a strange query -- off topic.

[Kathleen Shea]

One of my Ponca consultants, who prefers to remain unnamed, tells me that the word for 'stick beetle' in Ponca is /ttee etta waa'bazu/ (literally, '[he] points in the direction of the buffalo').

Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ThodeCharles 
  To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:32 PM
  Subject: RE: a strange query -- off topic.


  It's also in the  Osage side page 159, left column 4th word from the bottom: tse'howainge

  C.Thode

  > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:44:16 -0700
  > From: David.Rood at Colorado.EDU
  > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
  > Subject: Re: FW: a strange query -- off topic.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Interesting!! As kids (in rural New York state) we used to ask daddy 
  > longlegs (a particular kind of big spider) "Which way are the cows going" 
  > (without touching the spider, of course) and the spider would stick out 
  > one or another of its legs to answer us.
  > 
  > David S. Rood
  > Dept. of Linguistics
  > Univ. of Colorado
  > 295 UCB
  > Boulder, CO 80309-0295
  > USA
  > rood at colorado.edu
  > 
  &g! t; On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Rory M Larson wrote:
  > 
  > > Nice, David!
  > >
  > > My copy is handy, and it's actually under 'walkingstick (insect)' on the
  > > English side. On the Osage side we have:
  > >
  > > ttse' ho-wa-iN-ge, walking stick (bug);
  > > ttse, buffalo; ho-wa-iN-ge, where are they.
  > > When a child catches a walking stick it squeezes
  > > it between his fingers and asks, "Where are the
  > > buffalo?" Then the little bug will point straight
  > > ahead, to the right or to the left, and thus the
  > > child gets the answer to his question.
  > >
  > > Hope this is a help to computer science.
  > >
  > > Rory
  > >
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  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > ROOD DAVID S <David.Rood at Colorado.EDU>
  > > Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
  > > 11/04/2009! 10:50 AM
  > > Please respond to
  > > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
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  > > To
  > > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
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  > > Subject
  > > Re: FW: a strange query -- off topic.
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  > > One of my students, Chuck Thode, tells me that the word for 'walking
  > > stick' in the  Osage dictionary means something like 'where did
  > > the buffalo go' (so look under the English word 'buffalo'). Apparently
  > > there is a description there of how the walking stick told the hunters
  > > which way to go. My copy of the LaFlesche dictionary is not handy at the
  > > moment, so someone else should verify this.
  > >
  > > Bob, you'll have to forward this to Sally.
  > >
  > > David S. Rood
  > > Dept. of Linguistics
  > > Uni! v. of Colorado
  > > 295 UCB
  > > Boulder, CO 80309-0295
  > > USA
  > > rood at colorado.edu
  > >
  > > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Rankin, Robert L wrote:
  > >
  > >> I had this query from Sally Thomason, who works with Salish-speaking
  > > people in Montana. Has anyone heard anything like her beetle account
  > > from plains tribes?
  > >>
  > >> It sounds to me a bit like some of our local farmers who say you can
  > > tell how cold it will be in the coming Winter by seeing how thick the coat
  > > is on fuzzy caterpillars.
  > >>
  > >> Bob
  > >>
  > >> -----Original Message-----
  > >>
  > >> Here's a weird question: I've heard that some Plains Indians
  > >> consulted a beetle (or maybe a grasshopper) to decide which
  > >> direction to hunt in, by picking it up and seeing how the
  >! ; >> antennae waved. Can you shed any light on this? Have
  > >> you heard it? Did someone do this, and if so, who? And if
  > >> you haven't heard about it but think it could possibly be a
  > >> true account, can you suggest someone else I should ask?
  > >>
  > >> (I'm cc'ing Rich on this message because he claims,
  > >> rather improbably, that the answer would help him with
  > >> his research -- research which, as far as I know, is not
  > >> concerned with Plains Indians.) [Rich is in computer science. Bob]
  > >>
  > >> -- Sally
  > >>
  > >
  > >


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