From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 20:20:38 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:20:38 -0500 Subject: Meet with Executive Committee In-Reply-To: <100089FBC95E4214A3C88437F6B646CB@ninaPC> Message-ID: Yes, Nina, I can attend the Sept. 9th Executive Committee meeting at whatever time is set. I will bring the schedule of events from this past June, so as they will have an idea of the kind of topics of discussion. Also, it can be used as a frame of reference for discussion and questions for clarification. I will await to hear from you further. Jimm ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina R Merchant To: Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Meet with Executive Committee Good Morning Jimm, Spoke to the Executive Committee regarding the tribe hosting the language conference. And as always, I can never predict their response. Having mentioned it to them once I felt it could be counted as a sure thing. They are inviting you to attend our next meeting which will be Wednesday, September 9th, to explain the event in more detail. I couldn't because I myself am not sure of the activities. Will it be possible for you to stop in Wednesday? I won't know the time until closer to meeting time as it will depend on agenda items. I expressed to them that I would help in organizing so there would be little "sweat of the brow" needed from them. But I do think they would like to know what all will be involved. I think there questions are legitimate and you are the one I turn to for answers. I look forward to hearing from you soon on this. Have a good week end. Reviewed the cc to Patt. If you need help with FastLane, or anything else, let me know. I am always willing to help if I can. Nina R. Merchant Iowa Tribe of Kansas and Nebraska Executive Committee Treasurer Contract/Grant Administrator 3345 B Thrasher Road White Cloud, KS 66094 Telephone: (785) 595-3258 Fax: (785) 595-6610 email: grantad at iowas.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 12:21:12 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:21:12 -0500 Subject: 2011 Siouan Languages Conference Message-ID: For the past several years, the group has been meeting several days earlier or later of the main meeting which usually is a full day on Saturday and a half a day on Sunday. That has been the general format for a while. I have not heard if that will be the format for the 2010 SCLC, however, am I hearing that the purpose of these extra days, namely, the comparative Siouan Grammar study, is due for a final completion and printout of work results? Is that correct? IF so, then the original itinerary is: Friday night group fellowship Saturday full day of presentations & Saturday evening fellowship Sunday half day of presentation. This afternoon (1:00pm), I will meet with the Executive Committee for the Iowa Tribe of Kansas Nebraska in order to secure an invitation and letter of acceptance as the hosts for the 2011 Siouan Languages Conference site, which is located approximately four miles from White Cloud, KS and twenty miles from Hiawatha, KS and Falls City, NE. The area is quite similar to the setting of the Kaw (Kansa) Nation in Kaw City, Oklahoma where we all met about four years ago. The George Ogdon building adjoins the Tribal Administration Building. It is about 3X the size of the ample space afforded us by Mark and his team at Lincoln last year. The walls have a band of family photos, paintings, historic documents, etc. donated by individuals. The west side has glass cases, similar to those at Kaw Nation which have family artifacts, costumes, photos, and material culture of the Ioway of Kansas-Nebraska. There is a full kitchen with coffee urns, large serving window and whatever is necessary to cook for gatherings. The Tribal Casino is just a short ride South of the location. They provide noon and evening buffet meals ($8), which would be an easy meal site for Saturday noon during the conference. I will explore the possibility if they would be able to cater the same to the group as we meet in the Ogdon Building. Again, the area is much like the very rural setting of the Kaw Nation, which is typical for a good many tribal administrative centers, and which again, was similar to the areas of the Winnebago of Nebraska and the Omaha at Macey, NE for those who traveled through those areas on their way to Lincoln, and the Wichita Tribal complex at Anadarko, Oklahoma when the group met there some years ago. The Sauk and Fox Tribe of Missouri has their Administration Building, Museum and Quik Stop gas station at Reserve, about 15 miles West from the Iowa Tribe enterprise area. The Kickapoo Tribe of Kansas, their Casino, gas stop are located about 40 miles Southwest of the Iowa Tribe. The Prairie Band of Potawatomi, their Casino, gas stop are approximately 70 miles Southwest. It is likely that they may be having their June powwow during the conference, as it was going on as we met in Lincoln, and was visited by several of the tribal representative attendees on their way to and from Lincoln last year. The Iowa Tribe here has four very nice cedar cabins that can comfortably hold 3-4 persons each ($60/ night) and are situated next to the gas and food store, and a short half mile from the Casino buffet. Other Motels are available in Hiawatha and Falls City, and which no doubt, a conference block could be reserved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well ... we did say we would try to have volume I done in 2010, but the Comparative Siouan Grammar project will surely not be completed then (or maybe ever) -- there's definitely going to be plenty left to say about the grammar of Siouan languages for many years to come. Whether we want to keep having a workshop every year is an open question. I guess it's also a question whether the workshop (if we do continue it) should always be associated with the Siouan and Caddoan conference -- that's convenient for a lot of us, but could be a burden on the local organizer to be responsible for finding space etc. for an extra day or two of sessions. What do you all think? How to organize the 2011 meeting is really up to Jimm -- whoever volunteers to host gets to make those decisions. Catherine >>> Mark J Awakuni-Swetland 9/9/2009 9:59 AM >>> Aloha all, It is good to hear that Jimm is going after the 2011 SACC meeting. Do I recall correctly that recent conferences had two full days of session (Friday-Saturday) and a Sunday morning session? The 2009 Lincoln meeting was expanded one day (Thursday) to accommodate the CSG sessions. Regards, Mark Awakuni-Swetland From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 22:15:10 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:15:10 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Thu Sep 10 03:03:39 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:03:39 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: That's great news, Jimm. Is there a bridge from MO to KS near there? The one I know about is up at Falls City, NE, which would make this the first tri-state Siouan Conference. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 5:15 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. From rankin at ku.edu Thu Sep 10 03:17:33 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:17:33 -0500 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry Message-ID: I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa. I take it that it's not in the Dorsey files. Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me, somehow rings a bell. I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a phantasm of my aging brain. I certainly don't associate it with 'brother'. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SHTUBA inquiry Aloha all, My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba' as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'. We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL. Does anyone recognize the word? Thanks, Mark Awakuni-Swetland From carudin1 at wsc.edu Thu Sep 10 03:30:26 2009 From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:30:26 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: Sounds wonderful. I like the sound of those cedar cabins! Catherine >>> "Rankin, Robert L" 09/09/09 10:14 PM >>> That's great news, Jimm. Is there a bridge from MO to KS near there? The one I know about is up at Falls City, NE, which would make this the first tri-state Siouan Conference. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 5:15 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Sep 10 13:44:52 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:44:52 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: <05602A78A2224600BFA2CD117AA99411@JGHP> Message-ID: Aho Jimm, That is good news for the 2011 SACC conference. Let me know if there is anything I can assist you with as you move forward in your planning. WibthahoN Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Sep 10 14:13:09 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:13:09 -0500 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry In-Reply-To: <94AEF443BC155B408F63B70FAD80787B5F5881@MAILBOX-31.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: I think we may have found it. Our speaker, who originally didn't recognize the word, consulted with her sister and came up with the word ishtuba, 'grandchild'. Then she checked with her brother, who corrected her pronunciation to ishtuppa. At this point I looked up the word for 'grandchild', and found ittushpa. So it looks like this is probably one of those consonant cluster dyslexia things they do with a few words, like bruga / gruba for 'all', and wabagreze / wabragase / wagrabase for 'paper' or 'book'. I don't know how ancient or widespread this ittushpa / ishtuba~ishtuppa doublet may be, but the fact that one speaker used it and two others recognized it seems to give it some credibility. Rory "Rankin, Robert L" Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 09/09/2009 10:23 PM Please respond to siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU To cc Subject RE: SHTUBA inquiry I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa. I take it that it's not in the Dorsey files. Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me, somehow rings a bell. I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a phantasm of my aging brain. I certainly don't associate it with 'brother'. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SHTUBA inquiry Aloha all, My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba' as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'. We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL. Does anyone recognize the word? Thanks, Mark Awakuni-Swetland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2867 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 14:43:37 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:43:37 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: <94AEF443BC155B408F63B70FAD80787B5F5880@MAILBOX-31.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: Yes, Bob! It is not necessary to go that far West to connect to tribal complex. The Eagle Nest Motel (behind the Squaw Creek Truck Stop and Restaurant) is on I-29 (in Missouri State). On I-29, take exit Rulo (Nebraska) Exit 79 (5 miles south of Mound City) then #159 west, across the Missouri River bridge into to Rulo Nebraska. Taking #7 south until you see the sun sign of Casino White Cloud. The Iowa Tribal complex is before you actually arrive at the Casino. Approximately 20 miles from the Tribe's Eagle Nest Motel facility to the Tribal Complex , then the Casino and tribal auxiliary buildings (Sr. meal site; Clinic; PD offices; rodeo grounds, etc.) It is also likely that this is the same route that you had in mind. However, Fall City is another 20 miles West of Rulo, NE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rankin, Robert L" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: RE: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 That's great news, Jimm. Is there a bridge from MO to KS near there? The one I know about is up at Falls City, NE, which would make this the first tri-state Siouan Conference. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 5:15 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 14:46:35 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:46:35 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark: I anticipate relying on your experience this year at Lincoln as we draw closer to the time. I will need many pointers, and words of advise beginning January 2011, in order to put together the quality and smooth event that we all were so fortunate to experience in Lincoln. Jimm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Aho Jimm, That is good news for the 2011 SACC conference. Let me know if there is anything I can assist you with as you move forward in your planning. WibthahoN Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mary.marino at usask.ca Thu Sep 10 17:42:50 2009 From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Mary C Marino) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:42:50 -0600 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: <4A5B7832EC2E4EE6AD72512C345666B1@JGHP> Message-ID: This is indeed good news for the 2011 SACC. Are we still planning to have the 2010 conference in Chicago? Mary Jimm GoodTracks wrote: > Mark: I anticipate relying on your experience this year at Lincoln as > we draw closer to the time. I will need many pointers, and words of > advise beginning January 2011, in order to put together the quality > and smooth event that we all were so fortunate to experience in Lincoln. > Jimm > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mark J Awakuni-Swetland > > *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > *Sent:* Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 AM > *Subject:* Re: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 > > Aho Jimm, > That is good news for the 2011 SACC conference. Let me know if > there is anything I can assist you with as you move forward in > your planning. > WibthahoN > Uthixide > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > From jmcbride at kawnation.com Thu Sep 10 18:40:01 2009 From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (jmcbride at kawnation.com) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:40:01 -0400 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rory, I very much doubt it's related, but there is a Kaw personal name is^toppasabe, a male name of the Coon Clan (or ibac^he nikkas^iNga, 'lights the pipes people'), which Dorsey translates as "Black Stripe over the Eyes (refers to the hair on the forehead of a raccoon)." I might be wrong, but I assume that it's probably is^ta (eye) o- + ppa (on the nose/forehead?) sabe (black). Nevertheless, I'm often reminded of how the language of Siouan names doesn't always seem to line up 1:1 with the language of everyday communication (especially with respect to stress placement, word choice for items, etc.). So, I suppose it's possible that is^toppa could come to be seen as a single lexical unit modified by sabe, although there's no evidence that this occurred in Kaw. However, if the Omahas have a cognate name, and if a similar lexical process occurred, it is at least imaginable that is^tuppa could have been inducted into the lexicon at least for some speakers. I don't think that's what's happening here necessarily, but I guess it's a possibility. -Justin Quoting Rory M Larson : > I think we may have found it. Our speaker, who originally didn't > recognize the word, consulted with her sister and came up with the word > ishtuba, 'grandchild'. Then she checked with her brother, who corrected > her pronunciation to ishtuppa. At this point I looked up the word for > 'grandchild', and found ittushpa. So it looks like this is probably one > of those consonant cluster dyslexia things they do with a few words, like > bruga / gruba for 'all', and wabagreze / wabragase / wagrabase for 'paper' > or 'book'. I don't know how ancient or widespread this ittushpa / > ishtuba~ishtuppa doublet may be, but the fact that one speaker used it and > two others recognized it seems to give it some credibility. > > Rory > > > > > > "Rankin, Robert L" > Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > 09/09/2009 10:23 PM > Please respond to > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > > > To > > cc > > Subject > RE: SHTUBA inquiry > > > > > > > I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa. I take it that > it's not in the Dorsey files. Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me, > somehow rings a bell. I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a > phantasm of my aging brain. I certainly don't associate it with > 'brother'. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland > Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Subject: SHTUBA inquiry > > Aloha all, > > My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba' > as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'. > > We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL. > > Does anyone recognize the word? > > Thanks, > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland > > > From rankin at ku.edu Fri Sep 11 03:32:24 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:32:24 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: - > It is also likely that this is the same route that you had in mind. However, Fall City is another 20 miles West of Rulo, NE. Yeah, I was trying to remember "Rulo" and wrote Falls City (having driven there on the way to Lincoln). In any event, it probably won't be any farther to motels than Kaw City was to Ponca City. I'm looking forward to it, and I agree with Catherine that we should probably plan for that extra day of talks like this past Spring. Bob From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Sat Sep 19 00:01:45 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:01:45 -0500 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry In-Reply-To: <20090910144001.wzyswj980s8wsssk@www.kawnation.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, That's interesting, and I guess that is another way the term could have come about. I'm having a little trouble with the etymology of it though. I'm sure you're right that the first part is is^ta, 'eye', + o-, 'in'/'on'. But wouldn't the next element be a verb? Semantically, 'eye-on-nose' seems a little odd anyway. Is there anything else o-ppa could mean? I would expect something like 'masked', or 'colored', or 'surrounded'. Best, Rory > Rory, > > I very much doubt it's related, but there is a Kaw personal name > is^toppasabe, a male name of the Coon Clan (or ibac^he nikkas^iNga, > 'lights the pipes people'), which Dorsey translates as "Black Stripe > over the Eyes (refers to the hair on the forehead of a raccoon)." I > might be wrong, but I assume that it's probably is^ta (eye) o- + ppa > (on the nose/forehead?) sabe (black). Nevertheless, I'm often > reminded of how the language of Siouan names doesn't always seem to > line up 1:1 with the language of everyday communication (especially > with respect to stress placement, word choice for items, etc.). So, I > suppose it's possible that is^toppa could come to be seen as a single > lexical unit modified by sabe, although there's no evidence that this > occurred in Kaw. However, if the Omahas have a cognate name, and if a > similar lexical process occurred, it is at least imaginable that > is^tuppa could have been inducted into the lexicon at least for some > speakers. I don't think that's what's happening here necessarily, but > I guess it's a possibility. > > -Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Sep 24 18:27:23 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:27:23 -0500 Subject: Fw: regalia inquiry Message-ID: Aloha All, I received this inquiry regarding the Winnebago name for the silver "rings" sewn onto dresses, etc. Not being a Hochunk specialist, I thought I would forward it to the list. Thanks Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 ----- Forwarded by Mark J Awakuni-Swetland/UNLAS/UNL/UNEBR on 09/24/09 01:26 PM ----- "Suzanne Arney" 09/24/09 11:02 AM To "Mark J Awakuni-Swetland" cc Subject regalia Hello, Mark, I wrote you earlier about your beadwork. Now i'm wondering if you can identify something for me. Winnebagos use silver rings in their regalia, sewn on their dresses. When i ask, they just tell me they're silver rings. Do you know what that ring is called? Suzanne Arney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmaxwell at mt.net Thu Sep 24 19:52:05 2009 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:52:05 -0600 Subject: regalia inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Usually women and as much men. They are ring brooches. Ladies still use them and they can be bought many places. Used by Europeans to hold shank buttons in place. They are pinned into blouses all over the Eastern US. Just Google Ring Brooches. Billy Maxwell Now, does anyone know the Hochunk or other Siouan terms for ladies hair binders? On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:27pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: > Aloha All, > I received this inquiry regarding the Winnebago name for the silver > "rings" sewn onto dresses, etc. > Not being a Hochunk specialist, I thought I would forward it to the > list. > Thanks > Mark > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > ----- Forwarded by Mark J Awakuni-Swetland/UNLAS/UNL/UNEBR on > 09/24/09 01:26 PM ----- > "Suzanne Arney" > 09/24/09 11:02 AM > > To > "Mark J Awakuni-Swetland" > cc > Subject > regalia > > Hello, Mark, > > I wrote you earlier about your beadwork. Now i'm wondering if you > can identify something for me. Winnebagos use silver rings in > their regalia, sewn on their dresses. When i ask, they just tell > me they're silver rings. 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Attached please find the letter of support from the Ioway Tribe of Kansas & Nebraska. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jimm GoodTracks Date: 2009/9/29 Subject: Fwd: [iowaysonline] Fwd: Letter of Support [1 Attachment] To: Bryan James Gordon Cc: Bryan James Gordon Bryon: I'm working off a laptop here in Guatemala, and it just dont function like my desktop in white cloud. One difference, I cannot get all my contacts addresses. Would you forward this Letter of Support from the Tribe for the 2011 to the siouan lists. Muchas gracias para la pena. Jimm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jimm GoodTracks Date: Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM Subject: [iowaysonline] Fwd: Letter of Support [1 Attachment] To: iowaysonline at yahoogroups.com Cc: Patt Murphy [Attachment(s) <#1240802f707d309b_12407c439bb2904c_TopText> from Jimm GoodTracks included below] *Forwarded Conversation* Subject: *Letter of Support* ------------------------ *From: Kelli Cheek* To: jgoodtracks at gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:48 AM Jimm, This is Kelli Cheek and Nina wanted me to contact you Kelli Cheek Education Coordinator/Contract Clerk 3345 B Thrasher Rd. White Cloud, KS 66094 Phone 785-595-3258 Fax 785-595-6610 Email kcheek at iowas.org -------- *From: Jimm GoodTracks* To: Kelli Cheek < kcheek at iowas.org> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM Kelli, Thanks Kelly for assisting Nina to assist the group. Jimm [Quoted text hidden] -------- *From: Kelli Cheek* To: Jimm GoodTracks < jgoodtracks at gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM Attachments: Letter of Support.jpg Jimm - I attached the letter of support. Kelli Cheek Education Coordinator/Contract Clerk 3345 B Thrasher Rd. White Cloud, KS 66094 Phone 785-595-3258 Fax 785-595-6610 Email kcheek at iowas.org [Quoted text hidden] ------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -------- __._,_.___ Attachment(s) from Jimm GoodTracks 1 of 1 Photo(s) [image: Letter of Support.jpg] Letter of Support.jpg Messages in this topic ( 1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos| Links| Database| Polls| Members| Calendar [image: Yahoo! Groups] Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! 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I will bring the schedule of events from this past June, so as they will have an idea of the kind of topics of discussion. Also, it can be used as a frame of reference for discussion and questions for clarification. I will await to hear from you further. Jimm ----- Original Message ----- From: Nina R Merchant To: Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Meet with Executive Committee Good Morning Jimm, Spoke to the Executive Committee regarding the tribe hosting the language conference. And as always, I can never predict their response. Having mentioned it to them once I felt it could be counted as a sure thing. They are inviting you to attend our next meeting which will be Wednesday, September 9th, to explain the event in more detail. I couldn't because I myself am not sure of the activities. Will it be possible for you to stop in Wednesday? I won't know the time until closer to meeting time as it will depend on agenda items. I expressed to them that I would help in organizing so there would be little "sweat of the brow" needed from them. But I do think they would like to know what all will be involved. I think there questions are legitimate and you are the one I turn to for answers. I look forward to hearing from you soon on this. Have a good week end. Reviewed the cc to Patt. If you need help with FastLane, or anything else, let me know. I am always willing to help if I can. Nina R. Merchant Iowa Tribe of Kansas and Nebraska Executive Committee Treasurer Contract/Grant Administrator 3345 B Thrasher Road White Cloud, KS 66094 Telephone: (785) 595-3258 Fax: (785) 595-6610 email: grantad at iowas.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 12:21:12 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:21:12 -0500 Subject: 2011 Siouan Languages Conference Message-ID: For the past several years, the group has been meeting several days earlier or later of the main meeting which usually is a full day on Saturday and a half a day on Sunday. That has been the general format for a while. I have not heard if that will be the format for the 2010 SCLC, however, am I hearing that the purpose of these extra days, namely, the comparative Siouan Grammar study, is due for a final completion and printout of work results? Is that correct? IF so, then the original itinerary is: Friday night group fellowship Saturday full day of presentations & Saturday evening fellowship Sunday half day of presentation. This afternoon (1:00pm), I will meet with the Executive Committee for the Iowa Tribe of Kansas Nebraska in order to secure an invitation and letter of acceptance as the hosts for the 2011 Siouan Languages Conference site, which is located approximately four miles from White Cloud, KS and twenty miles from Hiawatha, KS and Falls City, NE. The area is quite similar to the setting of the Kaw (Kansa) Nation in Kaw City, Oklahoma where we all met about four years ago. The George Ogdon building adjoins the Tribal Administration Building. It is about 3X the size of the ample space afforded us by Mark and his team at Lincoln last year. The walls have a band of family photos, paintings, historic documents, etc. donated by individuals. The west side has glass cases, similar to those at Kaw Nation which have family artifacts, costumes, photos, and material culture of the Ioway of Kansas-Nebraska. There is a full kitchen with coffee urns, large serving window and whatever is necessary to cook for gatherings. The Tribal Casino is just a short ride South of the location. They provide noon and evening buffet meals ($8), which would be an easy meal site for Saturday noon during the conference. I will explore the possibility if they would be able to cater the same to the group as we meet in the Ogdon Building. Again, the area is much like the very rural setting of the Kaw Nation, which is typical for a good many tribal administrative centers, and which again, was similar to the areas of the Winnebago of Nebraska and the Omaha at Macey, NE for those who traveled through those areas on their way to Lincoln, and the Wichita Tribal complex at Anadarko, Oklahoma when the group met there some years ago. The Sauk and Fox Tribe of Missouri has their Administration Building, Museum and Quik Stop gas station at Reserve, about 15 miles West from the Iowa Tribe enterprise area. The Kickapoo Tribe of Kansas, their Casino, gas stop are located about 40 miles Southwest of the Iowa Tribe. The Prairie Band of Potawatomi, their Casino, gas stop are approximately 70 miles Southwest. It is likely that they may be having their June powwow during the conference, as it was going on as we met in Lincoln, and was visited by several of the tribal representative attendees on their way to and from Lincoln last year. The Iowa Tribe here has four very nice cedar cabins that can comfortably hold 3-4 persons each ($60/ night) and are situated next to the gas and food store, and a short half mile from the Casino buffet. Other Motels are available in Hiawatha and Falls City, and which no doubt, a conference block could be reserved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well ... we did say we would try to have volume I done in 2010, but the Comparative Siouan Grammar project will surely not be completed then (or maybe ever) -- there's definitely going to be plenty left to say about the grammar of Siouan languages for many years to come. Whether we want to keep having a workshop every year is an open question. I guess it's also a question whether the workshop (if we do continue it) should always be associated with the Siouan and Caddoan conference -- that's convenient for a lot of us, but could be a burden on the local organizer to be responsible for finding space etc. for an extra day or two of sessions. What do you all think? How to organize the 2011 meeting is really up to Jimm -- whoever volunteers to host gets to make those decisions. Catherine >>> Mark J Awakuni-Swetland 9/9/2009 9:59 AM >>> Aloha all, It is good to hear that Jimm is going after the 2011 SACC meeting. Do I recall correctly that recent conferences had two full days of session (Friday-Saturday) and a Sunday morning session? The 2009 Lincoln meeting was expanded one day (Thursday) to accommodate the CSG sessions. Regards, Mark Awakuni-Swetland From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 22:15:10 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:15:10 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Thu Sep 10 03:03:39 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:03:39 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: That's great news, Jimm. Is there a bridge from MO to KS near there? The one I know about is up at Falls City, NE, which would make this the first tri-state Siouan Conference. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 5:15 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. From rankin at ku.edu Thu Sep 10 03:17:33 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:17:33 -0500 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry Message-ID: I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa. I take it that it's not in the Dorsey files. Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me, somehow rings a bell. I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a phantasm of my aging brain. I certainly don't associate it with 'brother'. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SHTUBA inquiry Aloha all, My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba' as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'. We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL. Does anyone recognize the word? Thanks, Mark Awakuni-Swetland From carudin1 at wsc.edu Thu Sep 10 03:30:26 2009 From: carudin1 at wsc.edu (Catherine Rudin) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:30:26 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: Sounds wonderful. I like the sound of those cedar cabins! Catherine >>> "Rankin, Robert L" 09/09/09 10:14 PM >>> That's great news, Jimm. Is there a bridge from MO to KS near there? The one I know about is up at Falls City, NE, which would make this the first tri-state Siouan Conference. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 5:15 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Sep 10 13:44:52 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:44:52 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: <05602A78A2224600BFA2CD117AA99411@JGHP> Message-ID: Aho Jimm, That is good news for the 2011 SACC conference. Let me know if there is anything I can assist you with as you move forward in your planning. WibthahoN Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Sep 10 14:13:09 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:13:09 -0500 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry In-Reply-To: <94AEF443BC155B408F63B70FAD80787B5F5881@MAILBOX-31.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: I think we may have found it. Our speaker, who originally didn't recognize the word, consulted with her sister and came up with the word ishtuba, 'grandchild'. Then she checked with her brother, who corrected her pronunciation to ishtuppa. At this point I looked up the word for 'grandchild', and found ittushpa. So it looks like this is probably one of those consonant cluster dyslexia things they do with a few words, like bruga / gruba for 'all', and wabagreze / wabragase / wagrabase for 'paper' or 'book'. I don't know how ancient or widespread this ittushpa / ishtuba~ishtuppa doublet may be, but the fact that one speaker used it and two others recognized it seems to give it some credibility. Rory "Rankin, Robert L" Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU 09/09/2009 10:23 PM Please respond to siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU To cc Subject RE: SHTUBA inquiry I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa. I take it that it's not in the Dorsey files. Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me, somehow rings a bell. I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a phantasm of my aging brain. I certainly don't associate it with 'brother'. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: SHTUBA inquiry Aloha all, My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba' as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'. We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL. Does anyone recognize the word? Thanks, Mark Awakuni-Swetland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2867 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 14:43:37 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:43:37 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: <94AEF443BC155B408F63B70FAD80787B5F5880@MAILBOX-31.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: Yes, Bob! It is not necessary to go that far West to connect to tribal complex. The Eagle Nest Motel (behind the Squaw Creek Truck Stop and Restaurant) is on I-29 (in Missouri State). On I-29, take exit Rulo (Nebraska) Exit 79 (5 miles south of Mound City) then #159 west, across the Missouri River bridge into to Rulo Nebraska. Taking #7 south until you see the sun sign of Casino White Cloud. The Iowa Tribal complex is before you actually arrive at the Casino. Approximately 20 miles from the Tribe's Eagle Nest Motel facility to the Tribal Complex , then the Casino and tribal auxiliary buildings (Sr. meal site; Clinic; PD offices; rodeo grounds, etc.) It is also likely that this is the same route that you had in mind. However, Fall City is another 20 miles West of Rulo, NE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rankin, Robert L" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: RE: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 That's great news, Jimm. Is there a bridge from MO to KS near there? The one I know about is up at Falls City, NE, which would make this the first tri-state Siouan Conference. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Jimm GoodTracks Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 5:15 PM To: siouan at lists.colorado.ed Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In a unanimous vote of the Iowa (Kansas & Nebraska) Tribal Executive Committee this afternoon, have approved to host the 2011 Siouan Conference at the tribal complex including the use of the Ogdon Building. In addition to 4 near-by cedar cabins that are available, the Committee offer a block of their 20 room Motel and Meeting Center at their Squaw Creek Truck Stop & Motel location on Hywy # near Mound City, MO. Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner Meals are served daily. It is about 20 miles East of White Cloud, KS. A letter of confirmation will be forthcoming. Preliminary information and general perusal can be found at the tribal web site: www.casinowhitecloud.org Stay tune for forthcoming details in the next twenty (20) as per the group's direction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 14:46:35 2009 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:46:35 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark: I anticipate relying on your experience this year at Lincoln as we draw closer to the time. I will need many pointers, and words of advise beginning January 2011, in order to put together the quality and smooth event that we all were so fortunate to experience in Lincoln. Jimm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark J Awakuni-Swetland To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Aho Jimm, That is good news for the 2011 SACC conference. Let me know if there is anything I can assist you with as you move forward in your planning. WibthahoN Uthixide Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mary.marino at usask.ca Thu Sep 10 17:42:50 2009 From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Mary C Marino) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:42:50 -0600 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 In-Reply-To: <4A5B7832EC2E4EE6AD72512C345666B1@JGHP> Message-ID: This is indeed good news for the 2011 SACC. Are we still planning to have the 2010 conference in Chicago? Mary Jimm GoodTracks wrote: > Mark: I anticipate relying on your experience this year at Lincoln as > we draw closer to the time. I will need many pointers, and words of > advise beginning January 2011, in order to put together the quality > and smooth event that we all were so fortunate to experience in Lincoln. > Jimm > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mark J Awakuni-Swetland > > *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > *Sent:* Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 AM > *Subject:* Re: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 > > Aho Jimm, > That is good news for the 2011 SACC conference. Let me know if > there is anything I can assist you with as you move forward in > your planning. > WibthahoN > Uthixide > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > From jmcbride at kawnation.com Thu Sep 10 18:40:01 2009 From: jmcbride at kawnation.com (jmcbride at kawnation.com) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:40:01 -0400 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rory, I very much doubt it's related, but there is a Kaw personal name is^toppasabe, a male name of the Coon Clan (or ibac^he nikkas^iNga, 'lights the pipes people'), which Dorsey translates as "Black Stripe over the Eyes (refers to the hair on the forehead of a raccoon)." I might be wrong, but I assume that it's probably is^ta (eye) o- + ppa (on the nose/forehead?) sabe (black). Nevertheless, I'm often reminded of how the language of Siouan names doesn't always seem to line up 1:1 with the language of everyday communication (especially with respect to stress placement, word choice for items, etc.). So, I suppose it's possible that is^toppa could come to be seen as a single lexical unit modified by sabe, although there's no evidence that this occurred in Kaw. However, if the Omahas have a cognate name, and if a similar lexical process occurred, it is at least imaginable that is^tuppa could have been inducted into the lexicon at least for some speakers. I don't think that's what's happening here necessarily, but I guess it's a possibility. -Justin Quoting Rory M Larson : > I think we may have found it. Our speaker, who originally didn't > recognize the word, consulted with her sister and came up with the word > ishtuba, 'grandchild'. Then she checked with her brother, who corrected > her pronunciation to ishtuppa. At this point I looked up the word for > 'grandchild', and found ittushpa. So it looks like this is probably one > of those consonant cluster dyslexia things they do with a few words, like > bruga / gruba for 'all', and wabagreze / wabragase / wagrabase for 'paper' > or 'book'. I don't know how ancient or widespread this ittushpa / > ishtuba~ishtuppa doublet may be, but the fact that one speaker used it and > two others recognized it seems to give it some credibility. > > Rory > > > > > > "Rankin, Robert L" > Sent by: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > 09/09/2009 10:23 PM > Please respond to > siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > > > To > > cc > > Subject > RE: SHTUBA inquiry > > > > > > > I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa. I take it that > it's not in the Dorsey files. Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me, > somehow rings a bell. I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a > phantasm of my aging brain. I certainly don't associate it with > 'brother'. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland > Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Subject: SHTUBA inquiry > > Aloha all, > > My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba' > as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'. > > We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL. > > Does anyone recognize the word? > > Thanks, > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland > > > From rankin at ku.edu Fri Sep 11 03:32:24 2009 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:32:24 -0500 Subject: SIOUAN CONFERENCE 2011 Message-ID: - > It is also likely that this is the same route that you had in mind. However, Fall City is another 20 miles West of Rulo, NE. Yeah, I was trying to remember "Rulo" and wrote Falls City (having driven there on the way to Lincoln). In any event, it probably won't be any farther to motels than Kaw City was to Ponca City. I'm looking forward to it, and I agree with Catherine that we should probably plan for that extra day of talks like this past Spring. Bob From rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu Sat Sep 19 00:01:45 2009 From: rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu (Rory M Larson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:01:45 -0500 Subject: SHTUBA inquiry In-Reply-To: <20090910144001.wzyswj980s8wsssk@www.kawnation.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, That's interesting, and I guess that is another way the term could have come about. I'm having a little trouble with the etymology of it though. I'm sure you're right that the first part is is^ta, 'eye', + o-, 'in'/'on'. But wouldn't the next element be a verb? Semantically, 'eye-on-nose' seems a little odd anyway. Is there anything else o-ppa could mean? I would expect something like 'masked', or 'colored', or 'surrounded'. Best, Rory > Rory, > > I very much doubt it's related, but there is a Kaw personal name > is^toppasabe, a male name of the Coon Clan (or ibac^he nikkas^iNga, > 'lights the pipes people'), which Dorsey translates as "Black Stripe > over the Eyes (refers to the hair on the forehead of a raccoon)." I > might be wrong, but I assume that it's probably is^ta (eye) o- + ppa > (on the nose/forehead?) sabe (black). Nevertheless, I'm often > reminded of how the language of Siouan names doesn't always seem to > line up 1:1 with the language of everyday communication (especially > with respect to stress placement, word choice for items, etc.). So, I > suppose it's possible that is^toppa could come to be seen as a single > lexical unit modified by sabe, although there's no evidence that this > occurred in Kaw. However, if the Omahas have a cognate name, and if a > similar lexical process occurred, it is at least imaginable that > is^tuppa could have been inducted into the lexicon at least for some > speakers. I don't think that's what's happening here necessarily, but > I guess it's a possibility. > > -Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Thu Sep 24 18:27:23 2009 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:27:23 -0500 Subject: Fw: regalia inquiry Message-ID: Aloha All, I received this inquiry regarding the Winnebago name for the silver "rings" sewn onto dresses, etc. Not being a Hochunk specialist, I thought I would forward it to the list. Thanks Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 ----- Forwarded by Mark J Awakuni-Swetland/UNLAS/UNL/UNEBR on 09/24/09 01:26 PM ----- "Suzanne Arney" 09/24/09 11:02 AM To "Mark J Awakuni-Swetland" cc Subject regalia Hello, Mark, I wrote you earlier about your beadwork. Now i'm wondering if you can identify something for me. Winnebagos use silver rings in their regalia, sewn on their dresses. When i ask, they just tell me they're silver rings. Do you know what that ring is called? Suzanne Arney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmaxwell at mt.net Thu Sep 24 19:52:05 2009 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:52:05 -0600 Subject: regalia inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Usually women and as much men. They are ring brooches. Ladies still use them and they can be bought many places. Used by Europeans to hold shank buttons in place. They are pinned into blouses all over the Eastern US. Just Google Ring Brooches. Billy Maxwell Now, does anyone know the Hochunk or other Siouan terms for ladies hair binders? On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:27pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: > Aloha All, > I received this inquiry regarding the Winnebago name for the silver > "rings" sewn onto dresses, etc. > Not being a Hochunk specialist, I thought I would forward it to the > list. > Thanks > Mark > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > ----- Forwarded by Mark J Awakuni-Swetland/UNLAS/UNL/UNEBR on > 09/24/09 01:26 PM ----- > "Suzanne Arney" > 09/24/09 11:02 AM > > To > "Mark J Awakuni-Swetland" > cc > Subject > regalia > > Hello, Mark, > > I wrote you earlier about your beadwork. Now i'm wondering if you > can identify something for me. Winnebagos use silver rings in > their regalia, sewn on their dresses. When i ask, they just tell > me they're silver rings. Do you know what that ring is called? > > Suzanne Arney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmaxwell at mt.net Thu Sep 24 20:07:49 2009 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:07:49 -0600 Subject: regalia inquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here is one of many places to buy them: http://www.crazycrow.com/mm5/merchant.mvc? Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=530-175-000 From linguista at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 01:17:42 2009 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:17:42 -0700 Subject: Fwd: [iowaysonline] Fwd: Letter of Support [1 Attachment] In-Reply-To: <32a4eaa00909291554q675456f8ucaa3f8d177e7b092@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Done, Jimm. Attached please find the letter of support from the Ioway Tribe of Kansas & Nebraska. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jimm GoodTracks Date: 2009/9/29 Subject: Fwd: [iowaysonline] Fwd: Letter of Support [1 Attachment] To: Bryan James Gordon Cc: Bryan James Gordon Bryon: I'm working off a laptop here in Guatemala, and it just dont function like my desktop in white cloud. One difference, I cannot get all my contacts addresses. Would you forward this Letter of Support from the Tribe for the 2011 to the siouan lists. Muchas gracias para la pena. Jimm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jimm GoodTracks Date: Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM Subject: [iowaysonline] Fwd: Letter of Support [1 Attachment] To: iowaysonline at yahoogroups.com Cc: Patt Murphy [Attachment(s) <#1240802f707d309b_12407c439bb2904c_TopText> from Jimm GoodTracks included below] *Forwarded Conversation* Subject: *Letter of Support* ------------------------ *From: Kelli Cheek* To: jgoodtracks at gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:48 AM Jimm, This is Kelli Cheek and Nina wanted me to contact you Kelli Cheek Education Coordinator/Contract Clerk 3345 B Thrasher Rd. White Cloud, KS 66094 Phone 785-595-3258 Fax 785-595-6610 Email kcheek at iowas.org -------- *From: Jimm GoodTracks* To: Kelli Cheek < kcheek at iowas.org> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM Kelli, Thanks Kelly for assisting Nina to assist the group. Jimm [Quoted text hidden] -------- *From: Kelli Cheek* To: Jimm GoodTracks < jgoodtracks at gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM Attachments: Letter of Support.jpg Jimm - I attached the letter of support. Kelli Cheek Education Coordinator/Contract Clerk 3345 B Thrasher Rd. White Cloud, KS 66094 Phone 785-595-3258 Fax 785-595-6610 Email kcheek at iowas.org [Quoted text hidden] ------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 -------- __._,_.___ Attachment(s) from Jimm GoodTracks 1 of 1 Photo(s) [image: Letter of Support.jpg] Letter of Support.jpg Messages in this topic ( 1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos| Links| Database| Polls| Members| Calendar [image: Yahoo! Groups] Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! 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