From ejjhalsey at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 17:09:09 2008
From: ejjhalsey at yahoo.com (Elliott Halsey)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:09:09 -0700
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05E6@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.5.SEP.2008.100909.0700.>

I am writing to inform you, regretfully, that Elliot Halsey passed away in  April.  It was sudden and unexpected.  Would it be possible for you to remove  this email address from your mailing list?

Thank you


--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Rankin, Robert L <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:

> From: Rankin, Robert L <rankin at ku.edu>
> Subject: RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:25 AM
> Just spent the week in Kaw City, so I'm only now getting
> around to doing anything but a cursory reading of my mail.  
>  
> > Rory writes:  I wonder if we aren't dancing around
> a difference in our fundamental conceptions of what language
> is about here. 
>  
> > Ardis writes:  People will be interested in this for
> the language and not the theory, . . .
>  
> I think what we're dancing around is our concept of
> what *this* projected volume is about.  We all have deep
> interests in one or another aspect of linguistics as a
> science, be it underlying syntactic or semantic structure,
> reconstructive methodology, language teaching, phonological
> economy, language use and society, or what-have-you. 
> That's well and good and nobody should apologize for it.
>  
>  
> My sole concern -- probably not expressed very well
> originally -- is in producing a treatment of specifically
> Siouan languages that will be easily intelligible to
> scholars 200 years from now.  (This is what I've always
> tried to convey to students writing dissertations on
> particular languages or language families.)  This places
> certain constraints on us all, and we need to concentrate on
> exposition using terms, concepts and abstractions that have
> stood, or will stand, the test of time.  Since my crystal
> ball is a bit cloudy, and I've seen a lot of rapid
> turnover in synchronic theories, I tend to be a bit
> conservative in these matters.  But if we all keep in mind
> the somewhat narrow goal of communicating to generations to
> come what Siouan languages are/were like, and recognize that
> not everything in current, cutting-edge linguistic theory is
> "built to last," we should do just fine without
> having to nanny each other.
>  
> And for you younger folk (i.e., everybody except Hu
> Matthews), most schools give more credit toward promotion,
> etc. for theory articles published in refereed journals than
> for papers published in the sort of anthology we have in
> mind anyway.  So where we address our truly theoretical
> concerns should be a pretty easy decision.  _Linguistic
> Inquiry_ and _Language_ are probably at the top of the list.
>  
> Bob


      


From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Tue Sep 16 11:35:43 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:35:43 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080707084755.16204804CF@rrzmta2.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.SEP.2008.133543.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11-
12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, 
John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and 
Caddoan linguistics conference. 

John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as 
possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The 
particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical 
category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many 
SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the 
knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the 
formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a 
historical reconstruction if that is possible). 

So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by 
the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this 
research. Both items have to go hand in hand.

Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, 
(John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and 
systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out 
correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)

Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)

Chapters:
Topics
Authors

Introduction
Overview on common Siouan grammar
?

Noun and noun-phrase 
operations
Overview of the noun and noun phrase
?


Determiners and positionals
?Carolyn Quintero+


Definite and indefinite articles
?


Demonstratives
?


Nominal compounds
?


Nominal possession
?John Koontz


Relative clauses
John Boyle

Grammatical relations 
and valency adjusting 
operations
Overview of the basic patterns of the 
marking of clausal participants
?


Instrumentals
?Bob Rankin


Applicatives (locative, instrument and 
benefactive applicatives)
Johannes Helmbrecht


Causative constructions 
Johannes Helmbrecht


Noun incorporation
William de Reuse


Reflexive constructions
?


Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
Regina Pustet

Verb and verb-phrase 
operations
Overview of the grammatical categories 
of the verb - form and function 
?


Verb classes in SL
?


Deictic motion verbs 
Linda Cumberland


Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology 
(template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
Bob Rankin


Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal 
affixes, forms and paradigms throughout 
SL)
?John Koontz


Plural marking 
(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
?John Koontz


Indefinite absolutive *waa-
John Boyle


Tense/ Aspect marking
Regina Pustet


Modality in SL
Iren Hartmann

Pragmatically marked 
structures
Topic and topicalization constructions
?


Focus marking and focus marking 
constructions
?


Negation 
(phrasal negation and clausal negation)
?


Question word questions (t-words)
Bruce Ingham

Clause combinations
Overview of the grammatical devices of 
clause combining in SL
?


Serial verb constructions
?David Rood


Switch reference and clause chaining
Randy Graczyk


Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
Catherine Rudin


Adverbial subordination (temporal, 
conditional etc.)
John Boyle & Johannes 
Helmbrecht

The SLs individually
1.
The role model for the 
structure of the individual 
sketches could be the 
sketch by David Rood and 
Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of 
the Handbook of North 
American Indians


2.



3.



4.



Etc.




As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun 
phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically 
marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical 
sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by 
David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.

The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research 
needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier 
with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult 
to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have   
not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the 
topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she 
has spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the individual contributor will be 
to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit 
that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but 
since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a 
question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic 
they are assigned to in this list.

Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:

a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should 
we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)

b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?

c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note 
that there are many many free fields...)

d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether 
they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 

e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next 
June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in 
Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and enriched with additional 
data from other SLs now)

We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform 
exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for 
this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would 
distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other 
participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).

That's it for the moment. 

All the best (also on behalf of John)
Johannes


















--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
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From linguista at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 16:22:01 2008
From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:22:01 -0700
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080916113606.C6D2283B54@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.SEP.2008.092201.0700.>

Johannes,

I could at very least contribute on topic- and focus-marking strategies in
Omaha-Ponca and Jiwere. If other people want to share with me their
impressions of how it works in their languages, all the better.

It's too bad there are no phonologists among us. I'm looking at stress and
vowel length in OP right now, but nothing comparative in scope. But of
course phonological shifts are already well-represented in the historical
side of things: perhaps there should be a chapter covering historical sound
shifts?

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Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology
University of Arizona
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From CaRudin1 at wsc.edu  Thu Sep 18 14:19:19 2008
From: CaRudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080916113606.C6D2283B54@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <THU.18.SEP.2008.091919.0500.>

Johannes and everyone -
Yes, I'll do coordination, as listed, and I do plan on presenting it at S&CC in Lincoln.
 
I'm sure there are other topics that could be added, but this looks more than adequate for now! 
 
Thanks for getting us going-
Catherine

>>> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 9/16/2008 6:35 AM >>>
Dear Siouanists,


as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics conference. 


John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is possible). 


So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.


Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)


Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)

Chapters:
Topics
Authors
Introduction
Overview on common Siouan grammar
?
Noun and noun-phrase operations
Overview of the noun and noun phrase
?
Determiners and positionals
?Carolyn Quintero†
Definite and indefinite articles
?
Demonstratives
?
Nominal compounds
?
Nominal possession
?John Koontz
Relative clauses
John Boyle
Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations
Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal participants
?
Instrumentals
?Bob Rankin
Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)
Johannes Helmbrecht
Causative constructions 
Johannes Helmbrecht
Noun incorporation
William de Reuse
Reflexive constructions
?
Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
Regina Pustet
Verb and verb-phrase operations
Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb – form and function 
?

Verb classes in SL
?
Deictic motion verbs 
Linda Cumberland
Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
Bob Rankin
Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms throughout SL)
?John Koontz
Plural marking 
(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
?John Koontz
Indefinite absolutive *waa-
John Boyle
Tense/ Aspect marking
Regina Pustet
Modality in SL
Iren Hartmann

Pragmatically marked structures
Topic and topicalization constructions
?
Focus marking and focus marking constructions
?
Negation 
(phrasal negation and clausal negation)
?
Question word questions (t-words)
Bruce Ingham
Clause combinations
Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL
?
Serial verb constructions
?David Rood
Switch reference and clause chaining
Randy Graczyk
Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
Catherine Rudin
Adverbial subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)
John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht
The SLs individually
1.
The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook of North American Indians
2.
3.
4.
Etc.




As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.


The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic they are assigned to in this list.


Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:


a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)


b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?


c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free fields...)


d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 


e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and enriched with additional data from other SLs now)


We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).


That's it for the moment. 


All the best (also on behalf of John)
Johannes




































--


Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
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From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Sep 23 20:24:29 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:24:29 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.152429.0500.>

Johannes, John et al.,
 
The organizational chart looks good to me.  I am happy with the affix/clitic sections assigned to me and will be happy to try to address the instrumental prefixes also, as you suggest.  I have already done reconstructions of these, so notes on their relative positions, uses, etc. are what is left for me to work on.  The suffixes/enclitics will take the most time and effort.
 
I would suggest that your first topic, "Overview on common Siouan grammar" be postponed until the other chapters have been written and presented.  Then someone could summarize the conclusions.
 
Somewhere it was suggested that there be a survey of the sound correspondence sets for Siouan.  John Koontz some years ago sent me a copy of such a survey in chart form that he had compiled.  With a little discussion, it would be ideal, and he would be the ideal person to do it, if you can break him away from his other responsibilities.  
 
In light of our earlier discussion, with its mild disagreements, on the relationship between this volume and linguistic theory, I'd like to suggest a second volume of studies.  The first vol. would be the one we are presently working on -- intended for language specialists and as theory-neutral as we can make it using our own best judgment.  The second volume would be aimed specifically at general linguists (theorists/typologists) and would address "implications of Siouan linguistics for linguistic theory and typology."  There are already a number of exceptional characteristics that make Siouan languages special and interesting to theoreticians.
 
The status of adjectives/stative verbs in Siouan. (modified nouns as mini-rel. clauses, etc.).
Reduplication patterns in Siouan (yamni/yamnimni, etc.).
Status of nasal sonorants as universals.
Clausal incorporation and the limits of incorporation (as in Crow).
Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r, l).
 
Those are just a few I can imagine off the top of my head.  Those with a more formal bent will be able to think of many more.  Such contents would be very different from the "Handbuch" type of thing we're working on right now.  But both slants are very important.  
 
That's it for now.  I'll be happy to try to provide answers to questions re Kansa and Quapaw.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Sent: Tue 9/16/2008 6:35 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; jpboyle at uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop


Dear Siouanists,


as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics conference. 


John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is possible). 


So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.


Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)


Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)
Chapters:
Topics
Authors
Introduction
Overview on common Siouan grammar
?
Noun and noun-phrase operations
Overview of the noun and noun phrase
?
Determiners and positionals
?Carolyn Quintero?
Definite and indefinite articles
?
Demonstratives
?
Nominal compounds
?
Nominal possession
?John Koontz
Relative clauses
John Boyle
Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations
Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal participants
?
Instrumentals
?Bob Rankin
Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)
Johannes Helmbrecht
Causative constructions 
Johannes Helmbrecht
Noun incorporation
William de Reuse
Reflexive constructions
?
Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
Regina Pustet
Verb and verb-phrase operations
Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb - form and function 
?
Verb classes in SL
?
Deictic motion verbs 
Linda Cumberland
Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
Bob Rankin
Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms throughout SL)
?John Koontz
Plural marking 
(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
?John Koontz
Indefinite absolutive *waa-
John Boyle
Tense/ Aspect marking
Regina Pustet
Modality in SL
Iren Hartmann
Pragmatically marked structures
Topic and topicalization constructions
?
Focus marking and focus marking constructions
?
Negation 
(phrasal negation and clausal negation)
?
Question word questions (t-words)
Bruce Ingham
Clause combinations
Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL
?
Serial verb constructions
?David Rood
Switch reference and clause chaining
Randy Graczyk
Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
Catherine Rudin
Adverbial subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)
John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht
The SLs individually
1.
The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook of North American Indians
2.
3.
4.
Etc.




As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.


The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic they are assigned to in this list.


Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:


a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)


b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?


c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free fields...)


d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 


e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and enriched with additional data from other SLs now)


We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).


That's it for the moment. 


All the best (also on behalf of John)
Johannes




































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Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
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From rwd0002 at unt.edu  Tue Sep 23 22:14:56 2008
From: rwd0002 at unt.edu (rwd0002 at unt.edu)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:14:56 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E06B1@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.171456.0500.>

Thanks Bob for interesting comments.  I would be happy to write a short 
piece on noun incorporation across Siouan, as indicated in the 
schedule.  I pretty much have all I need for Dakotan and for Crow 
(thanks to Randy's superb grammar), but if people could send me info 
about the other languages/subdivisions, that would be helpful.

I agree that phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants is very 
interesting theoretically. There are nice parallels in Athabascan.  
What is reconstructed as Proto-Ath *w comes out as [w], or [m], but in 
some languages as voiced obstruent [b], functioning as a sonorant.

Best to all,

Willem

Bob Rankin wrote:

> Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r, l).


From linguista at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 22:21:54 2008
From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:21:54 -0700
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080923171456.gby1oelm2m80g0cw@eaglemail.unt.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.152154.0700.>

Let's not forget that /w/ in both Japanese and O'odham surfaces as a
bilabial fricative in certain contexts [ɸ]. I believe that in both languages
the /w/ is produced with tensed rather than rounded lips, and has a much
lesser velar component than in English.

I thought y'all were talking about Ponca stops for a minute...now calling
them sonorants would explain the four-way stop contrast!

- BJG

2008/9/23 <rwd0002 at unt.edu>

> Thanks Bob for interesting comments.  I would be happy to write a short
> piece on noun incorporation across Siouan, as indicated in the schedule.  I
> pretty much have all I need for Dakotan and for Crow (thanks to Randy's
> superb grammar), but if people could send me info about the other
> languages/subdivisions, that would be helpful.
>
> I agree that phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants is very
> interesting theoretically. There are nice parallels in Athabascan.  What is
> reconstructed as Proto-Ath *w comes out as [w], or [m], but in some
> languages as voiced obstruent [b], functioning as a sonorant.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Willem
>
>
> Bob Rankin wrote:
>
>  Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r,
>> l).
>>
>
>


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Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology
University of Arizona
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From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu  Tue Sep 23 23:36:02 2008
From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:36:02 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <ad128a3d0809231521p2fde4e8kd7ea62844dbd8773@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.183602.0500.>

Bryan wrote:
> Let's not forget that /w/ in both Japanese and O'odham surfaces as a 
bilabial fricative in certain contexts [ɸ]. I believe that in both 
languages the /w/ is produced with tensed rather than rounded lips, and 
has a much lesser velar component than in English.

I can partially vouch for that in Japanese.  I noticed the tense rather 
than rounded quality of /w/ in the first semester from the teacher's 
pronunciation, as well as the lack of a real [u] sound; the Japanese /u/ 
comes out more like the sound in "book" than in "boot".  Except for /o/, 
they don't seem to round their lips.  On the other hand, I have also read 
somewhere that this is characteristic of the Tokyo dialect, so it might 
not apply to Japanese or Japonic in general.

The Japanese syllabaries are defective in the /w-/ set, having only /wa/ 
and sometimes /wo/, which latter seems to exist only as the object marker 
and is usually pronounced as a strong o.  The bilabial fricative is 
perhaps the ancestor of the /h-/ series, which surfaces as /b-/ and /p-/, 
as well as /h-/ for /ha/, /he/ and /ho/, a voiceless velar fricative for 
/hi/, a voiceless bilabial fricative for /hu/, and an alternate wa for 
/ha/ when used as the topic marker.  It looks like lips and velum may both 
have been used for this originally.

Rory

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From rankin at ku.edu  Thu Sep 25 14:15:10 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:15:10 -0500
Subject: Note job opportunity.
Message-ID: <THU.25.SEP.2008.091510.0500.>

U. Cal. San Diego is advertising for an Americanist to strengthen their Native American languages program.
 
Bob


From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu  Thu Sep 25 18:26:01 2008
From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:26:01 -0500
Subject: 2009 SACL Conference
Message-ID: <THU.25.SEP.2008.132601.0500.>

Hello All,

I am seeking input from previous SACL Conference organizers.

Previously circulated information: Conference dates are set for June 
11-14, 2009 at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

The Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop is scheduled for Thursday-Friday, 
June 11-12. Johann and John are  organizing the sessions, etc. Catherine 
has offered to help co-ordinate things.

The General Papers Sessions are scheduled for Saturday-Sunday, June 13-14. 
Saturday afternoon is held open for a native language instruction focus, 
with invitations planned to being sent to the 4 Nebraska tribes (and 
others?) to participate. I will organize these sessions.

I am wanting to jump early on the budget and logistical issues.

>>From my limited experiences with prior SACC and Dhegiha meetings I recall 
that folks fairly well cover their own expenses for travel, room, & board. 


Conference registration fees are minimal, and generally cover session 
break "munchies".

Conference attendance (presenters and audience) does not exceed 50.

Technology needs range from whiteboard/pens, through overhead projectors, 
to PowerPoint-capable computers and projectors.

Access to photocopiers, email, and internet are desirable, and local 
eateries should be close at hand.

For 2009: 

I would like to be able to provide some level of fuel, lodging, and/or 
honorariums for tribal educators planning to present on Saturday, with an 
expectation of their coming in to town Friday night, and/or staying over 
Saturday night.

I would like to commission the local Lincoln Indian Club, an intertribal 
social group, to cook a Saturday evening meal and host a hand game at the 
nearby Lincoln Indian Center.

I would like to plan for an off-campus dinner at some restaurant on 
Wednesday evening for early-bird arrivals.

I plan to check into reserving a block of rooms for the conference at the 
downtown Holiday Inn. The University routinely uses this hotel.

I plan to check on availability of campus dormitory rooms, although there 
is much competition with summer "camps" using those facilities.

I expect any funding will have to come piece-meal from various 
departments, academic programs, the College of Arts and Sciences, the 
Lincoln Indian Center,... and perhaps the Office of the Vice Chancellor of 
Research.

I would anticipate we will meet in conference rooms in the Student Union. 
They are set up with all of the technology. I believe they require we use 
their catering service for beverages/munchies.

I would invite the UNL anthropology student organization to assist in the 
ground work during the conference.

I would like to organize a brief visit to the UNL Center for Digital 
Research in the Humanities at Love Library to meet the staff and look over 
the Omaha and Ponca Digital Dictionary project that would be ending its 
first year.

Can you all tell me what have been your experiences in terms of 
accommodations and actual expenses in past conferences?

Am I overlooking something(s) vital?

It would be swell if you could collect your thoughts and let me know in 
the next few days.

Many thanks,
Uthixide


Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.
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From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Fri Sep 26 08:25:45 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:25:45 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E06B1@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.SEP.2008.102545.0200.>

Dear Bob,

thanks for your confirmation and the positive response with regard to the instrumentals. 

I fully agree that we have to postpone the overview chapters until the specific topic chapters are written. The 
overview chapters have an introducty and summarizing function for the future reader.

I also support the idea to integrate a chapter on sound correspondences into the program. And perhaps an 
overview chapter on the historical development of Siouan would fit also pretty fine into the whole project? 
We'll try to get John Koontz back into the boat doing the sound correspondences. John, can you hear us...?

I particularly like your idea about contributions which treat the exceptinal characteristics of SLs from a 
theoretical or typological point of view. Whether this finally fills a separate volume or not, I don't kow, but I 
really would like to follow this path too. I would like to hear what the others think about it.

I am, of course, willing to answer questions regarding the grammar of Hocank.

Best
Johannes


Datum:	Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:24:29 -0500
Antwort an:	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:	"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
An:	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop

> Johannes, John et al.,
>  
> The organizational chart looks good to me.  I am happy with the
> affix/clitic sections assigned to me and will be happy to try to
> address the instrumental prefixes also, as you suggest.  I have
> already done reconstructions of these, so notes on their relative
> positions, uses, etc. are what is left for me to work on.  The
> suffixes/enclitics will take the most time and effort.
>  
> I would suggest that your first topic, "Overview on common Siouan
> grammar" be postponed until the other chapters have been written and
> presented.  Then someone could summarize the conclusions.
>  
> Somewhere it was suggested that there be a survey of the sound
> correspondence sets for Siouan.  John Koontz some years ago sent me a
> copy of such a survey in chart form that he had compiled.  With a
> little discussion, it would be ideal, and he would be the ideal person
> to do it, if you can break him away from his other responsibilities. 
>  
> In light of our earlier discussion, with its mild disagreements, on
> the relationship between this volume and linguistic theory, I'd like
> to suggest a second volume of studies.  The first vol. would be the
> one we are presently working on -- intended for language specialists
> and as theory-neutral as we can make it using our own best judgment. 
> The second volume would be aimed specifically at general linguists
> (theorists/typologists) and would address "implications of Siouan
> linguistics for linguistic theory and typology."  There are already a
> number of exceptional characteristics that make Siouan languages
> special and interesting to theoreticians.
>  
> The status of adjectives/stative verbs in Siouan. (modified nouns as
> mini-rel. clauses, etc.).
> Reduplication patterns in Siouan (yamni/yamnimni, etc.).
> Status of nasal sonorants as universals.
> Clausal incorporation and the limits of incorporation (as in Crow).
> Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w,
> r, l).
>  
> Those are just a few I can imagine off the top of my head.  Those with
> a more formal bent will be able to think of many more.  Such contents
> would be very different from the "Handbuch" type of thing we're
> working on right now.  But both slants are very important.  
>  
> That's it for now.  I'll be happy to try to provide answers to
> questions re Kansa and Quapaw.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes
> Helmbrecht
> Sent: Tue 9/16/2008 6:35 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; jpboyle at uchicago.edu
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
> 
> 
> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> 
> as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar
> (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in
> Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at
> Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which
> will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics
> conference. 
> 
> 
> John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the
> preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the
> potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective
> papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is
> that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or
> construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some
> expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that
> all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the
> knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be
> consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional
> diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs
> (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is possible). 
> 
> 
> So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an
> almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a
> plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge
> from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.
> 
> 
> Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together
> during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list
> eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a
> revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table
> below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your
> screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't
> be blocked)
> 
> 
> Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)
> Chapters:
> Topics
> Authors
> Introduction
> Overview on common Siouan grammar
> ?
> Noun and noun-phrase operations
> Overview of the noun and noun phrase
> ?
> Determiners and positionals
> ?Carolyn Quintero?
> Definite and indefinite articles
> ?
> Demonstratives
> ?
> Nominal compounds
> ?
> Nominal possession
> ?John Koontz
> Relative clauses
> John Boyle
> Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations
> Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal
> participants
> ?
> Instrumentals
> ?Bob Rankin
> Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)
> Johannes Helmbrecht
> Causative constructions 
> Johannes Helmbrecht
> Noun incorporation
> William de Reuse
> Reflexive constructions
> ?
> Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
> Regina Pustet
> Verb and verb-phrase operations
> Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb - form and function
> ?
> Verb classes in SL
> ?
> Deictic motion verbs 
> Linda Cumberland
> Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of
> prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
> Bob Rankin
> Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms
> throughout SL)
> ?John Koontz
> Plural marking 
> (plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
> ?John Koontz
> Indefinite absolutive *waa-
> John Boyle
> Tense/ Aspect marking
> Regina Pustet
> Modality in SL
> Iren Hartmann
> Pragmatically marked structures
> Topic and topicalization constructions
> ?
> Focus marking and focus marking constructions
> ?
> Negation 
> (phrasal negation and clausal negation)
> ?
> Question word questions (t-words)
> Bruce Ingham
> Clause combinations
> Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL
> ?
> Serial verb constructions
> ?David Rood
> Switch reference and clause chaining
> Randy Graczyk
> Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
> Catherine Rudin
> Adverbial subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)
> John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht
> The SLs individually
> 1.
> The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be
> the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook
> of North American Indians
> 2.
> 3.
> 4.
> Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in
> grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb
> and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked
> clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend
> to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model
> of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan
> Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.
> 
> 
> The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with
> regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and
> verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with
> regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can
> imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on
> topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have
> not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the
> asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem,
> everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has
> spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the
> individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on
> the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we
> put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never
> volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought ....
> perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark,
> because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take
> over the topic they are assigned to in this list.
> 
> 
> Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is
> the following:
> 
> 
> a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on
> this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession
> (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)
> 
> 
> b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to
> reformulate the titles?
> 
> 
> c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked
> with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free
> fields...)
> 
> 
> d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are
> already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with
> the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 
> 
> 
> e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her
> research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed
> to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings
> - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and
> enriched with additional data from other SLs now)
> 
> 
> We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create
> a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the
> CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this
> purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of
> contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of
> the them so that people can communicate directly with the other
> participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).
> 
> 
> That's it for the moment. 
> 
> 
> All the best (also on behalf of John)
> Johannes
> 
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> --
> 
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universität Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakultät IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universitätsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>         ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 
> 


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From jmcbride at kawnation.com  Fri Sep 26 13:57:46 2008
From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (Justin McBride)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:57:46 -0500
Subject: 2009 SACL Conference
Message-ID: <FRI.26.SEP.2008.085746.0500.>

Mark,

Your plan sounds very much like what Bob and I looked at when we hosted the doin's down in Kaw City in 2005.  We blocked some rooms at a local Econo-Lodge, checked on the availability of nearby campsites for the adventurous, secured a van for shuttle service to and from the motel and the event (which I believe only one participant took advantage of), made sure we had all our presentation needs available (meeting space, projectors, screen, copier, stapler, etc.), got some donations on donuts and bottled water, made preparations for one big tribal feed on Friday night, and then just let everyone on the list know about it.  Then we sent out a batch of personal letters to Siouan and Caddoan tribes in Oklahoma to let them know what we were doing and how they might participate.  There were also a few day-of cosiderations, including drafting a sign-in sheet, getting a money box with change and receipts for collection of registration fees, arrangement of chairs, making copies of papers for those not in attendance, and requesting a tribal Elder to offer an opening prayer (which I completely forgot about until the absolute last minute).  In retrospect, I think we overplanned the event in general, but drastically underplanned the big tribal feed, which just happened to double as a retirement feast for Bob.  That dinner required assistance from the tribe's cook, her staff, the entire Cultural Committee, and our traditional servers.  This required a small giveaway, for which Bob had the ingenious idea of asking participants coming from far afield to donate swag from their affiliated institutions.  Very smart.  In the end, I never heard any complaints about the festivities.  So I guess it all worked out well.  That sounds about right, doesn't it, Bob?

I hope this helps,
-Justin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland 
  To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:26 PM
  Subject: 2009 SACL Conference



  Hello All, 

  I am seeking input from previous SACL Conference organizers. 

  Previously circulated information: Conference dates are set for June 11-14, 2009 at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. 

  The Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop is scheduled for Thursday-Friday, June 11-12. Johann and John are  organizing the sessions, etc. Catherine has offered to help co-ordinate things. 

  The General Papers Sessions are scheduled for Saturday-Sunday, June 13-14. Saturday afternoon is held open for a native language instruction focus, with invitations planned to being sent to the 4 Nebraska tribes (and others?) to participate. I will organize these sessions. 

  I am wanting to jump early on the budget and logistical issues. 

  From my limited experiences with prior SACC and Dhegiha meetings I recall that folks fairly well cover their own expenses for travel, room, & board. 

  Conference registration fees are minimal, and generally cover session break "munchies". 

  Conference attendance (presenters and audience) does not exceed 50. 

  Technology needs range from whiteboard/pens, through overhead projectors, to PowerPoint-capable computers and projectors. 

  Access to photocopiers, email, and internet are desirable, and local eateries should be close at hand. 

  For 2009: 

  I would like to be able to provide some level of fuel, lodging, and/or honorariums for tribal educators planning to present on Saturday, with an expectation of their coming in to town Friday night, and/or staying over Saturday night. 

  I would like to commission the local Lincoln Indian Club, an intertribal social group, to cook a Saturday evening meal and host a hand game at the nearby Lincoln Indian Center. 

  I would like to plan for an off-campus dinner at some restaurant on Wednesday evening for early-bird arrivals. 

  I plan to check into reserving a block of rooms for the conference at the downtown Holiday Inn. The University routinely uses this hotel. 

  I plan to check on availability of campus dormitory rooms, although there is much competition with summer "camps" using those facilities. 

  I expect any funding will have to come piece-meal from various departments, academic programs, the College of Arts and Sciences, the Lincoln Indian Center,... and perhaps the Office of the Vice Chancellor of Research. 

  I would anticipate we will meet in conference rooms in the Student Union. They are set up with all of the technology. I believe they require we use their catering service for beverages/munchies. 

  I would invite the UNL anthropology student organization to assist in the ground work during the conference. 

  I would like to organize a brief visit to the UNL Center for Digital Research in the Humanities at Love Library to meet the staff and look over the Omaha and Ponca Digital Dictionary project that would be ending its first year. 

  Can you all tell me what have been your experiences in terms of accommodations and actual expenses in past conferences? 

  Am I overlooking something(s) vital? 

  It would be swell if you could collect your thoughts and let me know in the next few days. 

  Many thanks, 
  Uthixide 


  Mark Awakuni-Swetland
  Assistant Professor of Anthropology
  and Native American Studies
  University of Nebraska
  Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

  http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
  Phone 402-472-3455
  FAX: 402-472-9642

  "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.
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From rankin at ku.edu  Fri Sep 26 15:10:48 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:10:48 -0500
Subject: 2009 SACL Conference
Message-ID: <FRI.26.SEP.2008.101048.0500.>

I think Justin got it right.  He remembers things that I'd forgotten about.  
 
One thing I might mention about having meetings at KU.  Our univ. has a policy that all conferences held on campus have to be organized through the Continuing Education people.  We are not allowed to simply book a classroom and hold an impromptu meeting.  This fact tends to raise all the prices.  When we piggybacked on the Mid-America meeting a year ago you may remember that the registration fee was pretty stiff.  The Continuing Ed folks do provide all the name tags, munchies, etc., but at a price.  If you can organize without them, it's a lot cheaper and just as nice.  The registration fee for participants was only part of the problem.  They wanted hundreds of dollars to do the meeting.  I think we got some sort of support from the University.  But NU may be different and less bureaucratic.
 
If I had to organize the meeting here in Lawrence by myself, I'd probably ignore KU and get a room at the public library or the conference motel instead because of the expense.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Justin McBride
Sent: Fri 9/26/2008 8:57 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 2009 SACL Conference


Mark,
 
Your plan sounds very much like what Bob and I looked at when we hosted the doin's down in Kaw City in 2005.  We blocked some rooms at a local Econo-Lodge, checked on the availability of nearby campsites for the adventurous, secured a van for shuttle service to and from the motel and the event (which I believe only one participant took advantage of), made sure we had all our presentation needs available (meeting space, projectors, screen, copier, stapler, etc.), got some donations on donuts and bottled water, made preparations for one big tribal feed on Friday night, and then just let everyone on the list know about it.  Then we sent out a batch of personal letters to Siouan and Caddoan tribes in Oklahoma to let them know what we were doing and how they might participate.  There were also a few day-of cosiderations, including drafting a sign-in sheet, getting a money box with change and receipts for collection of registration fees, arrangement of chairs, making copies of papers for those not in attendance, and requesting a tribal Elder to offer an opening prayer (which I completely forgot about until the absolute last minute).  In retrospect, I think we overplanned the event in general, but drastically underplanned the big tribal feed, which just happened to double as a retirement feast for Bob.  That dinner required assistance from the tribe's cook, her staff, the entire Cultural Committee, and our traditional servers.  This required a small giveaway, for which Bob had the ingenious idea of asking participants coming from far afield to donate swag from their affiliated institutions.  Very smart.  In the end, I never heard any complaints about the festivities.  So I guess it all worked out well.  That sounds about right, doesn't it, Bob?
 
I hope this helps,
-Justin
 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland <mailto:mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu>  
	To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
	Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:26 PM
	Subject: 2009 SACL Conference


	Hello All, 
	
	I am seeking input from previous SACL Conference organizers. 
	
	Previously circulated information: Conference dates are set for June 11-14, 2009 at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. 
	
	The Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop is scheduled for Thursday-Friday, June 11-12. Johann and John are  organizing the sessions, etc. Catherine has offered to help co-ordinate things. 
	
	The General Papers Sessions are scheduled for Saturday-Sunday, June 13-14. Saturday afternoon is held open for a native language instruction focus, with invitations planned to being sent to the 4 Nebraska tribes (and others?) to participate. I will organize these sessions. 
	
	I am wanting to jump early on the budget and logistical issues. 
	
	From my limited experiences with prior SACC and Dhegiha meetings I recall that folks fairly well cover their own expenses for travel, room, & board. 
	
	Conference registration fees are minimal, and generally cover session break "munchies". 
	
	Conference attendance (presenters and audience) does not exceed 50. 
	
	Technology needs range from whiteboard/pens, through overhead projectors, to PowerPoint-capable computers and projectors. 
	
	Access to photocopiers, email, and internet are desirable, and local eateries should be close at hand. 
	
	For 2009: 
	
	I would like to be able to provide some level of fuel, lodging, and/or honorariums for tribal educators planning to present on Saturday, with an expectation of their coming in to town Friday night, and/or staying over Saturday night. 
	
	I would like to commission the local Lincoln Indian Club, an intertribal social group, to cook a Saturday evening meal and host a hand game at the nearby Lincoln Indian Center. 
	
	I would like to plan for an off-campus dinner at some restaurant on Wednesday evening for early-bird arrivals. 
	
	I plan to check into reserving a block of rooms for the conference at the downtown Holiday Inn. The University routinely uses this hotel. 
	
	I plan to check on availability of campus dormitory rooms, although there is much competition with summer "camps" using those facilities. 
	
	I expect any funding will have to come piece-meal from various departments, academic programs, the College of Arts and Sciences, the Lincoln Indian Center,... and perhaps the Office of the Vice Chancellor of Research. 
	
	I would anticipate we will meet in conference rooms in the Student Union. They are set up with all of the technology. I believe they require we use their catering service for beverages/munchies. 
	
	I would invite the UNL anthropology student organization to assist in the ground work during the conference. 
	
	I would like to organize a brief visit to the UNL Center for Digital Research in the Humanities at Love Library to meet the staff and look over the Omaha and Ponca Digital Dictionary project that would be ending its first year. 
	
	Can you all tell me what have been your experiences in terms of accommodations and actual expenses in past conferences? 
	
	Am I overlooking something(s) vital? 
	
	It would be swell if you could collect your thoughts and let me know in the next few days. 
	
	Many thanks, 
	Uthixide 
	
	
	Mark Awakuni-Swetland
	Assistant Professor of Anthropology
	and Native American Studies
	University of Nebraska
	Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
	
	http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
	Phone 402-472-3455
	FAX: 402-472-9642
	
	"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.


From rgraczyk at aol.com  Tue Sep 30 16:43:02 2008
From: rgraczyk at aol.com (rgraczyk at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:43:02 -0400
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080916113606.C6D2283B54@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.30.SEP.2008.124302.0400.>

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.  I'll be happy to do the section on switch reference and clause-chaining.

Randy





-----Original Message-----
From: Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de>
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; jpboyle at uchicago.edu
Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 4:35 am
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop



Dear Siouanists,




as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics conference. 




John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is pos
sible). 




So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.




Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)




Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)







Chapters:



Topics



Authors





Introduction



Overview on common Siouan grammar



?





Noun and noun-phrase operations



Overview of the noun and noun phrase



?





Determiners and positionals



?Carolyn Quintero†





Definite and indefinite articles



?





Demonstratives



?





Nominal compounds



?





Nominal possession



?John Koontz





Relative clauses



John Boyle





Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations



Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal participants



?





Instrumentals



?Bob Rankin





Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)



Joh
annes Helmbrecht





Causative constructions 



Johannes Helmbrecht





Noun incorporation



William de Reuse





Reflexive constructions



?





Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL



Regina Pustet





Verb and verb-phrase operations



Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb – form and function 



?









Verb classes in SL



?





Deictic motion verbs 



Linda Cumberland





Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)



Bob Rankin





Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms throughout SL)



?John Koontz





Plural marking 

(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 



?John Koontz





Indefinite absolutive *waa-



John Boyle





Tense/ Aspect marking



Regina Pustet





Modality in SL



Iren Hartmann









Pragmatically marked structures



Topic and topicalization constructions



?





Focus marking and focus marking constructions



?





Negation 

(phrasal negation and clausal negation)



?





Question word questions (t-words)



Bruce Ingham





Clause combinations



Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL



?





Serial verb constructions



?David Rood





Switch reference and clause chaining



Randy Graczyk





Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)



Catherine Rudin





Adverbial=2
0subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)



John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht





The SLs individually



1.



The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook of North American Indians





2.





3.





4.





Etc.











As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.




The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has spare time and work resources available. The20main problem for the individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic they are assigned to in this list.




Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:




a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)




b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?




c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free fields...)




d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 




e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened20and enriched with additional data from other SLs now)




We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).




That's it for the moment. 




All the best (also on behalf of John)

Johannes























































--




Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht

Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft

Universität Regensburg

Philosophische Fakultät IV 

Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft

Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg

Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388

        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de

Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm

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From ejjhalsey at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 17:09:09 2008
From: ejjhalsey at yahoo.com (Elliott Halsey)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:09:09 -0700
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E05E6@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.5.SEP.2008.100909.0700.>

I am writing to inform you, regretfully, that Elliot Halsey passed away in  April.  It was sudden and unexpected.  Would it be possible for you to remove  this email address from your mailing list?

Thank you


--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Rankin, Robert L <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:

> From: Rankin, Robert L <rankin at ku.edu>
> Subject: RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:25 AM
> Just spent the week in Kaw City, so I'm only now getting
> around to doing anything but a cursory reading of my mail.  
>  
> > Rory writes:  I wonder if we aren't dancing around
> a difference in our fundamental conceptions of what language
> is about here. 
>  
> > Ardis writes:  People will be interested in this for
> the language and not the theory, . . .
>  
> I think what we're dancing around is our concept of
> what *this* projected volume is about.  We all have deep
> interests in one or another aspect of linguistics as a
> science, be it underlying syntactic or semantic structure,
> reconstructive methodology, language teaching, phonological
> economy, language use and society, or what-have-you. 
> That's well and good and nobody should apologize for it.
>  
>  
> My sole concern -- probably not expressed very well
> originally -- is in producing a treatment of specifically
> Siouan languages that will be easily intelligible to
> scholars 200 years from now.  (This is what I've always
> tried to convey to students writing dissertations on
> particular languages or language families.)  This places
> certain constraints on us all, and we need to concentrate on
> exposition using terms, concepts and abstractions that have
> stood, or will stand, the test of time.  Since my crystal
> ball is a bit cloudy, and I've seen a lot of rapid
> turnover in synchronic theories, I tend to be a bit
> conservative in these matters.  But if we all keep in mind
> the somewhat narrow goal of communicating to generations to
> come what Siouan languages are/were like, and recognize that
> not everything in current, cutting-edge linguistic theory is
> "built to last," we should do just fine without
> having to nanny each other.
>  
> And for you younger folk (i.e., everybody except Hu
> Matthews), most schools give more credit toward promotion,
> etc. for theory articles published in refereed journals than
> for papers published in the sort of anthology we have in
> mind anyway.  So where we address our truly theoretical
> concerns should be a pretty easy decision.  _Linguistic
> Inquiry_ and _Language_ are probably at the top of the list.
>  
> Bob


      


From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Tue Sep 16 11:35:43 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:35:43 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080707084755.16204804CF@rrzmta2.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.SEP.2008.133543.0200.>

Dear Siouanists,

as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11-
12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, 
John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and 
Caddoan linguistics conference. 

John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as 
possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The 
particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical 
category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many 
SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the 
knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the 
formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a 
historical reconstruction if that is possible). 

So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by 
the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this 
research. Both items have to go hand in hand.

Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, 
(John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and 
systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out 
correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)

Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)

Chapters:
Topics
Authors

Introduction
Overview on common Siouan grammar
?

Noun and noun-phrase 
operations
Overview of the noun and noun phrase
?


Determiners and positionals
?Carolyn Quintero+


Definite and indefinite articles
?


Demonstratives
?


Nominal compounds
?


Nominal possession
?John Koontz


Relative clauses
John Boyle

Grammatical relations 
and valency adjusting 
operations
Overview of the basic patterns of the 
marking of clausal participants
?


Instrumentals
?Bob Rankin


Applicatives (locative, instrument and 
benefactive applicatives)
Johannes Helmbrecht


Causative constructions 
Johannes Helmbrecht


Noun incorporation
William de Reuse


Reflexive constructions
?


Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
Regina Pustet

Verb and verb-phrase 
operations
Overview of the grammatical categories 
of the verb - form and function 
?


Verb classes in SL
?


Deictic motion verbs 
Linda Cumberland


Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology 
(template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
Bob Rankin


Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal 
affixes, forms and paradigms throughout 
SL)
?John Koontz


Plural marking 
(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
?John Koontz


Indefinite absolutive *waa-
John Boyle


Tense/ Aspect marking
Regina Pustet


Modality in SL
Iren Hartmann

Pragmatically marked 
structures
Topic and topicalization constructions
?


Focus marking and focus marking 
constructions
?


Negation 
(phrasal negation and clausal negation)
?


Question word questions (t-words)
Bruce Ingham

Clause combinations
Overview of the grammatical devices of 
clause combining in SL
?


Serial verb constructions
?David Rood


Switch reference and clause chaining
Randy Graczyk


Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
Catherine Rudin


Adverbial subordination (temporal, 
conditional etc.)
John Boyle & Johannes 
Helmbrecht

The SLs individually
1.
The role model for the 
structure of the individual 
sketches could be the 
sketch by David Rood and 
Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of 
the Handbook of North 
American Indians


2.



3.



4.



Etc.




As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun 
phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically 
marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical 
sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by 
David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.

The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research 
needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier 
with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult 
to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have   
not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the 
topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she 
has spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the individual contributor will be 
to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit 
that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but 
since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a 
question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic 
they are assigned to in this list.

Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:

a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should 
we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)

b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?

c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note 
that there are many many free fields...)

d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether 
they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 

e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next 
June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in 
Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and enriched with additional 
data from other SLs now)

We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform 
exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for 
this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would 
distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other 
participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).

That's it for the moment. 

All the best (also on behalf of John)
Johannes


















--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
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From linguista at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 16:22:01 2008
From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:22:01 -0700
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080916113606.C6D2283B54@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.SEP.2008.092201.0700.>

Johannes,

I could at very least contribute on topic- and focus-marking strategies in
Omaha-Ponca and Jiwere. If other people want to share with me their
impressions of how it works in their languages, all the better.

It's too bad there are no phonologists among us. I'm looking at stress and
vowel length in OP right now, but nothing comparative in scope. But of
course phonological shifts are already well-represented in the historical
side of things: perhaps there should be a chapter covering historical sound
shifts?

-- 
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Bryan James Gordon, MA
Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology
University of Arizona
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From CaRudin1 at wsc.edu  Thu Sep 18 14:19:19 2008
From: CaRudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080916113606.C6D2283B54@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <THU.18.SEP.2008.091919.0500.>

Johannes and everyone -
Yes, I'll do coordination, as listed, and I do plan on presenting it at S&CC in Lincoln.
 
I'm sure there are other topics that could be added, but this looks more than adequate for now! 
 
Thanks for getting us going-
Catherine

>>> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht" <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 9/16/2008 6:35 AM >>>
Dear Siouanists,


as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics conference. 


John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is possible). 


So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.


Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)


Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)

Chapters:
Topics
Authors
Introduction
Overview on common Siouan grammar
?
Noun and noun-phrase operations
Overview of the noun and noun phrase
?
Determiners and positionals
?Carolyn Quintero?
Definite and indefinite articles
?
Demonstratives
?
Nominal compounds
?
Nominal possession
?John Koontz
Relative clauses
John Boyle
Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations
Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal participants
?
Instrumentals
?Bob Rankin
Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)
Johannes Helmbrecht
Causative constructions 
Johannes Helmbrecht
Noun incorporation
William de Reuse
Reflexive constructions
?
Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
Regina Pustet
Verb and verb-phrase operations
Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb ? form and function 
?

Verb classes in SL
?
Deictic motion verbs 
Linda Cumberland
Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
Bob Rankin
Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms throughout SL)
?John Koontz
Plural marking 
(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
?John Koontz
Indefinite absolutive *waa-
John Boyle
Tense/ Aspect marking
Regina Pustet
Modality in SL
Iren Hartmann

Pragmatically marked structures
Topic and topicalization constructions
?
Focus marking and focus marking constructions
?
Negation 
(phrasal negation and clausal negation)
?
Question word questions (t-words)
Bruce Ingham
Clause combinations
Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL
?
Serial verb constructions
?David Rood
Switch reference and clause chaining
Randy Graczyk
Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
Catherine Rudin
Adverbial subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)
John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht
The SLs individually
1.
The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook of North American Indians
2.
3.
4.
Etc.




As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.


The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic they are assigned to in this list.


Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:


a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)


b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?


c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free fields...)


d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 


e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and enriched with additional data from other SLs now)


We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).


That's it for the moment. 


All the best (also on behalf of John)
Johannes




































--


Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
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From rankin at ku.edu  Tue Sep 23 20:24:29 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:24:29 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.152429.0500.>

Johannes, John et al.,
 
The organizational chart looks good to me.  I am happy with the affix/clitic sections assigned to me and will be happy to try to address the instrumental prefixes also, as you suggest.  I have already done reconstructions of these, so notes on their relative positions, uses, etc. are what is left for me to work on.  The suffixes/enclitics will take the most time and effort.
 
I would suggest that your first topic, "Overview on common Siouan grammar" be postponed until the other chapters have been written and presented.  Then someone could summarize the conclusions.
 
Somewhere it was suggested that there be a survey of the sound correspondence sets for Siouan.  John Koontz some years ago sent me a copy of such a survey in chart form that he had compiled.  With a little discussion, it would be ideal, and he would be the ideal person to do it, if you can break him away from his other responsibilities.  
 
In light of our earlier discussion, with its mild disagreements, on the relationship between this volume and linguistic theory, I'd like to suggest a second volume of studies.  The first vol. would be the one we are presently working on -- intended for language specialists and as theory-neutral as we can make it using our own best judgment.  The second volume would be aimed specifically at general linguists (theorists/typologists) and would address "implications of Siouan linguistics for linguistic theory and typology."  There are already a number of exceptional characteristics that make Siouan languages special and interesting to theoreticians.
 
The status of adjectives/stative verbs in Siouan. (modified nouns as mini-rel. clauses, etc.).
Reduplication patterns in Siouan (yamni/yamnimni, etc.).
Status of nasal sonorants as universals.
Clausal incorporation and the limits of incorporation (as in Crow).
Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r, l).
 
Those are just a few I can imagine off the top of my head.  Those with a more formal bent will be able to think of many more.  Such contents would be very different from the "Handbuch" type of thing we're working on right now.  But both slants are very important.  
 
That's it for now.  I'll be happy to try to provide answers to questions re Kansa and Quapaw.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Sent: Tue 9/16/2008 6:35 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; jpboyle at uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop


Dear Siouanists,


as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics conference. 


John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is possible). 


So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.


Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)


Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)
Chapters:
Topics
Authors
Introduction
Overview on common Siouan grammar
?
Noun and noun-phrase operations
Overview of the noun and noun phrase
?
Determiners and positionals
?Carolyn Quintero?
Definite and indefinite articles
?
Demonstratives
?
Nominal compounds
?
Nominal possession
?John Koontz
Relative clauses
John Boyle
Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations
Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal participants
?
Instrumentals
?Bob Rankin
Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)
Johannes Helmbrecht
Causative constructions 
Johannes Helmbrecht
Noun incorporation
William de Reuse
Reflexive constructions
?
Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
Regina Pustet
Verb and verb-phrase operations
Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb - form and function 
?
Verb classes in SL
?
Deictic motion verbs 
Linda Cumberland
Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
Bob Rankin
Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms throughout SL)
?John Koontz
Plural marking 
(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
?John Koontz
Indefinite absolutive *waa-
John Boyle
Tense/ Aspect marking
Regina Pustet
Modality in SL
Iren Hartmann
Pragmatically marked structures
Topic and topicalization constructions
?
Focus marking and focus marking constructions
?
Negation 
(phrasal negation and clausal negation)
?
Question word questions (t-words)
Bruce Ingham
Clause combinations
Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL
?
Serial verb constructions
?David Rood
Switch reference and clause chaining
Randy Graczyk
Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
Catherine Rudin
Adverbial subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)
John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht
The SLs individually
1.
The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook of North American Indians
2.
3.
4.
Etc.




As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.


The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic they are assigned to in this list.


Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:


a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)


b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?


c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free fields...)


d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 


e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and enriched with additional data from other SLs now)


We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).


That's it for the moment. 


All the best (also on behalf of John)
Johannes




































--


Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 


From rwd0002 at unt.edu  Tue Sep 23 22:14:56 2008
From: rwd0002 at unt.edu (rwd0002 at unt.edu)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:14:56 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E06B1@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.171456.0500.>

Thanks Bob for interesting comments.  I would be happy to write a short 
piece on noun incorporation across Siouan, as indicated in the 
schedule.  I pretty much have all I need for Dakotan and for Crow 
(thanks to Randy's superb grammar), but if people could send me info 
about the other languages/subdivisions, that would be helpful.

I agree that phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants is very 
interesting theoretically. There are nice parallels in Athabascan.  
What is reconstructed as Proto-Ath *w comes out as [w], or [m], but in 
some languages as voiced obstruent [b], functioning as a sonorant.

Best to all,

Willem

Bob Rankin wrote:

> Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r, l).


From linguista at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 22:21:54 2008
From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:21:54 -0700
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080923171456.gby1oelm2m80g0cw@eaglemail.unt.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.152154.0700.>

Let's not forget that /w/ in both Japanese and O'odham surfaces as a
bilabial fricative in certain contexts [?]. I believe that in both languages
the /w/ is produced with tensed rather than rounded lips, and has a much
lesser velar component than in English.

I thought y'all were talking about Ponca stops for a minute...now calling
them sonorants would explain the four-way stop contrast!

- BJG

2008/9/23 <rwd0002 at unt.edu>

> Thanks Bob for interesting comments.  I would be happy to write a short
> piece on noun incorporation across Siouan, as indicated in the schedule.  I
> pretty much have all I need for Dakotan and for Crow (thanks to Randy's
> superb grammar), but if people could send me info about the other
> languages/subdivisions, that would be helpful.
>
> I agree that phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants is very
> interesting theoretically. There are nice parallels in Athabascan.  What is
> reconstructed as Proto-Ath *w comes out as [w], or [m], but in some
> languages as voiced obstruent [b], functioning as a sonorant.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Willem
>
>
> Bob Rankin wrote:
>
>  Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r,
>> l).
>>
>
>


-- 
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Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology
University of Arizona
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From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu  Tue Sep 23 23:36:02 2008
From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:36:02 -0500
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <ad128a3d0809231521p2fde4e8kd7ea62844dbd8773@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.SEP.2008.183602.0500.>

Bryan wrote:
> Let's not forget that /w/ in both Japanese and O'odham surfaces as a 
bilabial fricative in certain contexts [?]. I believe that in both 
languages the /w/ is produced with tensed rather than rounded lips, and 
has a much lesser velar component than in English.

I can partially vouch for that in Japanese.  I noticed the tense rather 
than rounded quality of /w/ in the first semester from the teacher's 
pronunciation, as well as the lack of a real [u] sound; the Japanese /u/ 
comes out more like the sound in "book" than in "boot".  Except for /o/, 
they don't seem to round their lips.  On the other hand, I have also read 
somewhere that this is characteristic of the Tokyo dialect, so it might 
not apply to Japanese or Japonic in general.

The Japanese syllabaries are defective in the /w-/ set, having only /wa/ 
and sometimes /wo/, which latter seems to exist only as the object marker 
and is usually pronounced as a strong o.  The bilabial fricative is 
perhaps the ancestor of the /h-/ series, which surfaces as /b-/ and /p-/, 
as well as /h-/ for /ha/, /he/ and /ho/, a voiceless velar fricative for 
/hi/, a voiceless bilabial fricative for /hu/, and an alternate wa for 
/ha/ when used as the topic marker.  It looks like lips and velum may both 
have been used for this originally.

Rory

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From rankin at ku.edu  Thu Sep 25 14:15:10 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:15:10 -0500
Subject: Note job opportunity.
Message-ID: <THU.25.SEP.2008.091510.0500.>

U. Cal. San Diego is advertising for an Americanist to strengthen their Native American languages program.
 
Bob


From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu  Thu Sep 25 18:26:01 2008
From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:26:01 -0500
Subject: 2009 SACL Conference
Message-ID: <THU.25.SEP.2008.132601.0500.>

Hello All,

I am seeking input from previous SACL Conference organizers.

Previously circulated information: Conference dates are set for June 
11-14, 2009 at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

The Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop is scheduled for Thursday-Friday, 
June 11-12. Johann and John are  organizing the sessions, etc. Catherine 
has offered to help co-ordinate things.

The General Papers Sessions are scheduled for Saturday-Sunday, June 13-14. 
Saturday afternoon is held open for a native language instruction focus, 
with invitations planned to being sent to the 4 Nebraska tribes (and 
others?) to participate. I will organize these sessions.

I am wanting to jump early on the budget and logistical issues.

>>From my limited experiences with prior SACC and Dhegiha meetings I recall 
that folks fairly well cover their own expenses for travel, room, & board. 


Conference registration fees are minimal, and generally cover session 
break "munchies".

Conference attendance (presenters and audience) does not exceed 50.

Technology needs range from whiteboard/pens, through overhead projectors, 
to PowerPoint-capable computers and projectors.

Access to photocopiers, email, and internet are desirable, and local 
eateries should be close at hand.

For 2009: 

I would like to be able to provide some level of fuel, lodging, and/or 
honorariums for tribal educators planning to present on Saturday, with an 
expectation of their coming in to town Friday night, and/or staying over 
Saturday night.

I would like to commission the local Lincoln Indian Club, an intertribal 
social group, to cook a Saturday evening meal and host a hand game at the 
nearby Lincoln Indian Center.

I would like to plan for an off-campus dinner at some restaurant on 
Wednesday evening for early-bird arrivals.

I plan to check into reserving a block of rooms for the conference at the 
downtown Holiday Inn. The University routinely uses this hotel.

I plan to check on availability of campus dormitory rooms, although there 
is much competition with summer "camps" using those facilities.

I expect any funding will have to come piece-meal from various 
departments, academic programs, the College of Arts and Sciences, the 
Lincoln Indian Center,... and perhaps the Office of the Vice Chancellor of 
Research.

I would anticipate we will meet in conference rooms in the Student Union. 
They are set up with all of the technology. I believe they require we use 
their catering service for beverages/munchies.

I would invite the UNL anthropology student organization to assist in the 
ground work during the conference.

I would like to organize a brief visit to the UNL Center for Digital 
Research in the Humanities at Love Library to meet the staff and look over 
the Omaha and Ponca Digital Dictionary project that would be ending its 
first year.

Can you all tell me what have been your experiences in terms of 
accommodations and actual expenses in past conferences?

Am I overlooking something(s) vital?

It would be swell if you could collect your thoughts and let me know in 
the next few days.

Many thanks,
Uthixide


Mark Awakuni-Swetland
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
and Native American Studies
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
Phone 402-472-3455
FAX: 402-472-9642

"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.
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From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de  Fri Sep 26 08:25:45 2008
From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:25:45 +0200
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <C70AC5440FBE564E828E8051E8D3CBE6089E06B1@MAILBOXSIX.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.SEP.2008.102545.0200.>

Dear Bob,

thanks for your confirmation and the positive response with regard to the instrumentals. 

I fully agree that we have to postpone the overview chapters until the specific topic chapters are written. The 
overview chapters have an introducty and summarizing function for the future reader.

I also support the idea to integrate a chapter on sound correspondences into the program. And perhaps an 
overview chapter on the historical development of Siouan would fit also pretty fine into the whole project? 
We'll try to get John Koontz back into the boat doing the sound correspondences. John, can you hear us...?

I particularly like your idea about contributions which treat the exceptinal characteristics of SLs from a 
theoretical or typological point of view. Whether this finally fills a separate volume or not, I don't kow, but I 
really would like to follow this path too. I would like to hear what the others think about it.

I am, of course, willing to answer questions regarding the grammar of Hocank.

Best
Johannes


Datum:	Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:24:29 -0500
Antwort an:	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:	"Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
An:	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop

> Johannes, John et al.,
>  
> The organizational chart looks good to me.  I am happy with the
> affix/clitic sections assigned to me and will be happy to try to
> address the instrumental prefixes also, as you suggest.  I have
> already done reconstructions of these, so notes on their relative
> positions, uses, etc. are what is left for me to work on.  The
> suffixes/enclitics will take the most time and effort.
>  
> I would suggest that your first topic, "Overview on common Siouan
> grammar" be postponed until the other chapters have been written and
> presented.  Then someone could summarize the conclusions.
>  
> Somewhere it was suggested that there be a survey of the sound
> correspondence sets for Siouan.  John Koontz some years ago sent me a
> copy of such a survey in chart form that he had compiled.  With a
> little discussion, it would be ideal, and he would be the ideal person
> to do it, if you can break him away from his other responsibilities. 
>  
> In light of our earlier discussion, with its mild disagreements, on
> the relationship between this volume and linguistic theory, I'd like
> to suggest a second volume of studies.  The first vol. would be the
> one we are presently working on -- intended for language specialists
> and as theory-neutral as we can make it using our own best judgment. 
> The second volume would be aimed specifically at general linguists
> (theorists/typologists) and would address "implications of Siouan
> linguistics for linguistic theory and typology."  There are already a
> number of exceptional characteristics that make Siouan languages
> special and interesting to theoreticians.
>  
> The status of adjectives/stative verbs in Siouan. (modified nouns as
> mini-rel. clauses, etc.).
> Reduplication patterns in Siouan (yamni/yamnimni, etc.).
> Status of nasal sonorants as universals.
> Clausal incorporation and the limits of incorporation (as in Crow).
> Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w,
> r, l).
>  
> Those are just a few I can imagine off the top of my head.  Those with
> a more formal bent will be able to think of many more.  Such contents
> would be very different from the "Handbuch" type of thing we're
> working on right now.  But both slants are very important.  
>  
> That's it for now.  I'll be happy to try to provide answers to
> questions re Kansa and Quapaw.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes
> Helmbrecht
> Sent: Tue 9/16/2008 6:35 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; jpboyle at uchicago.edu
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
> 
> 
> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> 
> as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar
> (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in
> Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at
> Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which
> will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics
> conference. 
> 
> 
> John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the
> preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the
> potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective
> papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is
> that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or
> construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some
> expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that
> all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the
> knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be
> consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional
> diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs
> (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is possible). 
> 
> 
> So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an
> almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a
> plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge
> from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.
> 
> 
> Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together
> during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list
> eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a
> revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table
> below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your
> screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't
> be blocked)
> 
> 
> Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)
> Chapters:
> Topics
> Authors
> Introduction
> Overview on common Siouan grammar
> ?
> Noun and noun-phrase operations
> Overview of the noun and noun phrase
> ?
> Determiners and positionals
> ?Carolyn Quintero?
> Definite and indefinite articles
> ?
> Demonstratives
> ?
> Nominal compounds
> ?
> Nominal possession
> ?John Koontz
> Relative clauses
> John Boyle
> Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations
> Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal
> participants
> ?
> Instrumentals
> ?Bob Rankin
> Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)
> Johannes Helmbrecht
> Causative constructions 
> Johannes Helmbrecht
> Noun incorporation
> William de Reuse
> Reflexive constructions
> ?
> Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL
> Regina Pustet
> Verb and verb-phrase operations
> Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb - form and function
> ?
> Verb classes in SL
> ?
> Deictic motion verbs 
> Linda Cumberland
> Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of
> prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)
> Bob Rankin
> Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms
> throughout SL)
> ?John Koontz
> Plural marking 
> (plural marking on nouns and verbs) 
> ?John Koontz
> Indefinite absolutive *waa-
> John Boyle
> Tense/ Aspect marking
> Regina Pustet
> Modality in SL
> Iren Hartmann
> Pragmatically marked structures
> Topic and topicalization constructions
> ?
> Focus marking and focus marking constructions
> ?
> Negation 
> (phrasal negation and clausal negation)
> ?
> Question word questions (t-words)
> Bruce Ingham
> Clause combinations
> Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL
> ?
> Serial verb constructions
> ?David Rood
> Switch reference and clause chaining
> Randy Graczyk
> Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)
> Catherine Rudin
> Adverbial subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)
> John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht
> The SLs individually
> 1.
> The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be
> the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor  in Vol. 17 of the Handbook
> of North American Indians
> 2.
> 3.
> 4.
> Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in
> grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb
> and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked
> clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend
> to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model
> of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan
> Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.
> 
> 
> The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with
> regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and
> verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with
> regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can
> imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on
> topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have
> not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the
> asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem,
> everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has
> spare time and work resources available. The main problem for the
> individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on
> the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we
> put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never
> volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought ....
> perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark,
> because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take
> over the topic they are assigned to in this list.
> 
> 
> Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is
> the following:
> 
> 
> a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on
> this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession
> (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)
> 
> 
> b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to
> reformulate the titles?
> 
> 
> c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked
> with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free
> fields...)
> 
> 
> d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are
> already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with
> the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 
> 
> 
> e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her
> research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed
> to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings
> - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened and
> enriched with additional data from other SLs now)
> 
> 
> We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create
> a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the
> CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this
> purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of
> contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of
> the them so that people can communicate directly with the other
> participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).
> 
> 
> That's it for the moment. 
> 
> 
> All the best (also on behalf of John)
> Johannes
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universit?t Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universit?tsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
>         ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
> Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> <http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm> 
> 


--

Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universit?t Regensburg
Philosophische Fakult?t IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universit?tsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
        ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm


From jmcbride at kawnation.com  Fri Sep 26 13:57:46 2008
From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (Justin McBride)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:57:46 -0500
Subject: 2009 SACL Conference
Message-ID: <FRI.26.SEP.2008.085746.0500.>

Mark,

Your plan sounds very much like what Bob and I looked at when we hosted the doin's down in Kaw City in 2005.  We blocked some rooms at a local Econo-Lodge, checked on the availability of nearby campsites for the adventurous, secured a van for shuttle service to and from the motel and the event (which I believe only one participant took advantage of), made sure we had all our presentation needs available (meeting space, projectors, screen, copier, stapler, etc.), got some donations on donuts and bottled water, made preparations for one big tribal feed on Friday night, and then just let everyone on the list know about it.  Then we sent out a batch of personal letters to Siouan and Caddoan tribes in Oklahoma to let them know what we were doing and how they might participate.  There were also a few day-of cosiderations, including drafting a sign-in sheet, getting a money box with change and receipts for collection of registration fees, arrangement of chairs, making copies of papers for those not in attendance, and requesting a tribal Elder to offer an opening prayer (which I completely forgot about until the absolute last minute).  In retrospect, I think we overplanned the event in general, but drastically underplanned the big tribal feed, which just happened to double as a retirement feast for Bob.  That dinner required assistance from the tribe's cook, her staff, the entire Cultural Committee, and our traditional servers.  This required a small giveaway, for which Bob had the ingenious idea of asking participants coming from far afield to donate swag from their affiliated institutions.  Very smart.  In the end, I never heard any complaints about the festivities.  So I guess it all worked out well.  That sounds about right, doesn't it, Bob?

I hope this helps,
-Justin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland 
  To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:26 PM
  Subject: 2009 SACL Conference



  Hello All, 

  I am seeking input from previous SACL Conference organizers. 

  Previously circulated information: Conference dates are set for June 11-14, 2009 at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. 

  The Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop is scheduled for Thursday-Friday, June 11-12. Johann and John are  organizing the sessions, etc. Catherine has offered to help co-ordinate things. 

  The General Papers Sessions are scheduled for Saturday-Sunday, June 13-14. Saturday afternoon is held open for a native language instruction focus, with invitations planned to being sent to the 4 Nebraska tribes (and others?) to participate. I will organize these sessions. 

  I am wanting to jump early on the budget and logistical issues. 

  From my limited experiences with prior SACC and Dhegiha meetings I recall that folks fairly well cover their own expenses for travel, room, & board. 

  Conference registration fees are minimal, and generally cover session break "munchies". 

  Conference attendance (presenters and audience) does not exceed 50. 

  Technology needs range from whiteboard/pens, through overhead projectors, to PowerPoint-capable computers and projectors. 

  Access to photocopiers, email, and internet are desirable, and local eateries should be close at hand. 

  For 2009: 

  I would like to be able to provide some level of fuel, lodging, and/or honorariums for tribal educators planning to present on Saturday, with an expectation of their coming in to town Friday night, and/or staying over Saturday night. 

  I would like to commission the local Lincoln Indian Club, an intertribal social group, to cook a Saturday evening meal and host a hand game at the nearby Lincoln Indian Center. 

  I would like to plan for an off-campus dinner at some restaurant on Wednesday evening for early-bird arrivals. 

  I plan to check into reserving a block of rooms for the conference at the downtown Holiday Inn. The University routinely uses this hotel. 

  I plan to check on availability of campus dormitory rooms, although there is much competition with summer "camps" using those facilities. 

  I expect any funding will have to come piece-meal from various departments, academic programs, the College of Arts and Sciences, the Lincoln Indian Center,... and perhaps the Office of the Vice Chancellor of Research. 

  I would anticipate we will meet in conference rooms in the Student Union. They are set up with all of the technology. I believe they require we use their catering service for beverages/munchies. 

  I would invite the UNL anthropology student organization to assist in the ground work during the conference. 

  I would like to organize a brief visit to the UNL Center for Digital Research in the Humanities at Love Library to meet the staff and look over the Omaha and Ponca Digital Dictionary project that would be ending its first year. 

  Can you all tell me what have been your experiences in terms of accommodations and actual expenses in past conferences? 

  Am I overlooking something(s) vital? 

  It would be swell if you could collect your thoughts and let me know in the next few days. 

  Many thanks, 
  Uthixide 


  Mark Awakuni-Swetland
  Assistant Professor of Anthropology
  and Native American Studies
  University of Nebraska
  Lincoln, NE 68588-0368

  http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
  Phone 402-472-3455
  FAX: 402-472-9642

  "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.
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From rankin at ku.edu  Fri Sep 26 15:10:48 2008
From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:10:48 -0500
Subject: 2009 SACL Conference
Message-ID: <FRI.26.SEP.2008.101048.0500.>

I think Justin got it right.  He remembers things that I'd forgotten about.  
 
One thing I might mention about having meetings at KU.  Our univ. has a policy that all conferences held on campus have to be organized through the Continuing Education people.  We are not allowed to simply book a classroom and hold an impromptu meeting.  This fact tends to raise all the prices.  When we piggybacked on the Mid-America meeting a year ago you may remember that the registration fee was pretty stiff.  The Continuing Ed folks do provide all the name tags, munchies, etc., but at a price.  If you can organize without them, it's a lot cheaper and just as nice.  The registration fee for participants was only part of the problem.  They wanted hundreds of dollars to do the meeting.  I think we got some sort of support from the University.  But NU may be different and less bureaucratic.
 
If I had to organize the meeting here in Lawrence by myself, I'd probably ignore KU and get a room at the public library or the conference motel instead because of the expense.
 
Bob

________________________________

From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Justin McBride
Sent: Fri 9/26/2008 8:57 AM
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 2009 SACL Conference


Mark,
 
Your plan sounds very much like what Bob and I looked at when we hosted the doin's down in Kaw City in 2005.  We blocked some rooms at a local Econo-Lodge, checked on the availability of nearby campsites for the adventurous, secured a van for shuttle service to and from the motel and the event (which I believe only one participant took advantage of), made sure we had all our presentation needs available (meeting space, projectors, screen, copier, stapler, etc.), got some donations on donuts and bottled water, made preparations for one big tribal feed on Friday night, and then just let everyone on the list know about it.  Then we sent out a batch of personal letters to Siouan and Caddoan tribes in Oklahoma to let them know what we were doing and how they might participate.  There were also a few day-of cosiderations, including drafting a sign-in sheet, getting a money box with change and receipts for collection of registration fees, arrangement of chairs, making copies of papers for those not in attendance, and requesting a tribal Elder to offer an opening prayer (which I completely forgot about until the absolute last minute).  In retrospect, I think we overplanned the event in general, but drastically underplanned the big tribal feed, which just happened to double as a retirement feast for Bob.  That dinner required assistance from the tribe's cook, her staff, the entire Cultural Committee, and our traditional servers.  This required a small giveaway, for which Bob had the ingenious idea of asking participants coming from far afield to donate swag from their affiliated institutions.  Very smart.  In the end, I never heard any complaints about the festivities.  So I guess it all worked out well.  That sounds about right, doesn't it, Bob?
 
I hope this helps,
-Justin
 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland <mailto:mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu>  
	To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
	Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:26 PM
	Subject: 2009 SACL Conference


	Hello All, 
	
	I am seeking input from previous SACL Conference organizers. 
	
	Previously circulated information: Conference dates are set for June 11-14, 2009 at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. 
	
	The Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop is scheduled for Thursday-Friday, June 11-12. Johann and John are  organizing the sessions, etc. Catherine has offered to help co-ordinate things. 
	
	The General Papers Sessions are scheduled for Saturday-Sunday, June 13-14. Saturday afternoon is held open for a native language instruction focus, with invitations planned to being sent to the 4 Nebraska tribes (and others?) to participate. I will organize these sessions. 
	
	I am wanting to jump early on the budget and logistical issues. 
	
	From my limited experiences with prior SACC and Dhegiha meetings I recall that folks fairly well cover their own expenses for travel, room, & board. 
	
	Conference registration fees are minimal, and generally cover session break "munchies". 
	
	Conference attendance (presenters and audience) does not exceed 50. 
	
	Technology needs range from whiteboard/pens, through overhead projectors, to PowerPoint-capable computers and projectors. 
	
	Access to photocopiers, email, and internet are desirable, and local eateries should be close at hand. 
	
	For 2009: 
	
	I would like to be able to provide some level of fuel, lodging, and/or honorariums for tribal educators planning to present on Saturday, with an expectation of their coming in to town Friday night, and/or staying over Saturday night. 
	
	I would like to commission the local Lincoln Indian Club, an intertribal social group, to cook a Saturday evening meal and host a hand game at the nearby Lincoln Indian Center. 
	
	I would like to plan for an off-campus dinner at some restaurant on Wednesday evening for early-bird arrivals. 
	
	I plan to check into reserving a block of rooms for the conference at the downtown Holiday Inn. The University routinely uses this hotel. 
	
	I plan to check on availability of campus dormitory rooms, although there is much competition with summer "camps" using those facilities. 
	
	I expect any funding will have to come piece-meal from various departments, academic programs, the College of Arts and Sciences, the Lincoln Indian Center,... and perhaps the Office of the Vice Chancellor of Research. 
	
	I would anticipate we will meet in conference rooms in the Student Union. They are set up with all of the technology. I believe they require we use their catering service for beverages/munchies. 
	
	I would invite the UNL anthropology student organization to assist in the ground work during the conference. 
	
	I would like to organize a brief visit to the UNL Center for Digital Research in the Humanities at Love Library to meet the staff and look over the Omaha and Ponca Digital Dictionary project that would be ending its first year. 
	
	Can you all tell me what have been your experiences in terms of accommodations and actual expenses in past conferences? 
	
	Am I overlooking something(s) vital? 
	
	It would be swell if you could collect your thoughts and let me know in the next few days. 
	
	Many thanks, 
	Uthixide 
	
	
	Mark Awakuni-Swetland
	Assistant Professor of Anthropology
	and Native American Studies
	University of Nebraska
	Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
	
	http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
	Phone 402-472-3455
	FAX: 402-472-9642
	
	"Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa.


From rgraczyk at aol.com  Tue Sep 30 16:43:02 2008
From: rgraczyk at aol.com (rgraczyk at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:43:02 -0400
Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop
In-Reply-To: <20080916113606.C6D2283B54@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.30.SEP.2008.124302.0400.>

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.? I'll be happy to do the section on switch reference and clause-chaining.

Randy





-----Original Message-----
From: Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de>
To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; jpboyle at uchicago.edu
Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 4:35 am
Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop



Dear Siouanists,




as was decided in Joplin, the workshop on Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG) will take place on June, 11- 12 (i.e. Thursday/ Friday), 2009 in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mark takes care of the local organization at Lincoln, John Bolye offered to help me to organize this workshop which will then be part of the annual Siouan and Caddoan linguistics conference. 




John and I agree on the question that we have to start with the preparation of this workshop as early as possible in order to give the potential contributors a chance to do research for their respective papers. The particularity of the contributions of this workshop is that the papers will not deal with a certain grammatical category or construction in just one Siouan Language (the one we have some expertise in) but in as many SLs as possible. So, this implies that all available published and unpublished sources (inlcuding the knowledge and field notes of our fellow Siouanists) have to be consulted to get a comparative view of the formal and functional diversity of the respective grammatical phenomenon in the SLs (comprising also a historical reconstruction if that is pos
sible). 




So, the first step for the next six weeks would be to arrive at an almost final program for the workshop (by the end of Octovber) AND a plan for the contents and structure of the volumes which will emerge from this research. Both items have to go hand in hand.




Starting from the list of topics and volunteers which we put together during the Billings meeting in June 2006, (John found this list eventually on one of his computers), we would like to present a revised and systematized list of topics which is given in the table below. Since I do not know if this table comes out correctly on your screen, a pdf version is attached to this mail (which hopefully won't be blocked)




Comparative Siouan Grammar (CSG)







Chapters:



Topics



Authors





Introduction



Overview on common Siouan grammar



?





Noun and noun-phrase operations



Overview of the noun and noun phrase



?





Determiners and positionals



?Carolyn Quintero?





Definite and indefinite articles



?





Demonstratives



?





Nominal compounds



?





Nominal possession



?John Koontz





Relative clauses



John Boyle





Grammatical relations and valency adjusting operations



Overview of the basic patterns of the marking of clausal participants



?





Instrumentals



?Bob Rankin





Applicatives (locative, instrument and benefactive applicatives)



Joh
annes Helmbrecht





Causative constructions 



Johannes Helmbrecht





Noun incorporation



William de Reuse





Reflexive constructions



?





Oblique objects/ postpositions in SL



Regina Pustet





Verb and verb-phrase operations



Overview of the grammatical categories of the verb ? form and function 



?









Verb classes in SL



?





Deictic motion verbs 



Linda Cumberland





Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics)



Bob Rankin





Active-inactive pronominals (pronominal affixes, forms and paradigms throughout SL)



?John Koontz





Plural marking 

(plural marking on nouns and verbs) 



?John Koontz





Indefinite absolutive *waa-



John Boyle





Tense/ Aspect marking



Regina Pustet





Modality in SL



Iren Hartmann









Pragmatically marked structures



Topic and topicalization constructions



?





Focus marking and focus marking constructions



?





Negation 

(phrasal negation and clausal negation)



?





Question word questions (t-words)



Bruce Ingham





Clause combinations



Overview of the grammatical devices of clause combining in SL



?





Serial verb constructions



?David Rood





Switch reference and clause chaining



Randy Graczyk





Coordination (AND, BUT, OR)



Catherine Rudin





Adverbial=2
0subordination (temporal, conditional etc.)



John Boyle & Johannes Helmbrecht





The SLs individually



1.



The role model for the structure of the individual sketches could be the sketch by David Rood and Allan Taylor? in Vol. 17 of the Handbook of North American Indians





2.





3.





4.





Etc.











As can be seen, the topics are organized around central issues in grammar, the noun and the noun phrase, grammatical relations, the verb and the verb phrase, clause combination and pragmatically marked clausal structures. The last row in the table indicates that we intend to provide grammatical sketches of the individual SLs. The role model of these sketches could be the one of Lakhota by David Rood and Allan Taylor in the Handbook (Vol. 17). We have to discuss this later on.




The topics listed above are certainly different and asymmetric with regard to the amount of research needed. Plural marking in nouns and verbs and negation probably require less research and are easier with regard to data collection than other topics. For instance, I can imagine that it is pretty difficult to collect data and information on topic and topicalization strategies in SLs, since these things have not been investigated systematically in our languages. Anyway, the asymmetry of the size of the topics should not be a principle problem, everyone is free to volunteer for a second topic if he or she has spare time and work resources available. The20main problem for the individual contributor will be to gather the data and information on the chosen topic from the other languages. We have to admit that we put Bob Rankin in the field "Instrumentals" although he has never volunteered for this, but since prefixes are his topic we thought .... perhaps.... Other names are also accompanied with a question mark, because it is not clear to us whether these people really would take over the topic they are assigned to in this list.




Now, what we need to know from all participants in the CSG project is the following:




a) Are there topics which need to be included and which are lacking on this list? (for instance, should we add a topic "external possession (?)", which is really important in SLs, or not)




b) Are there suggestions to rearrange the list of topics or to reformulate the titles?




c) Who would like to volunteer for the topics still open (i.e. marked with a question mark) ? (note that there are many many free fields...)




d) We would also like to get a confirmation from those people who are already on the list whether they still intend to submit a paper with the title/ topic indicated (or a different topic/title). 




e) and finally, who of the volunteers would like to present his or her research on the workshop next June? (this question is also addressed to people who gave a presentation already on the workshop in Billings - it might be the case that the original paper can be broadened20and enriched with additional data from other SLs now)




We would like to address another question: is it desireable to create a separate mailing platform exclusively for the participants of the CSG project or should we continue to use the Siouan List for this purpose. In any case, as soon as we have a complete list of contributions and volunteers, I would distribute the e-mail address of the them so that people can communicate directly with the other participants in this project (for data exchange etc.).




That's it for the moment. 




All the best (also on behalf of John)

Johannes























































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Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht

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