as much as 
I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.

So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,

Best,
Johannes


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

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From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Tue Jun 24 15:12:00 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:12:00 -0500
Subject: Siouan Conference 2009 and 2010 and comparative grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.101200.0500.>

Minutes of the Business Meeting, Siouan Conference 2008 Joplin

(1)  Plans for next year's conference:
Place:  Lincoln, Nebraska (University of Nebraska)
Dates:  June 11-14, 2009
Host/Organizer:  Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Tentative Schedule:
June 11-12 (Thurs/Fri) Comparative Grammar Workshop II, organized by Johannes Helmbrecht
and John Boyle.
June 13-14 (Sat/Sun) Siouan Conference proper.  A portion of the meeting (probably
Saturday afternoon) will be devoted to a special session on native language teaching and
learning.

(2) Plans for 2010 conference
Place:  Chicago (Northeastern Illinois University)
Dates:  ?? Probably in June again.
Host/Organizer:  John Boyle

(3) It was suggested that the Comparative Siouan Grammar volumes should be dedicated to
the memory of Carolyn Quintero and Blair Rudes.  

That's all I've got.  Any additions or corrections?

Thanks again to Jill Greer for a valuable and enjoyable meeting!  Good to see everybody.
 I'll post a little summary of the dictionary sessions shortly.  

Catherine Rudin


From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Jun 24 19:27:23 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:27:23 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.142723.0500.>

Dear Colleagues,
 
Before we get too far along with this project, we might want to set some goals and limits.  "Comparative grammar" is a pretty flexible topic and we might want to try to specify what we mean.  Does this mean "comparative and historical" in the traditional sense?  Or are people thinking more along the lines of synchronic grammars and some sort of typological approach?  Do we intend to limit ourselves to surface grammar (that's certainly what the historical apporoach would require) or should we admit solutions that appeal to invisible/hypothetical superstructure?  It seems to me that these would be vastly different projects appealing to different kinds of evidence and information.  It's probably worth thinking about in advance.
 
Thanks to a lot of hard work by Jill and Catherine, the meeting in Joplin was a lot of fun and very informative.  I'm looking forward to next year's meeting already.  
 
Bob

________________________________

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG. 


According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which does not exist yet, of course)


Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).


Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht) 
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)


Vol II contains the following topics:


Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)


That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their files. 


The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further. 


As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.


I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,


Best
Johannes






Datum:             Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Antwort an:       siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:                 "Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
An:                   <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:             RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project


> I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session
> is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for the
> comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict -
> we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009
> meeting.  
> 
> I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we
> should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I
> the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes
> is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone
> who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that
> was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> reminder.
> 
> I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7
> or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> 
> Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with
> confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  
> 
> Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I
> tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only
> to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!
> 
> Catherine
> 
> >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be
> the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and
> Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we
> could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> Awakuni-Swetland
> Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> 
> Aloha Johannes, 
> Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska
> (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of
> place). 
> 
> The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> 
> I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the
> agenda for 2009. 
> 
> If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on
> the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> 
> There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
> instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that
> the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha
> Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> 
> Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> 
> iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> Uthixide 
> 
> Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> and Native American Studies
> University of Nebraska
> Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> 
> http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> Phone 402-472-3455
> FAX: 402-472-9642
> 
> "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> 
> 
> 
> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
> Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> 
> 06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
> Please respond to
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> 
> 
> To
> siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project       
> 
>                      
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
> Joplin,MO in particular because 
> the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally
> there, I would like to make 
> some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> conferences, which may be 
> discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> 
> One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological
> and historical comparative 
> perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> additional topics filling all in all at 
> least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop
> on Siouan Comparative 
> Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> considered worthy among the participants 
> to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during
> the coming days? 
> 
> For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper
> on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall
> that correctly), so I will start to work 
> on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> conference next year.
> 
> Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only,
> if I can get funding for an 
> overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for
> such a fascinating project, but I need 
> the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to
> apply for money. Therefore, I 
> would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if
> possible for the conference in two 
> years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary
> funding. John Boyle 
> mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago
> in 2010?
> 
> Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity
> to talk about the state of the 
> art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan
> on the next steps. 
> Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> organization, and the research as much as 
> I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> 
> So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,
> 
> Best,
> Johannes
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universit?t Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universit?tsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> 
> 
> 




--


Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 


From carudin1 at wsc.edu  Tue Jun 24 21:25:36 2008
From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:25:36 -0500
Subject: Dictionaries Roundtable summary
Message-ID: <TUE.24.JUN.2008.162536.0500.>

The Siouan Conference in Joplin, Missouri included a special session on making
dictionaries for Siouan languages.  This is meant as a kind of synopsis of that session
to have a record of it, as well as for people who weren't there.  My notes were somewhat
fragmentary - apologies if I've misrepresented or missed anything.

--We heard brief reports on seven dictionary projects in progress (list and quick
summaries below), organized roughly in order from least complete to most complete.

--We also noted the new dictionary of Osage by Carolyn Quintero, in press at the time of
her recent untimely death and hopefully to appear very soon; and we got to pass around
and admire a hot-off-the-presses copy of the Lakota Language Consortium's New Lakota
Dictionary.  There is a lot of recent activity in the Siouan dictionary field and
several very impressive new dictionaries underway or recently completed.

--The individual project presentations were followed by a general discussion as planned
(summary below), but we ran out of time and didn't get to the planned discussion of
technological issues.  Oh well!  

Project Reports:
1.  Omaha and Ponca
Mark Awakuni-Swetland and Catherine Rudin recently received a DEL grant to create a
dictionary based on J.O. Dorsey's Omaha/Ponca slipfiles.  Rory Larson is also involved
in the grant project.  Mark presented some background on the slip files, the plans to
create digital images from them, and conversion of the information on them into an
on-line dictionary.  There was some discussion of orthography to be used.

2.  Biloxi
David Kaufman is currently working on a revised Biloxi-English / English-Biloxi
dictionary.  He handed out sample pages of the dictionary and discussed how he is making
it more user-friendly than available materials.

3. Kaw (Kansa) and Comparative Siouan
Robert Rankin presented "Some remarks on instrumental verb lexemes in a Kansa
dictionary".  The partially unpredictable meaning of combinations of instrumental prefix
+ verb root makes it necessary (or at least preferable) for dictionaries of individual
Siouan languages to list stems rather than roots.  This point was illustrated with
examples from Bob's Kansa dictionary in progress.  On the other hand, historical
dictionaries should list reconstructed roots, not complex stems, since combinations of
prefix + root may have arisen independently in various languages.  

4.  Crow
Randy Graczyk described the Crow dictionary project which was begun by Ray Gordon in the
late '60's.  Randy has continued  to add new material from various sources, so it now
has some 5,000 Crow-to-English entries.  Randy handed out sample pages of both his
dictionary and the Dictionary of Everyday Crow, and discussed some technical issues
including the field labels used in the database, marking of verb classes, and raised
several questions about how best to proceed from here (paper vs. electronic publication;
stem vs. whole-word entries, etc.)

5. Hidatsa
John Boyle showed us the Hidatsa wordlist he has been working on.  At the moment it
consists of words with glosses, but eventually the words will be clickable links leading
to grammatical and other information.   

6.  Ioway-Otoe-Missouria
Jimm Goodtracks has been working (under auspices of a 3-year DEL grant) on an unabridged
encyclopedic Dictionary, revising and expanding his 1992 IOM Dictionary.  Jimm handed
out a page of sample entries and discussed issues of orthography, and the inclusion of
cultural material, related words, clan names, and other ways of making the dictionary
useful to the community.

7.  Hoocak
Iren Hartmann passed around sections of the recently completed dictionary of Hoocak, to
appear from SUNY press.  The dictionary is part of a Volkswagen funded Hoocak language
project.  Her handouts illustrated the database field structure used in preparing the
dictionary, Hoocak-English and English-Hoocak entries, semantic classification/thesaurus
and word frequency list.

Discussion:
General discussion focused on what information dictionaries should include.  
--Depends on users; not everyone will want all possible information.  But including more
is better than less, at least in databases (option of printing only some fields to
create dictionaries for specific purposes).  
--Training in using the dictionary may be valuable for teachers/other users.
--Format matters.  Electronic dictionaries can have more information and can always be
updated; book dictionaries are "a one shot deal" and will have issues of
space/size/printing cost.

A core set of information to be included seems to be pretty well agreed on.  All the
presenters in the first session included (or hope/plan someday to include) mos of the
same information.  We reinforced this by making a list on the board, as follows.  Some
of these are more basic and crucial than others; some generated some discussion.  But
I'm just listing them here without comment.

Entries should include:
word
homonym number
glosses
example sentences or phrases
grammatical class and/or conjugated forms
source (document or speaker; inventor if new word, indication of degree of certainty)
semantic domain
literal meaning/breakdown of compounds or other complex lexemes
idioms, compounds, collocations, or names using the word
function (e.g. imperative)
Cultural notes
other notes - usage, gender, history/etymology, variant forms (dialectal, idiolectal,
older/newer, etc.)
related words or congnates

Front matter should include:
explanation of grammatical class labels and other information in entries
explanation of orthography / pronunciation guide (and of alphabetization)
source list
some type of grammar sketch.

Pictures/illustrations are nice - we briefly discussed creating your own vs. getting
permissions, issues of memory and space, cost for publishers, etc.  

All the Siouan dictionaries are bilingual; there was some discussion of whether
monolingual dictionaries (with definitions in the native language) would be desirable or
feasible.  

There was some discussion of long-term archiving options for preserving dictionary
databases; APA and Max-Planck Institute were mentioned.

There was some discussion of orthography as a general issue (not necessarily just for
dictionaries).  

John Boyle volunteered to set up a clearinghouse web page with links to all the
dictionary sites presented at the workshop and other useful / related sites. 


From shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 19:04:04 2008
From: shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:04:04 +0000
Subject: Dictionaries Roundtable summary
In-Reply-To: <486120000200008E0000F963@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.25.JUN.2008.190404.0000.>

Dear all,
I'm sorry I couldn't come this year.? It looks as though it was a very interesting session.? I shall definitely be there in Nebraska next year.? regards to all
Bruce

--- On Tue, 24/6/08, Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu> wrote:
From: Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
Subject: Dictionaries Roundtable summary
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Date: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008, 10:25 PM

The Siouan Conference in Joplin, Missouri included a special session on making
dictionaries for Siouan languages.  This is meant as a kind of synopsis of that
session
to have a record of it, as well as for people who weren't there.  My notes
were somewhat
fragmentary - apologies if I've misrepresented or missed anything.

--We heard brief reports on seven dictionary projects in progress (list and
quick
summaries below), organized roughly in order from least complete to most
complete.

--We also noted the new dictionary of Osage by Carolyn Quintero, in press at
the time of
her recent untimely death and hopefully to appear very soon; and we got to pass
around
and admire a hot-off-the-presses copy of the Lakota Language Consortium's
New Lakota
Dictionary.  There is a lot of recent activity in the Siouan dictionary field
and
several very impressive new dictionaries underway or recently completed.

--The individual project presentations were followed by a general discussion as
planned
(summary below), but we ran out of time and didn't get to the planned
discussion of
technological issues.  Oh well!  

Project Reports:
1.  Omaha and Ponca
Mark Awakuni-Swetland and Catherine Rudin recently received a DEL grant to
create a
dictionary based on J.O. Dorsey's Omaha/Ponca slipfiles.  Rory Larson is
also involved
in the grant project.  Mark presented some background on the slip files, the
plans to
create digital images from them, and conversion of the information on them into
an
on-line dictionary.  There was some discussion of orthography to be used.

2.  Biloxi
David Kaufman is currently working on a revised Biloxi-English / English-Biloxi
dictionary.  He handed out sample pages of the dictionary and discussed how he
is making
it more user-friendly than available materials.

3. Kaw (Kansa) and Comparative Siouan
Robert Rankin presented "Some remarks on instrumental verb lexemes in a
Kansa
dictionary".  The partially unpredictable meaning of combinations of
instrumental prefix
+ verb root makes it necessary (or at least preferable) for dictionaries of
individual
Siouan languages to list stems rather than roots.  This point was illustrated
with
examples from Bob's Kansa dictionary in progress.  On the other hand,
historical
dictionaries should list reconstructed roots, not complex stems, since
combinations of
prefix + root may have arisen independently in various languages.  

4.  Crow
Randy Graczyk described the Crow dictionary project which was begun by Ray
Gordon in the
late '60's.  Randy has continued  to add new material from various
sources, so it now
has some 5,000 Crow-to-English entries.  Randy handed out sample pages of both
his
dictionary and the Dictionary of Everyday Crow, and discussed some technical
issues
including the field labels used in the database, marking of verb classes, and
raised
several questions about how best to proceed from here (paper vs. electronic
publication;
stem vs. whole-word entries, etc.)

5. Hidatsa
John Boyle showed us the Hidatsa wordlist he has been working on.  At the
moment it
consists of words with glosses, but eventually the words will be clickable
links leading
to grammatical and other information.   

6.  Ioway-Otoe-Missouria
Jimm Goodtracks has been working (under auspices of a 3-year DEL grant) on an
unabridged
encyclopedic Dictionary, revising and expanding his 1992 IOM Dictionary.  Jimm
handed
out a page of sample entries and discussed issues of orthography, and the
inclusion of
cultural material, related words, clan names, and other ways of making the
dictionary
useful to the community.

7.  Hoocak
Iren Hartmann passed around sections of the recently completed dictionary of
Hoocak, to
appear from SUNY press.  The dictionary is part of a Volkswagen funded Hoocak
language
project.  Her handouts illustrated the database field structure used in
preparing the
dictionary, Hoocak-English and English-Hoocak entries, semantic
classification/thesaurus
and word frequency list.

Discussion:
General discussion focused on what information dictionaries should include.  
--Depends on users; not everyone will want all possible information.  But
including more
is better than less, at least in databases (option of printing only some fields
to
create dictionaries for specific purposes).  
--Training in using the dictionary may be valuable for teachers/other users.
--Format matters.  Electronic dictionaries can have more information and can
always be
updated; book dictionaries are "a one shot deal" and will have issues
of
space/size/printing cost.

A core set of information to be included seems to be pretty well agreed on. 
All the
presenters in the first session included (or hope/plan someday to include) mos
of the
same information.  We reinforced this by making a list on the board, as
follows.  Some
of these are more basic and crucial than others; some generated some
discussion.  But
I'm just listing them here without comment.

Entries should include:
word
homonym number
glosses
example sentences or phrases
grammatical class and/or conjugated forms
source (document or speaker; inventor if new word, indication of degree of
certainty)
semantic domain
literal meaning/breakdown of compounds or other complex lexemes
idioms, compounds, collocations, or names using the word
function (e.g. imperative)
Cultural notes
other notes - usage, gender, history/etymology, variant forms (dialectal,
idiolectal,
older/newer, etc.)
related words or congnates

Front matter should include:
explanation of grammatical class labels and other information in entries
explanation of orthography / pronunciation guide (and of alphabetization)
source list
some type of grammar sketch.

Pictures/illustrations are nice - we briefly discussed creating your own vs.
getting
permissions, issues of memory and space, cost for publishers, etc.  

All the Siouan dictionaries are bilingual; there was some discussion of whether
monolingual dictionaries (with definitions in the native language) would be
desirable or
feasible.  

There was some discussion of long-term archiving options for preserving
dictionary
databases; APA and Max-Planck Institute were mentioned.

There was some discussion of orthography as a general issue (not necessarily
just for
dictionaries).  

John Boyle volunteered to set up a clearinghouse web page with links to all the
dictionary sites presented at the workshop and other useful / related sites.


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From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Thu Jun 26 11:56:25 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:56:25 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05CE@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.26.JUN.2008.135625.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

Bob touches quite fundamental questions with regard to the Comparative Siouan Grammar project and I 
think it would be helpful for the entire project but also for each individual contributor and contribution if we 
find some answers to these questions in advance. 

My personal view on this is the following. First of all, I think the overall goal is to describe the 
morphosyntactic diversity among the Siouan languages. Most of us are experts for just one or two of the 
Siouan languages, but have only a cursory knowledge of the other SL. Or, we perceive SL through the 
glasses of the better documented SL like Lakhota. Such a project forces us to look deeper into the other SL 
at least with regard to a certain grammatical domain. My hope and conviction is that the more we know 
about the divers grammatical categories and constructions among the SL the better we can investigate and 
describe the language we are already experts in. Perhaps, we find new things in our "own" language if we 
know more about the other SL. So, "comparative" in my view means primarily diversity (and uniformity(?)) 
among SL. This is of course close to what typologist do with the difference that our sample of languages is 
limited and that we can also start with certain grammatical categories and construction we already know that 
they are prominent in SL. 

This typologically biased view on "comparative" does not preclude the historical perspective. On the 
contrary, we are all interested in the question how the various categories and constructions historically 
emerged even if we can reconstruct this only on the basis of the contemporary SL. The ideal would be that 
we could combine both perspectives on "comparative" in our individual contributions. Since I am not a 
historical linguist, I would of course have difficulties to reconstruct forms in a deepness and quality as Bob, 
David, and others could do it. So, in my own contributions this perspective would remain somewhat weak. 

On the last point mentioned in Bob's mail, I can comment on pretty shortly. I have no interest in invisible 
underlying structures or superstructures or aim to proof certain rather abstract models of grammar with data 
from SL. I think, many of us share this view, so I do not see a problem here too.

I regret, that I could not attend the conference in Joplin, but I am looking forward to the nest year's 
conference in Lincoln.

Best 
Johannes



Datum:	Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:27:23 -0500
Antwort an:	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:	"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
An:	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project

> Dear Colleagues,
>  
> Before we get too far along with this project, we might want to set
> some goals and limits.  "Comparative grammar" is a pretty flexible
> topic and we might want to try to specify what we mean.  Does this
> mean "comparative and historical" in the traditional sense?  Or are
> people thinking more along the lines of synchronic grammars and some
> sort of typological approach?  Do we intend to limit ourselves to
> surface grammar (that's certainly what the historical apporoach would
> require) or should we admit solutions that appeal to
> invisible/hypothetical superstructure?  It seems to me that these
> would be vastly different projects appealing to different kinds of
> evidence and information.  It's probably worth thinking about in
> advance.
>  
> Thanks to a lot of hard work by Jill and Catherine, the meeting in
> Joplin was a lot of fun and very informative.  I'm looking forward to
> next year's meeting already.  
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and
> John Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized
> the topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG.
> 
> 
> According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of
> the individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme
> (which does not exist yet, of course)
> 
> 
> Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention
> also the names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).
> 
> 
> Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
> Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes
> Helmbrecht) 
> Determiners (?)
> Nominal Possession (?)
> t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
> Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
> Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
> Relative Clauses (?)
> Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
> Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
> Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)
> 
> 
> Vol II contains the following topics:
> 
> 
> Plural marking
> Compounding
> Noun incorporation
> Causatives (Helmbrecht)
> External Possession
> Coordination
> Subordination
> Instrumentals
> Absolutive (wa-)
> TAM
> Negation
> Serial verbs (David Rood ?)
> 
> 
> That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in
> their files. 
> 
> 
> The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather
> a list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such
> a project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It
> might serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further.
> 
> 
> As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me
> if I knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So,
> perhaps, this could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.
> 
> 
> I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,
> 
> 
> Best
> Johannes
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Datum:             Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
> Antwort an:       siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Von:                 "Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
> An:                   <siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
> Betreff:             RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> > I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors'
> session
> > is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for
> the
> > comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict
> -
> > we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the
> 2009
> > meeting.  
> > 
> > I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and
> we
> > should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> > Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am
> I
> > the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If
> Johannes
> > is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there
> someone
> > who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters
> that
> > was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> > electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> > reminder.
> > 
> > I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> > accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June
> 5-7
> > or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> > 
> > Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule,
> with
> > confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> > Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever. 
> > 
> > Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me. 
> I
> > tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone
> only
> > to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to
> it!
> > 
> > Catherine
> > 
> > >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> > This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to
> be
> > the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> > provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds),
> and
> > Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully
> we
> > could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
> >  
> > Bob
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> > Awakuni-Swetland
> > Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> > Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Aloha Johannes, 
> > Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> > I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln,
> Nebraska
> > (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort
> of
> > place). 
> > 
> > The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> > 
> > I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding
> the
> > agenda for 2009. 
> > 
> > If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three
> on
> > the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> > formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> > 
> > There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards
> language
> > instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect
> that
> > the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful.
> Omaha
> > Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> > Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> > 
> > Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> > 
> > iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> > Uthixide 
> > 
> > Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> > and Native American Studies
> > University of Nebraska
> > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> > 
> > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> > Phone 402-472-3455
> > FAX: 402-472-9642
> > 
> > "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> > <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
> > Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> > 
> > 06/17/2008 07:50 AM 
> > Please respond to
> > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> > 
> > 
> > To
> > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
> > cc
> > Subject
> > Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project       
> > 
> >                      
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Siouanists,
> > 
> > I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC
> in
> > Joplin,MO in particular because 
> > the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be
> personally
> > there, I would like to make 
> > some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> > conferences, which may be 
> > discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> > 
> > One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> > Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a
> typological
> > and historical comparative 
> > perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> > additional topics filling all in all at 
> > least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> > afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> > new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up
> workshop
> > on Siouan Comparative 
> > Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> > considered worthy among the participants 
> > to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question
> during
> > the coming days? 
> > 
> > For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my
> paper
> > on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> > addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I
> recall
> > that correctly), so I will start to work 
> > on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> > conference next year.
> > 
> > Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next
> only,
> > if I can get funding for an 
> > overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular
> for
> > such a fascinating project, but I need 
> > the conference details some months in advance in order to be able
> to
> > apply for money. Therefore, I 
> > would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and
> if
> > possible for the conference in two 
> > years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the
> necessary
> > funding. John Boyle 
> > mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in
> Chicago
> > in 2010?
> > 
> > Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good
> opportunity
> > to talk about the state of the 
> > art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to
> plan
> > on the next steps. 
> > Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> > organization, and the research as much as 
> > I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> > 
> > So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in
> Joplin,
> > 
> > Best,
> > Johannes
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> > Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> > Universit?t Regensburg
> > Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
> > Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> > Universit?tsstr. 31
> > 93053 Regensburg
> > Deutschland
> > 
> > Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
> >        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> > Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> > E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> > Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universit?t Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universit?tsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>         ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 
> 


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
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