From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 20:15:22 2009 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:15:22 -0800 Subject: Lakota help? Message-ID: Hi all, A friend of mine just sent me a phrase she got out of a magazine supposedly in Lakota: Doska Ake Waunkte, for goodbye, although she says it actually translates to: "I will see you again on earth or in the spirit world".  I'm interested in the word Waunkte, which I could not find either in my Dakota dictionary or in the online AISRI dictionary for Lakota; it looks like it may have something to do with 'spirit'?  I'm thinking this may be cognate with Biloxi maNkde, as in Kuti MaNkde 'god' - 'Spirit Above' ?  Anyone have a translation for Lakota 'waunkte' that may prove or disprove this theory? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Wed Mar 4 22:40:06 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry Message-ID: Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Thu Mar 5 12:58:04 2009 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:58:04 +0100 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark, not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality David Rood Serial verb constructions Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers à 30 min, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. All the best Johannes ---------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Betreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universität Regensburg Philosophische Fakultät IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universitätsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.Rood at Colorado.EDU Thu Mar 5 15:43:13 2009 From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:43:13 -0700 Subject: Regrets: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: <20090305125827.2EF5BABD6C@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de> Message-ID: It has happened again: I am bound to be in Boulder for the whole month of June, so I must withdraw from this program. I do regret it -- but I don't think any of you could come up with a solution for me. I will try to do a preliminary report on serial verbs for people to have/look at/discuss at the meeting, but right now I can't even promise that much for sure. Hope you will all have a wonderful time. Best, David David S. Rood Dept. of Linguistics Univ. of Colorado 295 UCB Boulder, CO 80309-0295 USA rood at colorado.edu On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht wrote: > Hi Mark, > > not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program > for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: > > CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) > > Bruce Ingham > "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals > > Bob Rankin > Instrumentals > > Johannes Helmbrecht > Causative constructions > > Bob Rankin > Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) > > John Boyle > Indefinite absolutive *waa- > > Iren Hartmann > Modality > > David Rood > Serial verb constructions > > Randy Graczyk > Switch reference and clause chaining > > Catherine Rudin > Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) > > All > Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a > realistic time frame etc. > > If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers � 30 min, which > can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to > reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a > CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. > Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is > fighting with. > > Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think > also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that > Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in > the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? > > Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. > > With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the > cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they > may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. > > All the best > Johannes > > > > > > ---------- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- > Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 > Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Von: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland > An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Betreff: 2009 SACC inquiry > > > > Aloha all, > > John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in > Lincoln? > > I am gathering lodging options information. > I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, > to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, > to $52+tax double driving three miles. > > What would be your choice of lodging cost range? > > The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the > Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? > > Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. > > Does anyone want me to check on campground options? > > We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of > participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. > > I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. > > My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: > > Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. > > Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each > night for those who want to continue the conversation. > > Saturday morning: mixed topic papers > > Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something > similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). > > Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially > invited to participate. > > I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at > Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, > Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. > > Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? > > Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game > and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to > extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to > attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to > nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event > and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide > to drop in on the club event later. > > Sunday morning: mixed topic papers > > Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. > > LSA > SSILA > Institutions? > Programs? > Other? > > Many thanks. > Uthixide > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > > "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. > -- > > Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht > Lehrstuhl f�r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft > Universit�t Regensburg > Philosophische Fakult�t IV > Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft > Universit�tsstr. 31 > 93053 Regensburg > Deutschland > > Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 > ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) > Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 > E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de > Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm > From rankin at ku.edu Thu Mar 5 20:41:12 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:41:12 -0600 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry Message-ID: I agree that the least expensive accomodations would be the best. I can drive at least 4 passengers to campus providing that parking arrangements are provided near the conference. I'm not good at walking long distances any more, I'm afraid. I feel bad that David is stymied again this year. Maybe we should try to hold one of our meetings in Boulder! I'm looking forward to the meeting. Now all I have to do is write the paper(s). Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 6:58 AM To: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Hi Mark, not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality David Rood Serial verb constructions Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers à 30 min, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. All the best Johannes ---------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Betreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universität Regensburg Philosophische Fakultät IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universitätsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm From okibjonathan at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 22:55:02 2009 From: okibjonathan at yahoo.com (Jonathan Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:55:02 -0800 Subject: Lakota help? In-Reply-To: <543587.39164.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: toksa = "later" ake = "again" waun = "I am" kte = indicates "future"       "If you love your freedom, thank a Vet." --- On Wed, 3/4/09, David Kaufman wrote: From: David Kaufman Subject: Lakota help? To: "Siouan List" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:15 PM Hi all, A friend of mine just sent me a phrase she got out of a magazine supposedly in Lakota: Doska Ake Waunkte, for goodbye, although she says it actually translates to: "I will see you again on earth or in the spirit world".  I'm interested in the word Waunkte, which I could not find either in my Dakota dictionary or in the online AISRI dictionary for Lakota; it looks like it may have something to do with 'spirit'?  I'm thinking this may be cognate with Biloxi maNkde, as in Kuti MaNkde 'god' - 'Spirit Above' ?  Anyone have a translation for Lakota 'waunkte' that may prove or disprove this theory? 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To: "Siouan List" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:15 PM Hi all, A friend of mine just sent me a phrase she got out of a magazine supposedly in Lakota: Doska Ake Waunkte, for goodbye, although she says it actually translates to: "I will see you again on earth or in the spirit world".  I'm interested in the word Waunkte, which I could not find either in my Dakota dictionary or in the online AISRI dictionary for Lakota; it looks like it may have something to do with 'spirit'?  I'm thinking this may be cognate with Biloxi maNkde, as in Kuti MaNkde 'god' - 'Spirit Above' ?  Anyone have a translation for Lakota 'waunkte' that may prove or disprove this theory? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgraczyk at aol.com Fri Mar 6 18:20:21 2009 From: rgraczyk at aol.com (rgraczyk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:20:21 -0500 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would prefer the least expensive accomodations. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 1:41 pm Subject: RE: 2009 SACC inquiry I agree that the least expensive accomodations would be the best. I can drive t least 4 passengers to campus providing that parking arrangements are provided ear the conference. I'm not good at walking long distances any more, I'm fraid. feel bad that David is stymied again this year. Maybe we should try to hold ne of our meetings in Boulder! 'm looking forward to the meeting. Now all I have to do is write the paper(s). ob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht ent: Thu 3/5/2009 6:58 AM o: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU ubject: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry i Mark, ot much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The reliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: SG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) ruce Ingham Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals ob Rankin nstrumentals ohannes Helmbrecht ausative constructions ob Rankin re-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) ohn Boyle ndefinite absolutive *waa- ren Hartmann odality avid Rood erial verb constructions andy Graczyk witch reference and clause chaining atherine Rudin oordination (AND, BUT, OR) ll oundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate oals, a realistic time frame etc. f all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers à 30 in, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes tc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to roceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go ith a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly nder the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. urther paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I ould imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in he workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on rticles in Siouan? nyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. ith regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would refer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by ar, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. ll the best ohannes --------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- atum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 ntwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on: 20 Mark J Awakuni-Swetland n: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU etreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting n Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. 've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of ity campus, o $80+tax double driving a mile or so, o $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, ou stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual umbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper omewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank rograms la st year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and re cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College rogram at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture rofram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska rogram in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer or the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I ould anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to eave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down HEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event nd stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then ndividuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SILA nstitutions? rograms? ther? Many thanks. thixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland ssistant Professor of Anthropology nd Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) niversity of Nebraska incoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu hone 402-472-3455 AX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. - rof. Dr. Joh annes Helmbrecht ehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft niversität Regensburg hilosophische Fakultät IV prach- und Literaturwissenschaft niversitätsstr. 31 3053 Regensburg eutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) ax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 -Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de ebseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CaRudin1 at wsc.edu Fri Mar 6 19:25:03 2009 From: CaRudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:25:03 -0600 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: <8CB6C9F58619A60-16CC-EB7@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Looks like least expensive is the concensus choice. The pricier downtown places are convenient, but Lincoln isn't that big a city -- it's easy to get to the University from anywhere. I'll have a car and can offer rides to several people. Catherine >>> 3/6/2009 12:20 PM >>> I would prefer the least expensive accomodations. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 1:41 pm Subject: RE: 2009 SACC inquiry I agree that the least expensive accomodations would be the best. I can drive at least 4 passengers to campus providing that parking arrangements are provided near the conference. I'm not good at walking long distances any more, I'm afraid. I feel bad that David is stymied again this year. Maybe we should try to hold one of our meetings in Boulder! I'm looking forward to the meeting. Now all I have to do is write the paper(s). Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 6:58 AM To: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDUSubject: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Hi Mark, not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: CSG Program Thursday and Friday (Jun e, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality David Rood Serial verb constructions Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers à 30 min, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. All the best Johannes ---------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDUVon: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDUBetreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes20a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activit y (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu ( http://omahalanguage.unl.edu/ )Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universität Regensburg Philosophische Fakultät IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universitätsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de ( mailto:johannes. helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de )Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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Thanks Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. Posted March 6, 2009 Siouan and Caddoan Conference (SACC) June 11 (Thursday) through June 14 (Sunday) Oldfather Hall University of Nebraska-Lincoln Local Organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies 841 Oldfather Hall Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu Phone: 402-472-3455 office Phone: 402-770-3521 cell FAX: 402-472-9642 LODGING Keeping in mind the fiscal hard times, a block of 30 rooms (doubles) have been reserved for June 10 (Wednesday) check-in; through June 14 (Sunday) check-out at: Lincoln Travelodge 2801 West O Street (not ‘zero’ street) O and SW 27th Lincoln, NE 68528 Phone: 402-475-4921 FAX: 402-475-4924 The motel is approximately 3 miles due west on O Street from City Campus Make reservations before May 26th to receive the $52.00 + tax reserved room rate. If you can get in on a cheaper rate at this place, go for it! Travelodge does not have a shuttle service from the Lincoln or Omaha airports. However, both airports have shuttle service to other large hotels in Lincoln for a nominal fee. Let me know what your travel plans are and we can try to coordinate shuttle service. Tell the reservation clerk that you are reserving for the SACC CONFERENCE RATE for the University of Nebraska-Lincoln This URL will take you to the Lincoln Travelodge reservation page: http://www.travelodge.com/Travelodge/control/Booking/check_avail?areaCode=&brandCode=TL,MQ,HJ,DI,RA,KG,SE,BU,BH&searchWithinMiles=25&areaType=1&destination=Lincoln&state=NE&country=US&checkInDate=06/10&numberAdults=1&numberRooms=1&checkOutDate=06/14&numberChildren=0&numberBigChildren=0&rate=000&useWRPoints=false&variant=&id=12815&propBrandId=TL&force_nostay=false&tab=tab2 Map and Directions Getting To The Hotel South Follow Hwy 2, It will Merge into 10th Street. When approaching O Street, take a Left and go approximately 3 miles on O Street. East I-80 West O Exit 396. West I-80 East Exit 397. Take Exit 397 onto 77 Bypass, take the West O Exit. At The Bottom of exit take a right. Go one and one half block west. Airport Lincoln Municipal: Follow Loop Around The Airport. Follow West Adams Street To Stop Light. Make A Right Turn And A Left At The Stop Light Onto I-80, West Bound. Take Exit 397 Onto 77 Bypass. Take West O Exit. At The Bottom Of The Exit, Take A Right. At The Stop Light Go West One And A Half Blocks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 799 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 799 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 80896 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2009 SACC registration forms.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 129536 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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WibthahoN WagoNze Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. From linguista at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 20:39:40 2009 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:40 -0700 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: <49B129CF.911C.008E.0@wsc.edu> Message-ID: Looks like I've been dropped from the "tentative list" for the Comparative Siouan Workshop we had been working with last year. I have not even begun to write anything yet, but I still intend to. My topic was "Topic and Focus Markers". Like Catherine, I would like to send out a plea for (1) already extant writings on the subject in papers, from previous SACC's, in dissertations, etc., (2) raw data, and (3) other assorted references. Wrt lodging, I am good to go. Wrt who else to notify, I am sure someone has notified the special program at CU by now. If not, that would be a great idea, even if those folks don't have any research going on right now. Wrt transportation, I will be visiting Jimm immediately prior to the conference. Jimm is not coming for the workshop, so if any of you Lawrentians are driving, I'd be glad to chip in for a northward voyage. -- *********************************************************** Bryan James Gordon, MA Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology University of Arizona *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Tue Mar 10 08:57:40 2009 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:57:40 +0100 Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop: Program update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bryan, I would like to apologize for ignoring your workshop proposal. This was not intended, just by accident. So, here is the updated preliminary program for the workshop Comparative Siouan Grammar. All the best Johannes ******************************************************************************* CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) Bryan James Gordon Topic and Focus markers All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. ************************************************** ---------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht / Original message -- -------- Datum: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:40 -0700 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: Bryan James Gordon An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Betreff: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Looks like I've been dropped from the "tentative list" for the Comparative Siouan Workshop we had been working with last year. I have not even begun to write anything yet, but I still intend to. My topic was "Topic and Focus Markers". Like Catherine, I would like to send out a plea for (1) already extant writings on the subject in papers, from previous SACC's, in dissertations, etc., (2) raw data, and (3) other assorted references. Wrt lodging, I am good to go. Wrt who else to notify, I am sure someone has notified the special program at CU by now. If not, that would be a great idea, even if those folks don't have any research going on right now. Wrt transportation, I will be visiting Jimm immediately prior to the conference. 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First, there are some recent publications on coordination (Haspelmath (ed.) and Haspelmath 2007 in the 2nd edition of the Shopen volumes) which I will have to consider. But, more importantly, I haven't studies the phenomenon on the basis of all the Hocank texts we have by now available in electronic form. All the best Johannes ---------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:49:04 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: "Catherine Rudin" An: Betreff: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Thanks to Johannes for the list of Comparative Syntax Fest topics. It looks exciting!! I'm listed as presenting on"Coordination (AND,OR,BUT). And I do intend to write on this topic. But I must admit I haven't started yet and lack any knowledge of the topic in most of the Siouan languages. Or, to put it bluntly - Help! Anyone who has any material on coordination in any Siouan language, I'd be very grateful if you would share your expertise with me! Anything you have will be helpful. Raw data, papers you've written, reference to other sources, notes and suggestions, anything at all. I do have a fair amount of material on Omaha-Ponca (but could always use more!) Ialso have various published grammars (Graczyk's Crow, Quintero's Osage, etc.) and dissertations (Eschenberg, Boyle, West, etc.) and stacks of old conference handouts, but haven't had time to comb throughany of this-- would appreciate pointers to things I might miss inwell-known works as well as new facts or analyses. Catherine -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universität Regensburg Philosophische Fakultät IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universitätsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sprachwissenschaftliches_Kolloquium_Coordination.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 151088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:57:22 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:57:22 -0500 Subject: Fw: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Message-ID: See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. The above statement occurs at the end of this Email. However, for whatever reason, there was no attachment with this particular Email. Perhaps it could be posted again so that I may proceed with Registration and Lodging arrangements. jgt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rankin, Robert L" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RE: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE I'd recommend we send it to the SSILA Newsletter and to Linguist List as soon as possible. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Mon 3/9/2009 12:51 PM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Greetings All! Please forward and circulate the attached CALL FOR PAPERS for the 2009 conference and Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop. Please forward to me any and all suggested placed I should include in this call. Graduate programs? Academic institutions? Native Language programs? Other individuals? WibthahoN WagoNze Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps it could be posted again so that I may proceed with Registration and Lodging arrangements. jgt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rankin, Robert L" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RE: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE I'd recommend we send it to the SSILA Newsletter and to Linguist List as soon as possible. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Mon 3/9/2009 12:51 PM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Greetings All! Please forward and circulate the attached CALL FOR PAPERS for the 2009 conference and Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop. Please forward to me any and all suggested placed I should include in this call. Graduate programs? Academic institutions? Native Language programs? Other individuals? WibthahoN WagoNze Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. 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Full Text Available at: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/03/menominee_tribe_tries_to_keep.html “The future of the Menominee tribal language had just awakened from naps. Seated at a small table, bare except for a label taped to the top that read atuhpwan -- the Menominee word for table -- the tiny students spoke what sounded to an untrained ear like gibberish. Using a booklet of flashcards held up by their teacher, the 2-year-olds pointed and repeated the words kuapenakaehsaeh (cup), aemeskwan (spoon) and paeces kahekan (fork). At home they've been known to ask their families for a snack using the Menominee words for crackers and fruit instead of English. ‘Their minds are like sponges,’ said their teacher, Candy Mahkimetas, after quizzing them on the words for bear, dog and cat. ‘This is the crucial age for them to start speaking.’ The survival of the Menominee language -- which has only an estimated 35 fluent speakers -- depends on these tots at Menominee Day Care Center learning the language their ancestors have spoken for centuries. Last month, UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, released a new world atlas of endangered languages -- almost 2,500 that are at risk of becoming extinct or have recently disappeared. Menominee, along with languages of two other Wisconsin tribes -- Oneida and Potawatomi -- is listed as critically endangered…” David A. 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URL: From rwd0002 at unt.edu Tue Mar 17 18:50:34 2009 From: rwd0002 at unt.edu (rwd0002 at unt.edu) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:50:34 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: <990447.97515.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all: I have written a bit on Evidentiality. The two most recent sources are Aikhenvald (2004), Evidentiality (Oxford), and Studies in Evidentiality, ed. by Aikhenvald and Dixon (2003) (John Benjamins). I'd expect all Siouan languages to have some evid. marking. In Lakhota, you have a rather minimal set of evid. enclitics or particles: keyA quotative, s^khe quotative (there must be a difference; what the difference is should be figured out more clearly, maybe check what Julian Rice says), and possibly also huNs^e, and c^he. (Rood and Taylor Handbook sketch, p. 475: "assertions that the speaker believes to be true, but for which formal proof is lacking".) These might be epistemic, though. Evid. should only code source of knowledge, not degree of certainly/uncertainly, but of course there might be overlaps. Willem de Reuse Quoting David Kaufman : > Hi all, >   > I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference > on Biloxi evidentiality.  It's my understanding that this topic > hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples > from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please > let me know.  The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have > at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo.  The first > indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates > that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.'  >   > Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a > similar system.  If anyone knows of any other Native American > languages that have similar systems, please let me know.  I am aware, > of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give > an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as > a graduate research assistant last year. >   > And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in > Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be > used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes).  If anyone has > any thoughts on male-female speech patterns in Siouan or other > languages, please let me know. >   > Cheers, >   > Dave > > > From rankin at ku.edu Tue Mar 17 19:26:56 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:26:56 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: See that article on Siouan positionals and their various grammaticalizations in S.T.U.F. for treatment of Dhegiha. The evidentials part of the paper was based on work done by John Koontz. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Tue 3/17/2009 1:16 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Siouan evidentiality Hi all, I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference on Biloxi evidentiality. It's my understanding that this topic hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please let me know. The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo. The first indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.' Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a similar system. If anyone knows of any other Native American languages that have similar systems, please let me know. I am aware, of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as a graduate research assistant last year. And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes). If anyone has any thoughts on male-female speech patterns in Siouan or other languages, please let me know. Cheers, Dave From CaRudin1 at wsc.edu Tue Mar 17 21:10:10 2009 From: CaRudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:10:10 -0500 Subject: magazine articles In-Reply-To: <486B7B1F0200008E0001010B@hermes.wsc.edu> Message-ID: Two magazine articles on Siouan languages appeared in my mailbox on the same day!! (1) There's a nice article mostly about teaching and learning Ho-Chunk in the current issue of "On Wisconsin", the University of Wisconsin alumni magazine. Pictures of Henning Garvin and his father teaching Ho-Chunk at UW and references to Iren Hartmann and "another German researcher," as well as some discussion of work on Menominee and Ojibwe by UW faculty. Google "On Wisconsin Magazine" and click on the article "Weight of the Words" to have a look at it. (2) Living Here magazine, a local magazine in "Southeast South Dakota and Northeast Nebraska," has a pretty good article on Omaha and Ponca in the Spring 2009 issue. Their reporter interviewed me and Mark Awakuni-Swetland, and included a Dorsey text. No online version that I know of; the magazine's contact info is P.O. Box 400, Yankton, SD 57078; phone 605-260-6492. Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chafe at linguistics.ucsb.edu Tue Mar 17 23:26:57 2009 From: chafe at linguistics.ucsb.edu (Wallace Chafe) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:26:57 -0700 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: <20090317135034.i7pn2e9mc5k4kok0@eaglemail.unt.edu> Message-ID: Probably some of you know about the 1986 book edited by me and Johanna Nichols, Evidentiality: The Linguistic Coding of Epistemology. I mention it because it has various things on Indian languages. I think Aikhenvald made a mistake in narrowing her focus to evidence per se. Epistemology is the larger category, and there is much overlap between evidence, narrowly defined, and how one evaluates it. I suspect that most Indian languages have at the very least a particle (or something) that indicates that information is secondhand. Hearsay is one label for it. While it may show something about the source of the information, I think at the same time it conveys an attitude toward the validity of that information. Northern California languages, which are famous for their evidentiality, don't seem to limit it to evidence per se either. I'll be interested in seeing what people say about Siouan languages. All the best, Wally --On Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:50 PM -0500 rwd0002 at unt.edu wrote: > Hi all: > > I have written a bit on Evidentiality. The two most recent sources are > Aikhenvald (2004), Evidentiality (Oxford), and Studies in Evidentiality, > ed. by Aikhenvald and Dixon (2003) (John Benjamins). > > I'd expect all Siouan languages to have some evid. marking. In Lakhota, > you have a rather minimal set of evid. enclitics or particles: keyA > quotative, s^khe quotative (there must be a difference; what the > difference is should be figured out more clearly, maybe check what Julian > Rice says), and possibly also huNs^e, and c^he. (Rood and Taylor Handbook > sketch, p. 475: "assertions that the speaker believes to be true, but for > which formal proof is lacking".) These might be epistemic, though. Evid. > should only code source of knowledge, not degree of > certainly/uncertainly, but of course there might be overlaps. > > Willem de Reuse > > Quoting David Kaufman : > >> Hi all, >>   >> I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference >> on Biloxi evidentiality.  It's my understanding that this topic >> hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples >> from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please >> let me know.  The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have >> at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo.  The first >> indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates >> that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.'  >>   >> Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a >> similar system.  If anyone knows of any other Native American >> languages that have similar systems, please let me know.  I am aware, >> of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give >> an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as >> a graduate research assistant last year. >>   >> And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in >> Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be >> used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes).  If anyone has >> any thoughts on male-female speech patterns in Siouan or other >> languages, please let me know. >>   >> Cheers, >>   >> Dave >> >> >> > > From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Wed Mar 18 01:01:09 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:01:09 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: <990447.97515.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, I'll offer what I know from Omaha/Ponca. John Koontz and Bob Rankin may have a slightly different view. There are at least four particles that are relevant to evidentiality: i, bi, tHe and ama. These are all post-verbal, and to my knowledge, except for i, are only used in the third person. The i and bi particles come immediately after the verb (or in one case in Dorsey, after the noun, in a sentence that didn't have a verb). For the most part at least, they are mutually exclusive. Next may come tHe, and ama comes at the end of the sentence. The i and bi particles are a bit of a puzzle, and I've had a lingering debate going on about them with John and Bob since about 2001 or so. Prior to then, the wisdom seemed to be that they were simply alternates of the same particle, in which i was just a reduced form of bi. The two both belong to a small class of post-verbal particles that cause ablaut; i.e., cause a preceding verb that ends in -e to change its ending to -a when the particle is present. bi is surely cognate with Dakotan pi and Winnebago-Chiwere wi, which both are involved in making the action of the verb plural. In Omaha/Ponca, i is used in some contexts to mark plurality, as for commanding more than one person, or any plural declarative (we, you or they). It also seems to be used in constructions describing general behavior, even to the point of a quasi-passive sense: "they do it" => "it is done", like Dakotan pi. However, i is actually used most commonly as a third person singular declarative. In the third person singular, there is apparently a subtle difference in meaning, depending on whether the verb is followed by i or not. John Koontz has proposed the distinction of "proximate" vs. "obviative" for this, with the subject being "center stage" for the proximate (with i), and "off-stage" for the obviative (without i). My sense is that you use i when you focus on the action as a narrative event, and do not use i when you want to make the listener visualize the verbal action as a condition or context, as when a character encounters someone else doing something. In modern Omaha, declarative i has been truncated off, and only the -e verbs ablauted to -a remain. Our modern speakers overwhelmingly prefer the -a form as normative for third person singular. They generally explain that the -e form is present and the -a form is past. This explanation makes some sense if the -e form declares condition and the -a form declares narrative event. At any rate, the i particle was used declaratively for events directly experienced, or at least not doubted by the speaker, as you describe for Biloxi naxo. In contrast, the bi particle is used when the speaker wants to raise the preceding material to an idea or hypothesis to be considered, rather than declaring it to be the straight goods on the speaker's own authority. This includes anything that is hearsay, as well as cases where in English we might use "the supposed", "the alleged", "the putative", or such and such a hypothesis or idea. The ama particle is closely tied to bi, in the very common form: [Sentence] bi-ama. This is the way most sentences narrating the actions of mythological characters end. However, bi, like i, seems also to imply narrative action rather than visualized condition. Many sentences visualizing condition do not end in a regular verb at all, but in a positional which tells how a scene is laid out. In this case, no bi or i is used. For a declarative on the speaker's own authority, the positional ends the sentence. But when visualizing a scene from a mythological account, the positional is followed by ama. Thus, the ama particle largely equates to your Biloxi kane, to refer to 'hearsay', or things 'not experienced'. When a narrative sentence is composed of multiple clauses, the clauses before the end may end in i or bi prior to the conjuction. In the older speech pattern that is usual in the mythological stories recorded by Dorsey, these clauses would normally end in bi for mythological narrative, and only the final clause would end in bi-ama. Later, I think already in some of the material recorded by Dorsey, the entire biama package would sometimes be used to end prefinal clauses. In modern Omaha, the two particles tend to be fused, and it seems to be uncommon for them to be used separately. In fact, even the meaning of 'hearsay' in current usage is in doubt. I have had speakers insist that biama is simply the required declarative form in some cases (I forget- I think it was plural, past, or both). The remaining particle is tHe. This one is also a bit of a puzzle, and seems to me to have changed its meaning. John Koontz refers to it as EVID in his analyses: the evidential particle. Modern speakers back him up. In this case, [Sentence] i tHe means [Sentence] *evidently* took place; *apparently* [Sentence] happened. This is different from the kane-naxo axis of distinction. naxo: "it's so, straight goods, take it from me"; kane: "this is what the story says"; tHe: "this is probably the case, given the evidence at hand". Most of the time in Dorsey, however, tHe seems to be a straight-goods declarative that something has happened. I see it as something of a perfective marker that throws the action into the past prior to the time of the narrative in such a way as to affect conditions at the time of the narrative. It can be used after i, or between bi and ama. For 19th century Omaha/Ponca: [Sentence] i ha/he. Straight-goods declaration of action. (ha and he are respectively male and female emphatic/declarative particles. These seem to have become "old-people" speech in the early 20th century and dropped out of the language along with the preceding i, leaving only -e verbs ending in -a to mark the lost i in 20th century Omaha.) [Sentence] i tHe. [Sentence] has happened; straight goods. (In 20th century Omaha, this means [Sentence] has *apparently* happened.) [Sentence][positional]. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], straight goods. [Sentence][positional] ama. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], that's the story. [Sentence] bi ama. This is what he did, according to the story. [Sentence] bi tHe ama. This is what someone had done, according to the story. Hope this helps! I'll post this to the list, in case other Dhegihanists have any comments to add. Best, Rory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmcbride at kawnation.com Wed Mar 18 13:35:09 2009 From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (Justin McBride) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:35:09 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: Dave, Dorsey's Kaw text collection seems to suggest a three-way post-verbal evidential distinction. His most straightforward clauses tend to end with a male gender particle ao, or just o in modern speech. Dorsey didn't have any female Kaw consultants that I'm aware of, but they would probably have given him a form something like that used by Bob's 20th century female consultant Maude Rowe, (y)e. This gender-sensitive set corresponds to events and states directly witnessed by the speaker, and is thus a declarative particle. But since it seems to vary with other evidentials, I've included it here. At the extreme opposite end of evidentiality, there's the particle skaN, which tends to appear together with the pronoun e, 'that,' as skaN e. This one is used for things the speaker cannot possibly have witnessed, such as the traditional myth stories, making this construction something akin to the English expression, '...or so it goes.' Somewhere between these two lies the narrative particle c^He, which seems to be used much as the OP particle tHe described by Rory below. There are combinations of these, most notably c^He ao, which is probably still in the c^He category. Since skaN is definitely way out beyond c^He in terms of evidentiality, the distinction between the gender set and c^He is probably the fuzzier distinction. I'm not sure of where the line is drawn between o/e and c^He, but I'd suspect there is a line there somewhere. Hope this helps, -Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rory M Larson To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Siouan evidentiality Hi Dave, I'll offer what I know from Omaha/Ponca. John Koontz and Bob Rankin may have a slightly different view. There are at least four particles that are relevant to evidentiality: i, bi, tHe and ama. These are all post-verbal, and to my knowledge, except for i, are only used in the third person. The i and bi particles come immediately after the verb (or in one case in Dorsey, after the noun, in a sentence that didn't have a verb). For the most part at least, they are mutually exclusive. Next may come tHe, and ama comes at the end of the sentence. The i and bi particles are a bit of a puzzle, and I've had a lingering debate going on about them with John and Bob since about 2001 or so. Prior to then, the wisdom seemed to be that they were simply alternates of the same particle, in which i was just a reduced form of bi. The two both belong to a small class of post-verbal particles that cause ablaut; i.e., cause a preceding verb that ends in -e to change its ending to -a when the particle is present. bi is surely cognate with Dakotan pi and Winnebago-Chiwere wi, which both are involved in making the action of the verb plural. In Omaha/Ponca, i is used in some contexts to mark plurality, as for commanding more than one person, or any plural declarative (we, you or they). It also seems to be used in constructions describing general behavior, even to the point of a quasi-passive sense: "they do it" => "it is done", like Dakotan pi. However, i is actually used most commonly as a third person singular declarative. In the third person singular, there is apparently a subtle difference in meaning, depending on whether the verb is followed by i or not. John Koontz has proposed the distinction of "proximate" vs. "obviative" for this, with the subject being "center stage" for the proximate (with i), and "off-stage" for the obviative (without i). My sense is that you use i when you focus on the action as a narrative event, and do not use i when you want to make the listener visualize the verbal action as a condition or context, as when a character encounters someone else doing something. In modern Omaha, declarative i has been truncated off, and only the -e verbs ablauted to -a remain. Our modern speakers overwhelmingly prefer the -a form as normative for third person singular. They generally explain that the -e form is present and the -a form is past. This explanation makes some sense if the -e form declares condition and the -a form declares narrative event. At any rate, the i particle was used declaratively for events directly experienced, or at least not doubted by the speaker, as you describe for Biloxi naxo. In contrast, the bi particle is used when the speaker wants to raise the preceding material to an idea or hypothesis to be considered, rather than declaring it to be the straight goods on the speaker's own authority. This includes anything that is hearsay, as well as cases where in English we might use "the supposed", "the alleged", "the putative", or such and such a hypothesis or idea. The ama particle is closely tied to bi, in the very common form: [Sentence] bi-ama. This is the way most sentences narrating the actions of mythological characters end. However, bi, like i, seems also to imply narrative action rather than visualized condition. Many sentences visualizing condition do not end in a regular verb at all, but in a positional which tells how a scene is laid out. In this case, no bi or i is used. For a declarative on the speaker's own authority, the positional ends the sentence. But when visualizing a scene from a mythological account, the positional is followed by ama. Thus, the ama particle largely equates to your Biloxi kane, to refer to 'hearsay', or things 'not experienced'. When a narrative sentence is composed of multiple clauses, the clauses before the end may end in i or bi prior to the conjuction. In the older speech pattern that is usual in the mythological stories recorded by Dorsey, these clauses would normally end in bi for mythological narrative, and only the final clause would end in bi-ama. Later, I think already in some of the material recorded by Dorsey, the entire biama package would sometimes be used to end prefinal clauses. In modern Omaha, the two particles tend to be fused, and it seems to be uncommon for them to be used separately. In fact, even the meaning of 'hearsay' in current usage is in doubt. I have had speakers insist that biama is simply the required declarative form in some cases (I forget- I think it was plural, past, or both). The remaining particle is tHe. This one is also a bit of a puzzle, and seems to me to have changed its meaning. John Koontz refers to it as EVID in his analyses: the evidential particle. Modern speakers back him up. In this case, [Sentence] i tHe means [Sentence] *evidently* took place; *apparently* [Sentence] happened. This is different from the kane-naxo axis of distinction. naxo: "it's so, straight goods, take it from me"; kane: "this is what the story says"; tHe: "this is probably the case, given the evidence at hand". Most of the time in Dorsey, however, tHe seems to be a straight-goods declarative that something has happened. I see it as something of a perfective marker that throws the action into the past prior to the time of the narrative in such a way as to affect conditions at the time of the narrative. It can be used after i, or between bi and ama. For 19th century Omaha/Ponca: [Sentence] i ha/he. Straight-goods declaration of action. (ha and he are respectively male and female emphatic/declarative particles. These seem to have become "old-people" speech in the early 20th century and dropped out of the language along with the preceding i, leaving only -e verbs ending in -a to mark the lost i in 20th century Omaha.) [Sentence] i tHe. [Sentence] has happened; straight goods. (In 20th century Omaha, this means [Sentence] has *apparently* happened.) [Sentence][positional]. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], straight goods. [Sentence][positional] ama. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], that's the story. [Sentence] bi ama. This is what he did, according to the story. [Sentence] bi tHe ama. This is what someone had done, according to the story. Hope this helps! I'll post this to the list, in case other Dhegihanists have any comments to add. Best, Rory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not an obligatory declarative ending, but conveys manly emphaticness and seems to be appreciated like a firm handshake. /o/ => /u/ in OP, so the attention-getting particle is old in Dhegihan, and was originally o as in Kaw. The original system would be: a - men's emphatic/declarative => OP ha e - women's emphatic/declarative => OP he, Kaw (y)e o - attention getting particle, used only by men, and often attached to male a as a-o => Kaw ao/o, OP hau/ho Do you ever have anything like i or bi before ao/o? What about the circumstances for the sometimes-y in front of the female particle? Is that conditioned by a preceding front vowel, or could it be a Kaw version of the OP i particle? I can't think of anything like skaN e in OP, but that seems to ring a bell for the 'hearsay' final in some other MVS language I've looked at in the past, either Dakotan or Winnebago-Chiwere or both. I suspect that is the original, which has somehow been replaced by ama/biama in OP. 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URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 17:41:05 2009 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:41:05 -0700 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, everyone, for the feedback.    Of course Biloxi also has the gender-specific declaratives na (male) and ni (female) - although their use was apparently not obligatory by the time of Dorsey's data gathering.  I hadn't thought of these as being 'evidential' per se, although I'm sure their use or lack thereof may have had some discourse significance.  Also, I should include the narrative-terminating 'etuxa' (meaning something like "they say it always") among the Biloxi evidentials - a way of saying the story has been passed down from prior generations and is not original to the current storyteller.   Dave --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Rory M Larson wrote: From: Rory M Larson Subject: Re: Siouan evidentiality To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:03 AM Thanks for the addition, Justin!  So to pull Kaw and Omaha/Ponca together comparatively: OP tHe and Kaw c^He are presumably the same word, and are used similarly.  I suppose this means in the evidential sense, correct?  Any trace of perfective use? The Kaw declaratives ao and (y)e would surely correspond to OP ha-u and he.  In the 19th century, the u that frequently followed male ha in OP was still a separate particle.  It apparently functioned as a "Hey, you!" attention getter when calling to somebody.  Only males were rude enough to do this, so it stuck to the ha as a male emphatic.  If you already had someone's attention, you could just use plain ha.  In 20th century Omaha, ha-u, usually written as ho, is still used.  It's not an obligatory declarative ending, but conveys manly emphaticness and seems to be appreciated like a firm handshake.  /o/ => /u/ in OP, so the attention-getting particle is old in Dhegihan, and was originally o as in Kaw.  The original system would be: a - men's emphatic/declarative => OP ha e - women's emphatic/declarative => OP he, Kaw (y)e o - attention getting particle, used only by men, and often attached to male a as a-o => Kaw ao/o, OP hau/ho Do you ever have anything like i or bi before ao/o?  What about the circumstances for the sometimes-y in front of the female particle?  Is that conditioned by a preceding front vowel, or could it be a Kaw version of the OP i particle? I can't think of anything like skaN e in OP, but that seems to ring a bell for the 'hearsay' final in some other MVS language I've looked at in the past, either Dakotan or Winnebago-Chiwere or both.  I suspect that is the original, which has somehow been replaced by ama/biama in OP. Rory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Thu Mar 19 16:39:55 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:39:55 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: Justin is traveling to Boston with his family this week, so let me add a couple of notes. > OP tHe and Kaw c^He are presumably the same word, and are used similarly. I suppose this means in the evidential sense, correct? Any trace of perfective use? They are direct cognates. In STUF I ventured that this Dhegiha particle is etymologically *re 'this' + *he 'say'. The compound *rehe' loses the initial-syllable unaccented vowel (like pronouns and ki- do) leaving *rhe. This regularly gives [the] (tHe) in Dhegiha, which affricates in Kansa and Osage to che. So etymologically the particle would have been the typical DEMON+say construction still widely used in Siouan quotatives today ('to say the aforementioned' or 'to say the following', where "aforementioned/following" are signaled by demonstrative particles). Interestingly, John Koontz discovered that, since /the/ is homophonous with one of the definite articles, the OTHER definite articles had acquired an evidential function in certain contexts in certain of the published Dorsey Omaha texts. I didn't find this in other Dhegiha languages, but I think I cited a couple of his examples in my STUF paper: The History and Development of Siouan Positionals. Sprachtypologie und Universalienforschung 57:202-227 (special issue on nominal classification ed. by Alexandra Aikhenvald), 2004. I tend to think that the perfective meaning of /the/ comes from the fact that that it marks 'hearsay' in traditional texts all of which are treated as past events, but maybe it's just that I don't have examples of it in "modern" Kaw discourse or texts that I recall. Bob > The Kaw declaratives ao and (y)e would surely correspond to OP ha-u and he. In the 19th century, the u that frequently followed male ha in OP was still a separate particle. It apparently functioned as a "Hey, you!" attention getter when calling to somebody. Only males were rude enough to do this, so it stuck to the ha as a male emphatic. If you already had someone's attention, you could just use plain ha. In 20th century Omaha, ha-u, usually written as ho, is still used. It's not an obligatory declarative ending, but conveys manly emphaticness and seems to be appreciated like a firm handshake. /o/ => /u/ in OP, so the attention-getting particle is old in Dhegihan, and was originally o as in Kaw. The original system would be: a - men's emphatic/declarative => OP ha e - women's emphatic/declarative => OP he, Kaw (y)e o - attention getting particle, used only by men, and often attached to male a as a-o => Kaw ao/o, OP hau/ho Do you ever have anything like i or bi before ao/o? What about the circumstances for the sometimes-y in front of the female particle? Is that conditioned by a preceding front vowel, or could it be a Kaw version of the OP i particle? I can't think of anything like skaN e in OP, but that seems to ring a bell for the 'hearsay' final in some other MVS language I've looked at in the past, either Dakotan or Winnebago-Chiwere or both. I suspect that is the original, which has somehow been replaced by ama/biama in OP. Rory From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Thu Mar 19 16:43:01 2009 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:43:01 +0100 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: This is an automatic response to your mail. I am away from my office until April, 4. In case of an emergency, please contact Mrs Stitz (ingrid.stitz at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de) Best, Johannes Helmbrecht From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Mar 26 20:46:32 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0500 Subject: TesoNwiN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aho WagaxthoN, TesoNwiN worked with me 1-1/2 hours today (Thursday). WagoNze Uthixide "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm interested in the word Waunkte, which I could not find either in my Dakota dictionary or in the online AISRI dictionary for Lakota; it looks like it may have something to do with 'spirit'?? I'm thinking this may be cognate with Biloxi maNkde, as in Kuti MaNkde 'god' - 'Spirit Above' ?? Anyone have a translation for Lakota 'waunkte' that may prove or disprove this theory? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Wed Mar 4 22:40:06 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry Message-ID: Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Thu Mar 5 12:58:04 2009 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:58:04 +0100 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark, not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality David Rood Serial verb constructions Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers ? 30 min, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. All the best Johannes ---------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Betreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. 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URL: From David.Rood at Colorado.EDU Thu Mar 5 15:43:13 2009 From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU (ROOD DAVID S) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:43:13 -0700 Subject: Regrets: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: <20090305125827.2EF5BABD6C@rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de> Message-ID: It has happened again: I am bound to be in Boulder for the whole month of June, so I must withdraw from this program. I do regret it -- but I don't think any of you could come up with a solution for me. I will try to do a preliminary report on serial verbs for people to have/look at/discuss at the meeting, but right now I can't even promise that much for sure. Hope you will all have a wonderful time. Best, David David S. Rood Dept. of Linguistics Univ. of Colorado 295 UCB Boulder, CO 80309-0295 USA rood at colorado.edu On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht wrote: > Hi Mark, > > not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program > for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: > > CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) > > Bruce Ingham > "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals > > Bob Rankin > Instrumentals > > Johannes Helmbrecht > Causative constructions > > Bob Rankin > Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) > > John Boyle > Indefinite absolutive *waa- > > Iren Hartmann > Modality > > David Rood > Serial verb constructions > > Randy Graczyk > Switch reference and clause chaining > > Catherine Rudin > Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) > > All > Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a > realistic time frame etc. > > If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers ? 30 min, which > can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to > reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a > CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. > Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is > fighting with. > > Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think > also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that > Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in > the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? > > Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. > > With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the > cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they > may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. > > All the best > Johannes > > > > > > ---------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- > Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 > Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Von: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland > An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Betreff: 2009 SACC inquiry > > > > Aloha all, > > John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in > Lincoln? > > I am gathering lodging options information. > I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, > to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, > to $52+tax double driving three miles. > > What would be your choice of lodging cost range? > > The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the > Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? > > Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. > > Does anyone want me to check on campground options? > > We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of > participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. > > I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. > > My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: > > Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. > > Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each > night for those who want to continue the conversation. > > Saturday morning: mixed topic papers > > Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something > similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). > > Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially > invited to participate. > > I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at > Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, > Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. > > Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? > > Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game > and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to > extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to > attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to > nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event > and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide > to drop in on the club event later. > > Sunday morning: mixed topic papers > > Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. > > LSA > SSILA > Institutions? > Programs? > Other? > > Many thanks. > Uthixide > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > > "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. > -- > > Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht > Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft > Universit?t Regensburg > Philosophische Fakult?t IV > Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft > Universit?tsstr. 31 > 93053 Regensburg > Deutschland > > Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 > ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) > Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 > E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de > Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm > From rankin at ku.edu Thu Mar 5 20:41:12 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:41:12 -0600 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry Message-ID: I agree that the least expensive accomodations would be the best. I can drive at least 4 passengers to campus providing that parking arrangements are provided near the conference. I'm not good at walking long distances any more, I'm afraid. I feel bad that David is stymied again this year. Maybe we should try to hold one of our meetings in Boulder! I'm looking forward to the meeting. Now all I have to do is write the paper(s). Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 6:58 AM To: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Hi Mark, not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality David Rood Serial verb constructions Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers ? 30 min, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. All the best Johannes ---------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Betreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universit?t Regensburg Philosophische Fakult?t IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universit?tsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm From okibjonathan at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 22:55:02 2009 From: okibjonathan at yahoo.com (Jonathan Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:55:02 -0800 Subject: Lakota help? In-Reply-To: <543587.39164.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: toksa = "later" ake = "again" waun = "I am" kte = indicates "future" ? ? ? "If you love your freedom, thank a Vet." --- On Wed, 3/4/09, David Kaufman wrote: From: David Kaufman Subject: Lakota help? To: "Siouan List" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:15 PM Hi all, A friend of mine just sent me a phrase she got out of a magazine supposedly in Lakota: Doska Ake Waunkte, for goodbye, although she says it actually translates to: "I will see you again on earth or in the spirit world".? I'm interested in the word Waunkte, which I could not find either in my Dakota dictionary or in the online AISRI dictionary for Lakota; it looks like it may have something to do with 'spirit'?? I'm thinking this may be cognate with Biloxi maNkde, as in Kuti MaNkde 'god' - 'Spirit Above' ?? Anyone have a translation for Lakota 'waunkte' that may prove or disprove this theory? 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To: "Siouan List" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:15 PM Hi all, A friend of mine just sent me a phrase she got out of a magazine supposedly in Lakota: Doska Ake Waunkte, for goodbye, although she says it actually translates to: "I will see you again on earth or in the spirit world".? I'm interested in the word Waunkte, which I could not find either in my Dakota dictionary or in the online AISRI dictionary for Lakota; it looks like it may have something to do with 'spirit'?? I'm thinking this may be cognate with Biloxi maNkde, as in Kuti MaNkde 'god' - 'Spirit Above' ?? Anyone have a translation for Lakota 'waunkte' that may prove or disprove this theory? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgraczyk at aol.com Fri Mar 6 18:20:21 2009 From: rgraczyk at aol.com (rgraczyk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:20:21 -0500 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would prefer the least expensive accomodations. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 1:41 pm Subject: RE: 2009 SACC inquiry I agree that the least expensive accomodations would be the best. I can drive t least 4 passengers to campus providing that parking arrangements are provided ear the conference. I'm not good at walking long distances any more, I'm fraid. feel bad that David is stymied again this year. Maybe we should try to hold ne of our meetings in Boulder! 'm looking forward to the meeting. Now all I have to do is write the paper(s). ob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht ent: Thu 3/5/2009 6:58 AM o: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU ubject: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry i Mark, ot much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The reliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: SG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) ruce Ingham Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals ob Rankin nstrumentals ohannes Helmbrecht ausative constructions ob Rankin re-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) ohn Boyle ndefinite absolutive *waa- ren Hartmann odality avid Rood erial verb constructions andy Graczyk witch reference and clause chaining atherine Rudin oordination (AND, BUT, OR) ll oundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate oals, a realistic time frame etc. f all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers ? 30 in, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes tc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to roceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go ith a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly nder the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. urther paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I ould imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in he workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on rticles in Siouan? nyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. ith regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would refer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by ar, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. ll the best ohannes --------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- atum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 ntwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on: 20 Mark J Awakuni-Swetland n: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU etreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting n Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. 've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of ity campus, o $80+tax double driving a mile or so, o $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes a full breakfast grill. Catherine, ou stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual umbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper omewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank rograms la st year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and re cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College rogram at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture rofram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska rogram in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activity maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer or the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I ould anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to eave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down HEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event nd stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then ndividuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SILA nstitutions? rograms? ther? Many thanks. thixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland ssistant Professor of Anthropology nd Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) niversity of Nebraska incoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu hone 402-472-3455 AX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. - rof. Dr. Joh annes Helmbrecht ehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft niversit?t Regensburg hilosophische Fakult?t IV prach- und Literaturwissenschaft niversit?tsstr. 31 3053 Regensburg eutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) ax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 -Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de ebseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CaRudin1 at wsc.edu Fri Mar 6 19:25:03 2009 From: CaRudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:25:03 -0600 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: <8CB6C9F58619A60-16CC-EB7@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Looks like least expensive is the concensus choice. The pricier downtown places are convenient, but Lincoln isn't that big a city -- it's easy to get to the University from anywhere. I'll have a car and can offer rides to several people. Catherine >>> 3/6/2009 12:20 PM >>> I would prefer the least expensive accomodations. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Rankin, Robert L To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 1:41 pm Subject: RE: 2009 SACC inquiry I agree that the least expensive accomodations would be the best. I can drive at least 4 passengers to campus providing that parking arrangements are provided near the conference. I'm not good at walking long distances any more, I'm afraid. I feel bad that David is stymied again this year. Maybe we should try to hold one of our meetings in Boulder! I'm looking forward to the meeting. Now all I have to do is write the paper(s). Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 6:58 AM To: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDUSubject: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Hi Mark, not much has changed since my last mails via the Siouan List last year. The preliminary program for the CSGrammar workshop would look like the following: CSG Program Thursday and Friday (Jun e, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality David Rood Serial verb constructions Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. If all announced papers will be delivered in Lincoln, we will have 9 papers ? 30 min, which can be done easily within one and a half day (including breakes etc.). I would like to reserve two hours at the end for a general debate how to proceed with our project of a CSG, since we need some clear ideas where to go with a clear schedule timewise. Otherwise, I fear the project will die slowly under the all day routine everyone of us is fighting with. Further paper proposals are still welcome and can be integrated in the program. I think also to ask some people individually for a contribution. For instance, I could imagine that Ardis Eschenberg would perhaps like to participate (either in the workshop in Lincoln, or in the planned volumes) with a contribution on articles in Siouan? Anyway, that's the state of the art from my point of view. With regard to the lodging question, since my budget will be restricted, I would prefer the cheap level of accommodation. I guess that some people will come by car, so that they may share the ride of the three miles distance with others. All the best Johannes ---------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:40:06 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDUVon: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDUBetreff: 2009 SACC inquiry Aloha all, John and Johannes: How goes the CSGrammar workshop agenda for the SACC meeting in Lincoln? I am gathering lodging options information. I've received quotes ranging from $94-$109+tax double within walking distance of city campus, to $80+tax double driving a mile or so, to $52+tax double driving three miles. What would be your choice of lodging cost range? The high end, close to campus hotel includes20a full breakfast grill. Catherine, you stayed at the Embassy Suites last time you were in Lincoln, enit? Campus dorms are already booked for various youth summer camps. Does anyone want me to check on campground options? We can meet on campus in Anthro dept space that will accommodate our usual numbers of participants. The space has all of the instructional technology. I would like to circulate a call for papers by late Friday. My working agenda for the SACC looks like this: Wednesday early bird supper somewhere. Thursday-Friday CSG workshop organized by J&J with some plan for supper somewhere each night for those who want to continue the conversation. Saturday morning: mixed topic papers Saturday afternoon: Native language instruction workshop, round table, whatever (something similar to the presentations made by the Osage , NICC, and Hochank programs last year). Several Native language instruction programs are already on the SiouanList and are cordially invited to participate. I am thinking of extending invitations to the Nebraska Indian Community College program at Macy, the UmoNhoN Nation Public School UmoNhoN Language and Culture Profram at Macy, Little Priest College at Winnebago, and the Sinte Gleska program in South Dakota. Does anyone have other programs that may not be on the List? Saturday evening the Lincoln Indian Club is scheduled to host a social activit y (maybe hand game and dance w/evening meal). I am the Public Relations Officeer for the club. I could ask the club to extend an invitation to the SACC folks. I would anticipate that everyone would be welcome to attend, and would be able to leave early if they wanted. The caveat is that I would have no way to nail down WHEN supper would be served. I expect the native attendees would go to the event and stay. An alternate idea would be to meet for supper somewhere, then individuals can decide to drop in on the club event later. Sunday morning: mixed topic papers Please forward suggestions as to where the call for papers should be sent. LSA SSILA Institutions? Programs? Other? Many thanks. Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu ( http://omahalanguage.unl.edu/ )Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universit?t Regensburg Philosophische Fakult?t IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universit?tsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de ( mailto:johannes. helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de )Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. 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Thanks Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. Posted March 6, 2009 Siouan and Caddoan Conference (SACC) June 11 (Thursday) through June 14 (Sunday) Oldfather Hall University of Nebraska-Lincoln Local Organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies 841 Oldfather Hall Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu Phone: 402-472-3455 office Phone: 402-770-3521 cell FAX: 402-472-9642 LODGING Keeping in mind the fiscal hard times, a block of 30 rooms (doubles) have been reserved for June 10 (Wednesday) check-in; through June 14 (Sunday) check-out at: Lincoln Travelodge 2801 West O Street (not ?zero? street) O and SW 27th Lincoln, NE 68528 Phone: 402-475-4921 FAX: 402-475-4924 The motel is approximately 3 miles due west on O Street from City Campus Make reservations before May 26th to receive the $52.00 + tax reserved room rate. If you can get in on a cheaper rate at this place, go for it! Travelodge does not have a shuttle service from the Lincoln or Omaha airports. However, both airports have shuttle service to other large hotels in Lincoln for a nominal fee. Let me know what your travel plans are and we can try to coordinate shuttle service. Tell the reservation clerk that you are reserving for the SACC CONFERENCE RATE for the University of Nebraska-Lincoln This URL will take you to the Lincoln Travelodge reservation page: http://www.travelodge.com/Travelodge/control/Booking/check_avail?areaCode=&brandCode=TL,MQ,HJ,DI,RA,KG,SE,BU,BH&searchWithinMiles=25&areaType=1&destination=Lincoln&state=NE&country=US&checkInDate=06/10&numberAdults=1&numberRooms=1&checkOutDate=06/14&numberChildren=0&numberBigChildren=0&rate=000&useWRPoints=false&variant=&id=12815&propBrandId=TL&force_nostay=false&tab=tab2 Map and Directions Getting To The Hotel South Follow Hwy 2, It will Merge into 10th Street. When approaching O Street, take a Left and go approximately 3 miles on O Street. East I-80 West O Exit 396. West I-80 East Exit 397. Take Exit 397 onto 77 Bypass, take the West O Exit. At The Bottom of exit take a right. Go one and one half block west. Airport Lincoln Municipal: Follow Loop Around The Airport. Follow West Adams Street To Stop Light. Make A Right Turn And A Left At The Stop Light Onto I-80, West Bound. Take Exit 397 Onto 77 Bypass. Take West O Exit. At The Bottom Of The Exit, Take A Right. At The Stop Light Go West One And A Half Blocks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 799 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 799 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone who has any material on coordination in any Siouan language, I'd be very grateful if you would share your expertise with me! Anything you have will be helpful. Raw data, papers you've written, reference to other sources, notes and suggestions, anything at all. I do have a fair amount of material on Omaha-Ponca (but could always use more!) I also have various published grammars (Graczyk's Crow, Quintero's Osage, etc.) and dissertations (Eschenberg, Boyle, West, etc.) and stacks of old conference handouts, but haven't had time to comb through any of this -- would appreciate pointers to things I might miss in well-known works as well as new facts or analyses. Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 80896 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2009 SACC registration forms.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 129536 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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WibthahoN WagoNze Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. From linguista at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 20:39:40 2009 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:40 -0700 Subject: 2009 SACC inquiry In-Reply-To: <49B129CF.911C.008E.0@wsc.edu> Message-ID: Looks like I've been dropped from the "tentative list" for the Comparative Siouan Workshop we had been working with last year. I have not even begun to write anything yet, but I still intend to. My topic was "Topic and Focus Markers". Like Catherine, I would like to send out a plea for (1) already extant writings on the subject in papers, from previous SACC's, in dissertations, etc., (2) raw data, and (3) other assorted references. Wrt lodging, I am good to go. Wrt who else to notify, I am sure someone has notified the special program at CU by now. If not, that would be a great idea, even if those folks don't have any research going on right now. Wrt transportation, I will be visiting Jimm immediately prior to the conference. Jimm is not coming for the workshop, so if any of you Lawrentians are driving, I'd be glad to chip in for a northward voyage. -- *********************************************************** Bryan James Gordon, MA Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology University of Arizona *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Tue Mar 10 08:57:40 2009 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:57:40 +0100 Subject: Comparative Siouan Grammar Workshop: Program update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bryan, I would like to apologize for ignoring your workshop proposal. This was not intended, just by accident. So, here is the updated preliminary program for the workshop Comparative Siouan Grammar. All the best Johannes ******************************************************************************* CSG Program Thursday and Friday (June, 11-12) Bruce Ingham "Circumstantial stems" Determiners and positionals Bob Rankin Instrumentals Johannes Helmbrecht Causative constructions Bob Rankin Pre-verbal and post-verbal morphology (template of prefixes/suffixes/enclitics) John Boyle Indefinite absolutive *waa- Iren Hartmann Modality Randy Graczyk Switch reference and clause chaining Catherine Rudin Coordination (AND, BUT, OR) Bryan James Gordon Topic and Focus markers All Roundtable: Publication perspectives for a CSG, ambitious goals, more moderate goals, a realistic time frame etc. ************************************************** ---------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message -- -------- Datum: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:40 -0700 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: Bryan James Gordon An: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Betreff: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Looks like I've been dropped from the "tentative list" for the Comparative Siouan Workshop we had been working with last year. I have not even begun to write anything yet, but I still intend to. My topic was "Topic and Focus Markers". Like Catherine, I would like to send out a plea for (1) already extant writings on the subject in papers, from previous SACC's, in dissertations, etc., (2) raw data, and (3) other assorted references. Wrt lodging, I am good to go. Wrt who else to notify, I am sure someone has notified the special program at CU by now. If not, that would be a great idea, even if those folks don't have any research going on right now. Wrt transportation, I will be visiting Jimm immediately prior to the conference. Jimm is not coming for the workshop, so if any of you Lawrentians are driving, I'd be glad to chip in for a northward voyage. -- ******************************************************** *** Bryan James Gordon, MA Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology University of Arizona ******************************************************** *** -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universit?t Regensburg Philosophische Fakult?t IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universit?tsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First, there are some recent publications on coordination (Haspelmath (ed.) and Haspelmath 2007 in the 2nd edition of the Shopen volumes) which I will have to consider. But, more importantly, I haven't studies the phenomenon on the basis of all the Hocank texts we have by now available in electronic form. All the best Johannes ---------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht / Original message ---------- Datum: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:49:04 -0600 Antwort an: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Von: "Catherine Rudin" An: Betreff: Re: 2009 SACC inquiry Thanks to Johannes for the list of Comparative Syntax Fest topics. It looks exciting!! I'm listed as presenting on"Coordination (AND,OR,BUT). And I do intend to write on this topic. But I must admit I haven't started yet and lack any knowledge of the topic in most of the Siouan languages. Or, to put it bluntly - Help! Anyone who has any material on coordination in any Siouan language, I'd be very grateful if you would share your expertise with me! Anything you have will be helpful. Raw data, papers you've written, reference to other sources, notes and suggestions, anything at all. I do have a fair amount of material on Omaha-Ponca (but could always use more!) Ialso have various published grammars (Graczyk's Crow, Quintero's Osage, etc.) and dissertations (Eschenberg, Boyle, West, etc.) and stacks of old conference handouts, but haven't had time to comb throughany of this-- would appreciate pointers to things I might miss inwell-known works as well as new facts or analyses. Catherine -- Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft Universit?t Regensburg Philosophische Fakult?t IV Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft Universit?tsstr. 31 93053 Regensburg Deutschland Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388 ++49(0)941 943-3387 (Sekretariat) Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429 E-Mail: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sprachwissenschaftliches_Kolloquium_Coordination.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 151088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 00:57:22 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:57:22 -0500 Subject: Fw: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Message-ID: See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. The above statement occurs at the end of this Email. However, for whatever reason, there was no attachment with this particular Email. Perhaps it could be posted again so that I may proceed with Registration and Lodging arrangements. jgt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rankin, Robert L" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RE: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE I'd recommend we send it to the SSILA Newsletter and to Linguist List as soon as possible. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Mon 3/9/2009 12:51 PM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Greetings All! Please forward and circulate the attached CALL FOR PAPERS for the 2009 conference and Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop. Please forward to me any and all suggested placed I should include in this call. Graduate programs? Academic institutions? Native Language programs? Other individuals? WibthahoN WagoNze Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 11:48:13 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:48:13 -0500 Subject: Fw: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Message-ID: An EMail search has uncovered the LODGING/ REGISTRATION INFORMATION. Thank You Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimm GoodTracks To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Fw: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. The above statement occurs at the end of this Email. However, for whatever reason, there was no attachment with this particular Email. Perhaps it could be posted again so that I may proceed with Registration and Lodging arrangements. jgt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rankin, Robert L" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RE: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE I'd recommend we send it to the SSILA Newsletter and to Linguist List as soon as possible. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Mon 3/9/2009 12:51 PM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SACC 2009 CALL FOR PAPERS-PLEASE POST AND CIRCULATE Greetings All! Please forward and circulate the attached CALL FOR PAPERS for the 2009 conference and Comparative Siouan Grammar workshop. Please forward to me any and all suggested placed I should include in this call. Graduate programs? Academic institutions? Native Language programs? Other individuals? WibthahoN WagoNze Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. CALL FOR PAPERS Siouan and Caddoan Languages Conference June 11-14, 2009 Lincoln, Nebraska Hosted by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln Department of Anthropology ???????????????????????????????????? Papers and presentations are invited on topics from any Siouan or Caddoan language. This includes all areas of linguistics (e.g., phonetics, phonology, syntax, grammar, semantics), cultural linguistics (e.g., code-switching, language & identity, language revitalization, language ideology, language shift), and language instruction (e.g., teaching methods, immersion activities, assessment & outcomes, community outreach). Student papers are welcome. We are a congenial group of linguists, scholars, students, community members, and native language instructors. We schedule a single session at a time so everyone is able to attend all presentations and join in the discussions. General paper sessions will follow the traditional 20 minute presentation followed by a short question/answer period. At the end of each session there will be additional time for questions and discussion. Appropriate technology support is available. Send a working abstract of your paper or presentation BY FRIDAY MAY 1st, 2009 to the local conference organizer: Mark Awakuni-Swetland Anthropology/Ethnic Studies mawakuni-swetland2 at unl.edu 402-472-3455 Office Phone 402-472-9642 Office FAX There is a nominal conference REGISTRATION FEE to help defray costs such as the refreshments between sessions. There is a discounted group registration fee available. See the attached REGISTRATION forms. June 11th & 12th will be dedicated to papers supporting the compilation of a volume on COMPARATIVE SIOUAN GRAMMAR. For more information on these two days, and instructions on how to submit CSG papers, contact the CSG organizers: Johannes Helmbrecht johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de John Boyle jp-boyle at neiu.edu June 13th and 14th are dedicated to general paper sessions. The June 13th afternoon session will focus on native language instruction topics with a special invitation to all Siouan and Caddoan native language instruction programs to share their efforts in their respective communities and education institutions. All conference activities will be held in the Department of Anthropology housed in Oldfather Hall on the UNL city campus. See the attached LODGING/TRAVEL and REGISTRATION information sheet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Full Text Available at: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/03/menominee_tribe_tries_to_keep.html ?The future of the Menominee tribal language had just awakened from naps. Seated at a small table, bare except for a label taped to the top that read atuhpwan -- the Menominee word for table -- the tiny students spoke what sounded to an untrained ear like gibberish. Using a booklet of flashcards held up by their teacher, the 2-year-olds pointed and repeated the words kuapenakaehsaeh (cup), aemeskwan (spoon) and paeces kahekan (fork). At home they've been known to ask their families for a snack using the Menominee words for crackers and fruit instead of English. ?Their minds are like sponges,? said their teacher, Candy Mahkimetas, after quizzing them on the words for bear, dog and cat. ?This is the crucial age for them to start speaking.? The survival of the Menominee language -- which has only an estimated 35 fluent speakers -- depends on these tots at Menominee Day Care Center learning the language their ancestors have spoken for centuries. Last month, UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, released a new world atlas of endangered languages -- almost 2,500 that are at risk of becoming extinct or have recently disappeared. Menominee, along with languages of two other Wisconsin tribes -- Oneida and Potawatomi -- is listed as critically endangered?? David A. Nesheim PhD Candidate, History University of Nebraska - Lincoln dnesheim2 at unl.edu www.unl.edu/dnesheim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 18:16:50 2009 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:16:50 -0700 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: Hi all, ? I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference on Biloxi evidentiality.? It's my understanding that this topic hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please let me know.? The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo.? The first indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.'? ? Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a similar system.? If anyone knows of any other Native American languages that have similar systems, please let me know.? I am aware, of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as a graduate research assistant last year. ? And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes).? If anyone has any thoughts on male-female speech patterns?in Siouan or other languages, please let me know. ? Cheers, ? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwd0002 at unt.edu Tue Mar 17 18:50:34 2009 From: rwd0002 at unt.edu (rwd0002 at unt.edu) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:50:34 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: <990447.97515.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all: I have written a bit on Evidentiality. The two most recent sources are Aikhenvald (2004), Evidentiality (Oxford), and Studies in Evidentiality, ed. by Aikhenvald and Dixon (2003) (John Benjamins). I'd expect all Siouan languages to have some evid. marking. In Lakhota, you have a rather minimal set of evid. enclitics or particles: keyA quotative, s^khe quotative (there must be a difference; what the difference is should be figured out more clearly, maybe check what Julian Rice says), and possibly also huNs^e, and c^he. (Rood and Taylor Handbook sketch, p. 475: "assertions that the speaker believes to be true, but for which formal proof is lacking".) These might be epistemic, though. Evid. should only code source of knowledge, not degree of certainly/uncertainly, but of course there might be overlaps. Willem de Reuse Quoting David Kaufman : > Hi all, > ? > I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference > on Biloxi evidentiality.? It's my understanding that this topic > hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples > from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please > let me know.? The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have > at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo.? The first > indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates > that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.'? > ? > Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a > similar system.? If anyone knows of any other Native American > languages that have similar systems, please let me know.? I am aware, > of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give > an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as > a graduate research assistant last year. > ? > And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in > Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be > used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes).? If anyone has > any thoughts on male-female speech patterns?in Siouan or other > languages, please let me know. > ? > Cheers, > ? > Dave > > > From rankin at ku.edu Tue Mar 17 19:26:56 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:26:56 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: See that article on Siouan positionals and their various grammaticalizations in S.T.U.F. for treatment of Dhegiha. The evidentials part of the paper was based on work done by John Koontz. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Tue 3/17/2009 1:16 PM To: Siouan List Subject: Siouan evidentiality Hi all, I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference on Biloxi evidentiality. It's my understanding that this topic hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please let me know. The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo. The first indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.' Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a similar system. If anyone knows of any other Native American languages that have similar systems, please let me know. I am aware, of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as a graduate research assistant last year. And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes). If anyone has any thoughts on male-female speech patterns in Siouan or other languages, please let me know. Cheers, Dave From CaRudin1 at wsc.edu Tue Mar 17 21:10:10 2009 From: CaRudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:10:10 -0500 Subject: magazine articles In-Reply-To: <486B7B1F0200008E0001010B@hermes.wsc.edu> Message-ID: Two magazine articles on Siouan languages appeared in my mailbox on the same day!! (1) There's a nice article mostly about teaching and learning Ho-Chunk in the current issue of "On Wisconsin", the University of Wisconsin alumni magazine. Pictures of Henning Garvin and his father teaching Ho-Chunk at UW and references to Iren Hartmann and "another German researcher," as well as some discussion of work on Menominee and Ojibwe by UW faculty. Google "On Wisconsin Magazine" and click on the article "Weight of the Words" to have a look at it. (2) Living Here magazine, a local magazine in "Southeast South Dakota and Northeast Nebraska," has a pretty good article on Omaha and Ponca in the Spring 2009 issue. Their reporter interviewed me and Mark Awakuni-Swetland, and included a Dorsey text. No online version that I know of; the magazine's contact info is P.O. Box 400, Yankton, SD 57078; phone 605-260-6492. Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chafe at linguistics.ucsb.edu Tue Mar 17 23:26:57 2009 From: chafe at linguistics.ucsb.edu (Wallace Chafe) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:26:57 -0700 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: <20090317135034.i7pn2e9mc5k4kok0@eaglemail.unt.edu> Message-ID: Probably some of you know about the 1986 book edited by me and Johanna Nichols, Evidentiality: The Linguistic Coding of Epistemology. I mention it because it has various things on Indian languages. I think Aikhenvald made a mistake in narrowing her focus to evidence per se. Epistemology is the larger category, and there is much overlap between evidence, narrowly defined, and how one evaluates it. I suspect that most Indian languages have at the very least a particle (or something) that indicates that information is secondhand. Hearsay is one label for it. While it may show something about the source of the information, I think at the same time it conveys an attitude toward the validity of that information. Northern California languages, which are famous for their evidentiality, don't seem to limit it to evidence per se either. I'll be interested in seeing what people say about Siouan languages. All the best, Wally --On Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:50 PM -0500 rwd0002 at unt.edu wrote: > Hi all: > > I have written a bit on Evidentiality. The two most recent sources are > Aikhenvald (2004), Evidentiality (Oxford), and Studies in Evidentiality, > ed. by Aikhenvald and Dixon (2003) (John Benjamins). > > I'd expect all Siouan languages to have some evid. marking. In Lakhota, > you have a rather minimal set of evid. enclitics or particles: keyA > quotative, s^khe quotative (there must be a difference; what the > difference is should be figured out more clearly, maybe check what Julian > Rice says), and possibly also huNs^e, and c^he. (Rood and Taylor Handbook > sketch, p. 475: "assertions that the speaker believes to be true, but for > which formal proof is lacking".) These might be epistemic, though. Evid. > should only code source of knowledge, not degree of > certainly/uncertainly, but of course there might be overlaps. > > Willem de Reuse > > Quoting David Kaufman : > >> Hi all, >> ? >> I'm planning on writing a paper to present at this year's conference >> on Biloxi evidentiality.? It's my understanding that this topic >> hasn't been much researched in Siouan, but if you have any examples >> from your respective languages or any other thoughts on it, please >> let me know.? The long and short of it is that Biloxi seems to have >> at least 2 evidentiality particles, kane and naxo.? The first >> indicates 'hearsay' or 'not experienced' whereas the second indicates >> that it was 'directly experienced' or 'first-hand knowledge.'? >> ? >> Not sure about other Siouan languages, but Cherokee apparently has a >> similar system.? If anyone knows of any other Native American >> languages that have similar systems, please let me know.? I am aware, >> of course, that evidentiality is hot in Central Asia, and I may give >> an example or two from SW Monguor, a Mongolic language I worked on as >> a graduate research assistant last year. >> ? >> And, oh yes, there is the possibility that use of evidentials in >> Biloxi may be a male vs. female speech pattern (evidentials may be >> used only by men according to one of Dorsey's notes).? If anyone has >> any thoughts on male-female speech patterns?in Siouan or other >> languages, please let me know. >> ? >> Cheers, >> ? >> Dave >> >> >> > > From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Wed Mar 18 01:01:09 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:01:09 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: <990447.97515.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, I'll offer what I know from Omaha/Ponca. John Koontz and Bob Rankin may have a slightly different view. There are at least four particles that are relevant to evidentiality: i, bi, tHe and ama. These are all post-verbal, and to my knowledge, except for i, are only used in the third person. The i and bi particles come immediately after the verb (or in one case in Dorsey, after the noun, in a sentence that didn't have a verb). For the most part at least, they are mutually exclusive. Next may come tHe, and ama comes at the end of the sentence. The i and bi particles are a bit of a puzzle, and I've had a lingering debate going on about them with John and Bob since about 2001 or so. Prior to then, the wisdom seemed to be that they were simply alternates of the same particle, in which i was just a reduced form of bi. The two both belong to a small class of post-verbal particles that cause ablaut; i.e., cause a preceding verb that ends in -e to change its ending to -a when the particle is present. bi is surely cognate with Dakotan pi and Winnebago-Chiwere wi, which both are involved in making the action of the verb plural. In Omaha/Ponca, i is used in some contexts to mark plurality, as for commanding more than one person, or any plural declarative (we, you or they). It also seems to be used in constructions describing general behavior, even to the point of a quasi-passive sense: "they do it" => "it is done", like Dakotan pi. However, i is actually used most commonly as a third person singular declarative. In the third person singular, there is apparently a subtle difference in meaning, depending on whether the verb is followed by i or not. John Koontz has proposed the distinction of "proximate" vs. "obviative" for this, with the subject being "center stage" for the proximate (with i), and "off-stage" for the obviative (without i). My sense is that you use i when you focus on the action as a narrative event, and do not use i when you want to make the listener visualize the verbal action as a condition or context, as when a character encounters someone else doing something. In modern Omaha, declarative i has been truncated off, and only the -e verbs ablauted to -a remain. Our modern speakers overwhelmingly prefer the -a form as normative for third person singular. They generally explain that the -e form is present and the -a form is past. This explanation makes some sense if the -e form declares condition and the -a form declares narrative event. At any rate, the i particle was used declaratively for events directly experienced, or at least not doubted by the speaker, as you describe for Biloxi naxo. In contrast, the bi particle is used when the speaker wants to raise the preceding material to an idea or hypothesis to be considered, rather than declaring it to be the straight goods on the speaker's own authority. This includes anything that is hearsay, as well as cases where in English we might use "the supposed", "the alleged", "the putative", or such and such a hypothesis or idea. The ama particle is closely tied to bi, in the very common form: [Sentence] bi-ama. This is the way most sentences narrating the actions of mythological characters end. However, bi, like i, seems also to imply narrative action rather than visualized condition. Many sentences visualizing condition do not end in a regular verb at all, but in a positional which tells how a scene is laid out. In this case, no bi or i is used. For a declarative on the speaker's own authority, the positional ends the sentence. But when visualizing a scene from a mythological account, the positional is followed by ama. Thus, the ama particle largely equates to your Biloxi kane, to refer to 'hearsay', or things 'not experienced'. When a narrative sentence is composed of multiple clauses, the clauses before the end may end in i or bi prior to the conjuction. In the older speech pattern that is usual in the mythological stories recorded by Dorsey, these clauses would normally end in bi for mythological narrative, and only the final clause would end in bi-ama. Later, I think already in some of the material recorded by Dorsey, the entire biama package would sometimes be used to end prefinal clauses. In modern Omaha, the two particles tend to be fused, and it seems to be uncommon for them to be used separately. In fact, even the meaning of 'hearsay' in current usage is in doubt. I have had speakers insist that biama is simply the required declarative form in some cases (I forget- I think it was plural, past, or both). The remaining particle is tHe. This one is also a bit of a puzzle, and seems to me to have changed its meaning. John Koontz refers to it as EVID in his analyses: the evidential particle. Modern speakers back him up. In this case, [Sentence] i tHe means [Sentence] *evidently* took place; *apparently* [Sentence] happened. This is different from the kane-naxo axis of distinction. naxo: "it's so, straight goods, take it from me"; kane: "this is what the story says"; tHe: "this is probably the case, given the evidence at hand". Most of the time in Dorsey, however, tHe seems to be a straight-goods declarative that something has happened. I see it as something of a perfective marker that throws the action into the past prior to the time of the narrative in such a way as to affect conditions at the time of the narrative. It can be used after i, or between bi and ama. For 19th century Omaha/Ponca: [Sentence] i ha/he. Straight-goods declaration of action. (ha and he are respectively male and female emphatic/declarative particles. These seem to have become "old-people" speech in the early 20th century and dropped out of the language along with the preceding i, leaving only -e verbs ending in -a to mark the lost i in 20th century Omaha.) [Sentence] i tHe. [Sentence] has happened; straight goods. (In 20th century Omaha, this means [Sentence] has *apparently* happened.) [Sentence][positional]. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], straight goods. [Sentence][positional] ama. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], that's the story. [Sentence] bi ama. This is what he did, according to the story. [Sentence] bi tHe ama. This is what someone had done, according to the story. Hope this helps! I'll post this to the list, in case other Dhegihanists have any comments to add. 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At the extreme opposite end of evidentiality, there's the particle skaN, which tends to appear together with the pronoun e, 'that,' as skaN e. This one is used for things the speaker cannot possibly have witnessed, such as the traditional myth stories, making this construction something akin to the English expression, '...or so it goes.' Somewhere between these two lies the narrative particle c^He, which seems to be used much as the OP particle tHe described by Rory below. There are combinations of these, most notably c^He ao, which is probably still in the c^He category. Since skaN is definitely way out beyond c^He in terms of evidentiality, the distinction between the gender set and c^He is probably the fuzzier distinction. I'm not sure of where the line is drawn between o/e and c^He, but I'd suspect there is a line there somewhere. Hope this helps, -Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rory M Larson To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Siouan evidentiality Hi Dave, I'll offer what I know from Omaha/Ponca. John Koontz and Bob Rankin may have a slightly different view. There are at least four particles that are relevant to evidentiality: i, bi, tHe and ama. These are all post-verbal, and to my knowledge, except for i, are only used in the third person. The i and bi particles come immediately after the verb (or in one case in Dorsey, after the noun, in a sentence that didn't have a verb). For the most part at least, they are mutually exclusive. Next may come tHe, and ama comes at the end of the sentence. The i and bi particles are a bit of a puzzle, and I've had a lingering debate going on about them with John and Bob since about 2001 or so. Prior to then, the wisdom seemed to be that they were simply alternates of the same particle, in which i was just a reduced form of bi. The two both belong to a small class of post-verbal particles that cause ablaut; i.e., cause a preceding verb that ends in -e to change its ending to -a when the particle is present. bi is surely cognate with Dakotan pi and Winnebago-Chiwere wi, which both are involved in making the action of the verb plural. In Omaha/Ponca, i is used in some contexts to mark plurality, as for commanding more than one person, or any plural declarative (we, you or they). It also seems to be used in constructions describing general behavior, even to the point of a quasi-passive sense: "they do it" => "it is done", like Dakotan pi. However, i is actually used most commonly as a third person singular declarative. In the third person singular, there is apparently a subtle difference in meaning, depending on whether the verb is followed by i or not. John Koontz has proposed the distinction of "proximate" vs. "obviative" for this, with the subject being "center stage" for the proximate (with i), and "off-stage" for the obviative (without i). My sense is that you use i when you focus on the action as a narrative event, and do not use i when you want to make the listener visualize the verbal action as a condition or context, as when a character encounters someone else doing something. In modern Omaha, declarative i has been truncated off, and only the -e verbs ablauted to -a remain. Our modern speakers overwhelmingly prefer the -a form as normative for third person singular. They generally explain that the -e form is present and the -a form is past. This explanation makes some sense if the -e form declares condition and the -a form declares narrative event. At any rate, the i particle was used declaratively for events directly experienced, or at least not doubted by the speaker, as you describe for Biloxi naxo. In contrast, the bi particle is used when the speaker wants to raise the preceding material to an idea or hypothesis to be considered, rather than declaring it to be the straight goods on the speaker's own authority. This includes anything that is hearsay, as well as cases where in English we might use "the supposed", "the alleged", "the putative", or such and such a hypothesis or idea. The ama particle is closely tied to bi, in the very common form: [Sentence] bi-ama. This is the way most sentences narrating the actions of mythological characters end. However, bi, like i, seems also to imply narrative action rather than visualized condition. Many sentences visualizing condition do not end in a regular verb at all, but in a positional which tells how a scene is laid out. In this case, no bi or i is used. For a declarative on the speaker's own authority, the positional ends the sentence. But when visualizing a scene from a mythological account, the positional is followed by ama. Thus, the ama particle largely equates to your Biloxi kane, to refer to 'hearsay', or things 'not experienced'. When a narrative sentence is composed of multiple clauses, the clauses before the end may end in i or bi prior to the conjuction. In the older speech pattern that is usual in the mythological stories recorded by Dorsey, these clauses would normally end in bi for mythological narrative, and only the final clause would end in bi-ama. Later, I think already in some of the material recorded by Dorsey, the entire biama package would sometimes be used to end prefinal clauses. In modern Omaha, the two particles tend to be fused, and it seems to be uncommon for them to be used separately. In fact, even the meaning of 'hearsay' in current usage is in doubt. I have had speakers insist that biama is simply the required declarative form in some cases (I forget- I think it was plural, past, or both). The remaining particle is tHe. This one is also a bit of a puzzle, and seems to me to have changed its meaning. John Koontz refers to it as EVID in his analyses: the evidential particle. Modern speakers back him up. In this case, [Sentence] i tHe means [Sentence] *evidently* took place; *apparently* [Sentence] happened. This is different from the kane-naxo axis of distinction. naxo: "it's so, straight goods, take it from me"; kane: "this is what the story says"; tHe: "this is probably the case, given the evidence at hand". Most of the time in Dorsey, however, tHe seems to be a straight-goods declarative that something has happened. I see it as something of a perfective marker that throws the action into the past prior to the time of the narrative in such a way as to affect conditions at the time of the narrative. It can be used after i, or between bi and ama. For 19th century Omaha/Ponca: [Sentence] i ha/he. Straight-goods declaration of action. (ha and he are respectively male and female emphatic/declarative particles. These seem to have become "old-people" speech in the early 20th century and dropped out of the language along with the preceding i, leaving only -e verbs ending in -a to mark the lost i in 20th century Omaha.) [Sentence] i tHe. [Sentence] has happened; straight goods. (In 20th century Omaha, this means [Sentence] has *apparently* happened.) [Sentence][positional]. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], straight goods. [Sentence][positional] ama. Picture [Sentence], laid out as [positional], that's the story. [Sentence] bi ama. This is what he did, according to the story. [Sentence] bi tHe ama. This is what someone had done, according to the story. Hope this helps! I'll post this to the list, in case other Dhegihanists have any comments to add. Best, Rory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Wed Mar 18 17:03:33 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:03:33 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the addition, Justin! So to pull Kaw and Omaha/Ponca together comparatively: OP tHe and Kaw c^He are presumably the same word, and are used similarly. I suppose this means in the evidential sense, correct? Any trace of perfective use? The Kaw declaratives ao and (y)e would surely correspond to OP ha-u and he. In the 19th century, the u that frequently followed male ha in OP was still a separate particle. It apparently functioned as a "Hey, you!" attention getter when calling to somebody. Only males were rude enough to do this, so it stuck to the ha as a male emphatic. If you already had someone's attention, you could just use plain ha. In 20th century Omaha, ha-u, usually written as ho, is still used. It's not an obligatory declarative ending, but conveys manly emphaticness and seems to be appreciated like a firm handshake. /o/ => /u/ in OP, so the attention-getting particle is old in Dhegihan, and was originally o as in Kaw. The original system would be: a - men's emphatic/declarative => OP ha e - women's emphatic/declarative => OP he, Kaw (y)e o - attention getting particle, used only by men, and often attached to male a as a-o => Kaw ao/o, OP hau/ho Do you ever have anything like i or bi before ao/o? What about the circumstances for the sometimes-y in front of the female particle? Is that conditioned by a preceding front vowel, or could it be a Kaw version of the OP i particle? I can't think of anything like skaN e in OP, but that seems to ring a bell for the 'hearsay' final in some other MVS language I've looked at in the past, either Dakotan or Winnebago-Chiwere or both. I suspect that is the original, which has somehow been replaced by ama/biama in OP. Rory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 17:41:05 2009 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:41:05 -0700 Subject: Siouan evidentiality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, everyone, for the feedback.? ? Of course Biloxi also has the gender-specific declaratives na (male) and ni (female) - although their use was apparently not obligatory by the time of Dorsey's data gathering.? I hadn't thought of these as being 'evidential' per se, although I'm sure their use or lack thereof may have had some discourse significance.? Also, I should include the narrative-terminating 'etuxa' (meaning something like "they say it always") among the Biloxi evidentials - a way of saying the story has been passed down from prior generations and is not original to the current storyteller. ? Dave --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Rory M Larson wrote: From: Rory M Larson Subject: Re: Siouan evidentiality To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:03 AM Thanks for the addition, Justin! ?So to pull Kaw and Omaha/Ponca together comparatively: OP tHe and Kaw c^He are presumably the same word, and are used similarly. ?I suppose this means in the evidential sense, correct? ?Any trace of perfective use? The Kaw declaratives ao and (y)e would surely correspond to OP ha-u and he. ?In the 19th century, the u that frequently followed male ha in OP was still a separate particle. ?It apparently functioned as a "Hey, you!" attention getter when calling to somebody. ?Only males were rude enough to do this, so it stuck to the ha as a male emphatic. ?If you already had someone's attention, you could just use plain ha. ?In 20th century Omaha, ha-u, usually written as ho, is still used. ?It's not an obligatory declarative ending, but conveys manly emphaticness and seems to be appreciated like a firm handshake. ?/o/ => /u/ in OP, so the attention-getting particle is old in Dhegihan, and was originally o as in Kaw. ?The original system would be: a - men's emphatic/declarative => OP ha e - women's emphatic/declarative => OP he, Kaw (y)e o - attention getting particle, used only by men, and often attached to male a as a-o => Kaw ao/o, OP hau/ho Do you ever have anything like i or bi before ao/o? ?What about the circumstances for the sometimes-y in front of the female particle? ?Is that conditioned by a preceding front vowel, or could it be a Kaw version of the OP i particle? I can't think of anything like skaN e in OP, but that seems to ring a bell for the 'hearsay' final in some other MVS language I've looked at in the past, either Dakotan or Winnebago-Chiwere or both. ?I suspect that is the original, which has somehow been replaced by ama/biama in OP. Rory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Thu Mar 19 16:39:55 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:39:55 -0500 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: Justin is traveling to Boston with his family this week, so let me add a couple of notes. > OP tHe and Kaw c^He are presumably the same word, and are used similarly. I suppose this means in the evidential sense, correct? Any trace of perfective use? They are direct cognates. In STUF I ventured that this Dhegiha particle is etymologically *re 'this' + *he 'say'. The compound *rehe' loses the initial-syllable unaccented vowel (like pronouns and ki- do) leaving *rhe. This regularly gives [the] (tHe) in Dhegiha, which affricates in Kansa and Osage to che. So etymologically the particle would have been the typical DEMON+say construction still widely used in Siouan quotatives today ('to say the aforementioned' or 'to say the following', where "aforementioned/following" are signaled by demonstrative particles). Interestingly, John Koontz discovered that, since /the/ is homophonous with one of the definite articles, the OTHER definite articles had acquired an evidential function in certain contexts in certain of the published Dorsey Omaha texts. I didn't find this in other Dhegiha languages, but I think I cited a couple of his examples in my STUF paper: The History and Development of Siouan Positionals. Sprachtypologie und Universalienforschung 57:202-227 (special issue on nominal classification ed. by Alexandra Aikhenvald), 2004. I tend to think that the perfective meaning of /the/ comes from the fact that that it marks 'hearsay' in traditional texts all of which are treated as past events, but maybe it's just that I don't have examples of it in "modern" Kaw discourse or texts that I recall. Bob > The Kaw declaratives ao and (y)e would surely correspond to OP ha-u and he. In the 19th century, the u that frequently followed male ha in OP was still a separate particle. It apparently functioned as a "Hey, you!" attention getter when calling to somebody. Only males were rude enough to do this, so it stuck to the ha as a male emphatic. If you already had someone's attention, you could just use plain ha. In 20th century Omaha, ha-u, usually written as ho, is still used. It's not an obligatory declarative ending, but conveys manly emphaticness and seems to be appreciated like a firm handshake. /o/ => /u/ in OP, so the attention-getting particle is old in Dhegihan, and was originally o as in Kaw. The original system would be: a - men's emphatic/declarative => OP ha e - women's emphatic/declarative => OP he, Kaw (y)e o - attention getting particle, used only by men, and often attached to male a as a-o => Kaw ao/o, OP hau/ho Do you ever have anything like i or bi before ao/o? What about the circumstances for the sometimes-y in front of the female particle? Is that conditioned by a preceding front vowel, or could it be a Kaw version of the OP i particle? I can't think of anything like skaN e in OP, but that seems to ring a bell for the 'hearsay' final in some other MVS language I've looked at in the past, either Dakotan or Winnebago-Chiwere or both. I suspect that is the original, which has somehow been replaced by ama/biama in OP. Rory From johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de Thu Mar 19 16:43:01 2009 From: johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de (Johannes Helmbrecht) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:43:01 +0100 Subject: Siouan evidentiality Message-ID: This is an automatic response to your mail. I am away from my office until April, 4. In case of an emergency, please contact Mrs Stitz (ingrid.stitz at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de) Best, Johannes Helmbrecht From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Mar 26 20:46:32 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0500 Subject: TesoNwiN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aho WagaxthoN, TesoNwiN worked with me 1-1/2 hours today (Thursday). WagoNze Uthixide "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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