From saponi360 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 15:24:50 2010 From: saponi360 at yahoo.com (Scott Collins) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:24:50 -0800 Subject: Saponi Words Message-ID: I'm trying to say...mixed people   Is it...yesa ho: oho: ?      ...oho: yesa ho:      ...oho: ho: yesa   yesa = people oho: = many ho: = mix   Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu Tue Jan 5 20:25:29 2010 From: mawakuni-swetland2 at unlnotes.unl.edu (Mark J Awakuni-Swetland) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:25:29 -0600 Subject: James Owen Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid Message-ID: Aloha all, My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid into a PDF. I hope you will find this useful. Best Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: JODaidnew.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 197431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bmaxwell at mt.net Mon Jan 11 19:19:52 2010 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:19:52 -0700 Subject: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Mark! Where does one go to find the PDF? Did you use a grant or slave labor? I have been trying to scan five microfilm over the years and thought it would be best to wait for faster tech.. When is the next Siouan Conference? I am host two material culture conferences this year if anyone is interested: 22APR10 Marriot Courtyard, Omaha, Neb. 16SEP10 Red Lion, Lewiston, ID I have asked this question before, Tim McLeary is doing work on Crow. Is anyone working on Hidatsa? Find out more: mcppp.org Billy Maxwell On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:25pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: > Aloha all, > My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid > into a PDF. > I hope you will find this useful. > Best > Mark > > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am host two material culture conferences this year if anyone is interested: 22APR10 Marriot Courtyard, Omaha, Neb. 16SEP10 Red Lion, Lewiston, ID I have asked this question before, Tim McLeary is doing work on Crow. Is anyone working on Hidatsa? Find out more: mcppp.org Billy Maxwell On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:25pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: Aloha all, My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid into a PDF. I hope you will find this useful. Best Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linguista at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 20:50:25 2010 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:50:25 -0700 Subject: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One more Hidatsa student has come to my attention: I got to hear Indrek Park talk about Hidatsa pitch accent at the LSA conference last weekend. His talk was interesting. Even though Hidatsa has pitch accent only, while Omaha and Ponca (and the rest of the Mississippi Valley languages too?) have stress, there seem to be many features in common between their systems. I wish Rory could have been there! (The only difference, as far as I can tell, between a "stress" language and a "mere pitch accent" language is whether accent lengthens syllables, which it apparently does not do in Hidatsa if Indrek Park is correct, but certainly does in Omaha & Ponca.) 2010/1/11 Jimm GoodTracks > Good questions. I would interested only in the Chiwere portions. My > microfilm has deteriorated. > Haven't heard dates on the Conference set for Chicago. John Boyd, who is > the only known person to me to work on Hidatsa, is hosting the conference at > Univ of Chicago. > > Can you supply information or a link on the conferences that you are > hosting? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Billy Maxwell > *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid > > Thank you Mark! > Where does one go to find the PDF? > Did you use a grant or slave labor? > I have been trying to scan five microfilm over the years > and thought it would be best to wait for faster tech.. > > When is the next Siouan Conference? > I am host two material culture conferences this year if anyone is > interested: > 22APR10 Marriot Courtyard, Omaha, Neb. > 16SEP10 Red Lion, Lewiston, ID > > I have asked this question before, Tim McLeary is doing work on Crow. > Is anyone working on Hidatsa? > > Find out more: mcppp.org > Billy Maxwell > > On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:25pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: > > Aloha all, > My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid into a PDF. > I hope you will find this useful. > Best > Mark > > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > > > -- *********************************************************** Bryan James Gordon, MA Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology University of Arizona *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 12:14:45 2010 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:14:45 -0600 Subject: Fw: Request for linguistic help Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Ising" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Request for linguistic help Dear Sir, my name is Markus Ising and I am a researcher in Romance linguistics at the University of Tübingen, Germany. You find further information on me and my work under the following link (for an English version of my current work, please click on the subsequent link "Homepage"): http://www.romanistik.uni-tuebingen.de/?q=user/55 I am currently working on an article on lexical typology, which is to appear in a secret festschrift on the occasion of the sixtieth birthday of my PhD supervisor Professor Peter Koch. His name (germ. Koch 'the cook') gave me the idea to examine the words for THE COOK and TO COOK within the broadest possible scope. This includes indigenous languages as well as those of minorities or endangered languages of the world. Originally, I meant to work with data from dictionaries alone, but I had to find that only very few are available in Tübingen. In addition, many of the current online dictionaries do not provide the analytic annotations I need. In order to finish writing the article until the deadline late in March 2010, I therefore depend also on language information by experts and native speakers. Since you work with rather exclusive languages - from a (Indo-)European perspective - resp. know these languages, I would ask you for your support by answering the few questions you find attached. Please let me know whether I may quote you and the examples provided by you in my text. It would also be most helpful if you could forward this request to colleagues of yours who might contribute information on non-Indo-European languages, or if you could send me their contact details. 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I'm sure it is a huge leap to make an assumption like this, but I am curious if these words have a connected use, origin, or meaning.   One other interesting observation that I made while reading was as follows:     “American Folk Medicine” by Wayland Debs Hand Page 132 (See Note 40 as source) “Pumpkin was the “maycock” of the Virginia Algonquians…” Note 40 Peter Kalm, Peter Kalm’s Travels in North America, 2 vols. (New York: Wilson-Erickson Inc., 1937), Il, 517.     What I am wondering about this entry is whether the "maycock" that is mentioned here as it relates to pumpkins may have anything whatsoever to do with the other name the Manahoac were known by and that is Mahock?   I come by this line of speculation because in my research on the name Saponi I came across the reference to the Algonquin word Supawn or Sa-pon for boiled Indian meal and translates into "softened by water". Tracking down corruptions in trade jargon and Native American pigin language leads me to these speculations on trying to tie in local names of tribes or towns to trade partners. I may be completly off on this line of thought, but wanted to present it to to see if anyone had any feedback or insights.    Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mithun at linguistics.ucsb.edu Sat Jan 16 20:20:22 2010 From: mithun at linguistics.ucsb.edu (Marianne Mithun) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:22 -0800 Subject: Question About A Word In-Reply-To: <822209.13936.qm@web83506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Scott, It's unlikely that they have much in common. Tionontati is a completely transparent Iroquoian name: T-io-nont-(a)-ti CISLOCATIVE-NEUTER-mountain-(linker)-be.on.the.other.side.of '(it) is beyond the mountain(s)' This verb root is the same as that in Schenectady, but there the incorporated noun is -hneht- 'pine'. Hard to say exactly what your second name is. There are various possibilities, but if it is Iroquoian, the key parts, the roots, are different. Marianne Mithun --On Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:13 PM -0800 Scott Collins wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone may be able to help me find out if the > following names may have anything at all in common, Tionontati and > Tegninateo. > > Tionontati is the name of the Tobacco Tribe that was a part of the Huron > and Erie alliance. > Tegninateo was the name of a village of the Manahoac in the Culpepper > County, VA area. > > I understand that the Huron and Erie were Iroquoian speakers and that the > Manahoac were Siouan speakers. I am wondering if there could be any > possible way that the words may a similar origin or if they may be > connected in any way. > > It is my understanding that the Huron and Erie had a trade relationship > with the Monacan, Saponi/Tutelo and Manahoac via the town of Monton on or > near the Kanawa River in present day West Virginia. I'm sure it is a huge > leap to make an assumption like this, but I am curious if these words > have a connected use, origin, or meaning. > > One other interesting observation that I made while reading was as > follows: > > > > ?American Folk Medicine? by Wayland Debs Hand > > Page 132 (See Note 40 as source) > > ?Pumpkin was the ?maycock? of the Virginia Algonquians?? > > Note 40 > > Peter Kalm, Peter Kalm?s Travels in North America, 2 vols. (New York: > Wilson-Erickson Inc., 1937), Il, 517. > > > > What I am wondering about this entry is whether the "maycock" that is > mentioned here as it relates to pumpkins may have anything whatsoever to > do with the other name the Manahoac were known by and that is Mahock? > > I come by this line of speculation because in my research on the name > Saponi I came across the reference to the Algonquin word Supawn or Sa-pon > for boiled Indian meal and translates into "softened by water". Tracking > down corruptions in trade jargon and Native American pigin language leads > me to these speculations on trying to tie in local names of tribes or > towns to trade partners. I may be completly off on this line of thought, > but wanted to present it to to see if anyone had any feedback or > insights. > > > > Scott P. Collins > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR > > Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle > > ?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.? From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 20:28:48 2010 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:28:48 -0800 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine In-Reply-To: <803573.55776.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body (or meat), not tixi.  Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data.  I actually wondered if the -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' Dave --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins wrote: From: Scott Collins Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your opinion about this follow set for the word.     ya- = progressive aspect pi: = good te:si: = body   Together it is ya-te:si:pi or it could be ya-te:si:ipi:   Is this correct?   Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linguista at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 02:51:49 2010 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:51:49 -0700 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine In-Reply-To: <743621.23673.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the word for "medicine" has the "mysterious/sacred" morpheme in most Siouan languages, so yes you're probably right Dave! 2010/1/16 David Kaufman > Scott, > > Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I > assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body > (or meat), not tixi. Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall > seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data. I actually wondered if the > -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' > > Dave > > --- On *Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins * wrote: > > > From: Scott Collins > Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM > > > I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your > opinion about this follow set for the word. > > > ya- = progressive aspect > pi: = good > te:si: = body > > Together it is ya-te:si:pi > or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: > > Is this correct? > > > > Scott P. Collins > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR > > Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle > > “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.” > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Sun Jan 17 03:03:47 2010 From: rankin at ku.edu (rankin at ku.edu) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:03:47 +0000 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is "moka". Medicine has nazalized vowels. I would phonemicize it as [maNkaN]. Sacred has an oral 1st syll. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bryan James Gordon Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:51:49 To: Subject: Re: Saponi Word For Medicine I think the word for "medicine" has the "mysterious/sacred" morpheme in most Siouan languages, so yes you're probably right Dave! 2010/1/16 David Kaufman > Scott, > > Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I > assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body > (or meat), not tixi. Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall > seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data. I actually wondered if the > -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' > > Dave > > --- On *Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins * wrote: > > > From: Scott Collins > Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM > > > I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your > opinion about this follow set for the word. > > > ya- = progressive aspect > pi: = good > te:si: = body > > Together it is ya-te:si:pi > or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: > > Is this correct? > > > > Scott P. Collins > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR > > Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle > > “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.” > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Sun Jan 17 05:27:18 2010 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:27:18 -0600 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine Message-ID: I think I discussed the relationship among the terms for 'sacred', 'god', 'medicine' and 'snake' in that paper I coauthored with Giulia Oliverio in the Frank Siebert Festschrift. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sat 1/16/2010 2:28 PM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: Re: Saponi Word For Medicine Scott, Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body (or meat), not tixi.  Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data.  I actually wondered if the -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' Dave --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins wrote: From: Scott Collins Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your opinion about this follow set for the word.     ya- = progressive aspect pi: = good te:si: = body   Together it is ya-te:si:pi or it could be ya-te:si:ipi:   Is this correct?   Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle "Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose." From bmaxwell at mt.net Wed Jan 27 18:34:40 2010 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:34:40 -0700 Subject: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf Message-ID: "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your registration form. "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. Features: Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," more to come... >  > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 525415 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," more to come... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your registration form. "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. Features: Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," more to come... >  > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mary.marino at usask.ca Wed Jan 27 22:48:08 2010 From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Mary C Marino) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:48:08 -0600 Subject: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf In-Reply-To: <7CD93E1B86F64160958EE127FA2E5B15@JGHP> Message-ID: Good question. Mary Jimm GoodTracks wrote: > What kind of conference is this? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Billy Maxwell > *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > ; PlainsIndianSeminartwo at yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:34 PM > *Subject:* MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf > > "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your > registration form. > "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. > "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. > "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. > > > Features: > Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an > afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. > Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or > gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. > > Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike > "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", > Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian > Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," > more to come... > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your registration > form. > "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. > "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. > "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. > > > Features: > Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an > afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. > Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or > gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. > > Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike > "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", > Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian > Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," > more to come... > > > >  > > > From bmaxwell at mt.net Wed Jan 27 23:26:22 2010 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:26:22 -0700 Subject: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf In-Reply-To: <4B60C2A8.1060003@usask.ca> Message-ID: Look on the registration form, the title is the Material Culture of the Prairie, Plains, & Plateau. We have been online and held conferences since 2001. We are the research refugees from the Plains Conference that the Buffalo Bill Historical Society hosted in Cody, Wyoming for many years. In have enjoyed the Siouan list over the years and have included you since Siouan covers 2/3 of the culture areas we address directly. There have been a few material culture questions that have floated accross, so I thought some of you may be interested. Tom Leonard has been a contributor over the years. We try to include language as a part of getting the whole picture at understanding Indian life as was and is. Our Conferences have been in Great Falls, MT, Bozeman, MT, Rapid City, S. D., Lewiston, ID, Ok City, Helena and now Omaha. We will have another conference in Lewiston host by Bob Chenowith. This is his second hosting. Past presenters include: Bill Holm, Steve Grafe, Bill Mercer, Allen Chronister, Paul Razcka, Nancy Fonicello, Norman Bowers (Hidatsa Language Analysis since the 1930's!), Bud Lake, the late Collin Taylor, Louie Garcia, Carolyn Gilman, Scott Kessen, the late Jack Smith, Scott Thompson, Matt Reed, Jim Johnston, Rich Edwards, the late Gary Johnson, the late Ron Wrona, Patrick Leary, Bob Chenowith, and many more... Go to mcppp.org if you would like to see what we are like. We meet everyday and night online at yahoo groups. We have 700 members internationally who are very cheap and well quiet shallow or material. Billy Maxwell, Conference Czar On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:48pm, Mary C Marino wrote: > Good question. > > Mary > > > Jimm GoodTracks wrote: >> What kind of conference is this? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Billy Maxwell >> *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU >> >> ; PlainsIndianSeminartwo at yahoogroups.com >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:34 PM >> *Subject:* MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf >> >> "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your >> registration form. >> "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. >> "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. >> "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. >> >> >> Features: >> Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an >> afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. >> Option for folks to share what they learned, express >> questions, or >> gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. >> >> Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike >> "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", >> Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee >> Indian >> Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," >> more to come... >> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your >> registration form. >> "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. >> "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. >> "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. >> >> >> Features: >> Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with >> an afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. >> Option for folks to share what they learned, express >> questions, or gather in the evenings to do more than just buy >> stuff. >> >> Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth >> DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", >> Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee >> Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," >> more to come... >> >> > >> >> > >> > From saponi360 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 5 15:24:50 2010 From: saponi360 at yahoo.com (Scott Collins) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:24:50 -0800 Subject: Saponi Words Message-ID: I'm trying to say...mixed people ? Is it...yesa ho: oho: ? ???? ...oho: yesa ho: ???? ...oho: ho: yesa ? yesa = people oho: = many ho: = mix ? Scott P. 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Find out more: mcppp.org Billy Maxwell On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:25pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: > Aloha all, > My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid > into a PDF. > I hope you will find this useful. > Best > Mark > > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 22:41:12 2010 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:41:12 -0600 Subject: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good questions. I would interested only in the Chiwere portions. My microfilm has deteriorated. Haven't heard dates on the Conference set for Chicago. John Boyd, who is the only known person to me to work on Hidatsa, is hosting the conference at Univ of Chicago. Can you supply information or a link on the conferences that you are hosting? ----- Original Message ----- From: Billy Maxwell To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid Thank you Mark! Where does one go to find the PDF? Did you use a grant or slave labor? I have been trying to scan five microfilm over the years and thought it would be best to wait for faster tech.. When is the next Siouan Conference? I am host two material culture conferences this year if anyone is interested: 22APR10 Marriot Courtyard, Omaha, Neb. 16SEP10 Red Lion, Lewiston, ID I have asked this question before, Tim McLeary is doing work on Crow. Is anyone working on Hidatsa? Find out more: mcppp.org Billy Maxwell On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:25pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: Aloha all, My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid into a PDF. I hope you will find this useful. Best Mark Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 http://omahalanguage.unl.edu Phone 402-472-3455 FAX: 402-472-9642 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linguista at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 20:50:25 2010 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:50:25 -0700 Subject: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One more Hidatsa student has come to my attention: I got to hear Indrek Park talk about Hidatsa pitch accent at the LSA conference last weekend. His talk was interesting. Even though Hidatsa has pitch accent only, while Omaha and Ponca (and the rest of the Mississippi Valley languages too?) have stress, there seem to be many features in common between their systems. I wish Rory could have been there! (The only difference, as far as I can tell, between a "stress" language and a "mere pitch accent" language is whether accent lengthens syllables, which it apparently does not do in Hidatsa if Indrek Park is correct, but certainly does in Omaha & Ponca.) 2010/1/11 Jimm GoodTracks > Good questions. I would interested only in the Chiwere portions. My > microfilm has deteriorated. > Haven't heard dates on the Conference set for Chicago. John Boyd, who is > the only known person to me to work on Hidatsa, is hosting the conference at > Univ of Chicago. > > Can you supply information or a link on the conferences that you are > hosting? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Billy Maxwell > *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2010 1:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: Dorsey 8 reel microfilm finding aid > > Thank you Mark! > Where does one go to find the PDF? > Did you use a grant or slave labor? > I have been trying to scan five microfilm over the years > and thought it would be best to wait for faster tech.. > > When is the next Siouan Conference? > I am host two material culture conferences this year if anyone is > interested: > 22APR10 Marriot Courtyard, Omaha, Neb. > 16SEP10 Red Lion, Lewiston, ID > > I have asked this question before, Tim McLeary is doing work on Crow. > Is anyone working on Hidatsa? > > Find out more: mcppp.org > Billy Maxwell > > On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:25pm, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote: > > Aloha all, > My department's student worker just scanned the JOD finding aid into a PDF. > I hope you will find this useful. > Best > Mark > > > > Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies) > University of Nebraska > Lincoln, NE 68588-0368 > > http://omahalanguage.unl.edu > Phone 402-472-3455 > FAX: 402-472-9642 > > > -- *********************************************************** Bryan James Gordon, MA Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology University of Arizona *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgoodtracks at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 12:14:45 2010 From: jgoodtracks at gmail.com (Jimm GoodTracks) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:14:45 -0600 Subject: Fw: Request for linguistic help Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Ising" To: Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Request for linguistic help Dear Sir, my name is Markus Ising and I am a researcher in Romance linguistics at the University of T?bingen, Germany. You find further information on me and my work under the following link (for an English version of my current work, please click on the subsequent link "Homepage"): http://www.romanistik.uni-tuebingen.de/?q=user/55 I am currently working on an article on lexical typology, which is to appear in a secret festschrift on the occasion of the sixtieth birthday of my PhD supervisor Professor Peter Koch. His name (germ. Koch 'the cook') gave me the idea to examine the words for THE COOK and TO COOK within the broadest possible scope. This includes indigenous languages as well as those of minorities or endangered languages of the world. Originally, I meant to work with data from dictionaries alone, but I had to find that only very few are available in T?bingen. In addition, many of the current online dictionaries do not provide the analytic annotations I need. In order to finish writing the article until the deadline late in March 2010, I therefore depend also on language information by experts and native speakers. Since you work with rather exclusive languages - from a (Indo-)European perspective - resp. know these languages, I would ask you for your support by answering the few questions you find attached. Please let me know whether I may quote you and the examples provided by you in my text. It would also be most helpful if you could forward this request to colleagues of yours who might contribute information on non-Indo-European languages, or if you could send me their contact details. I am aware that my request means additional work; I apologize for that in advance. You will of course receive a copy of the article to recompense you for your troubles. Many thanks in advance for your help. You can reach me anytime for further information via this email address or by telephone (office: +49 7071 / 2974297; home: +49 7071 / 8690110). Best wishes from T?bingen, Markus Ising -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Questionnaire 1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 75907 bytes Desc: not available URL: From saponi360 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 19:02:16 2010 From: saponi360 at yahoo.com (Scott Collins) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:02:16 -0800 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine Message-ID: I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your opinion about this follow set for the word. ? ? ya- = progressive aspect pi: = good te:si: = body ? Together it is ya-te:si:pi or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: ? Is this correct? ? Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle ?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saponi360 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 20:13:27 2010 From: saponi360 at yahoo.com (Scott Collins) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:13:27 -0800 Subject: Question About A Word Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone may be able to help me find out if the following names may have anything at all in common, Tionontati and Tegninateo. ? Tionontati is the name of the Tobacco Tribe that was a part of the Huron and Erie alliance. Tegninateo was the name of a village of the Manahoac in the Culpepper County, VA area. ? I understand that the Huron and Erie were Iroquoian speakers and that the Manahoac were Siouan speakers. I am wondering if there could be any possible way that the words may?a similar origin or if they may be connected?in any way. ? It is my understanding that the Huron and Erie had a trade relationship with the Monacan, Saponi/Tutelo?and Manahoac?via the town of Monton on or near the Kanawa River in?present day West Virginia. I'm sure it is a huge leap to?make an assumption like this, but I am curious if these words have a connected?use, origin, or meaning. ? One other interesting observation that I made while reading was as follows: ? ? ?American Folk Medicine? by Wayland Debs Hand Page 132 (See Note 40 as source) ?Pumpkin was the ?maycock? of the Virginia Algonquians?? Note 40 Peter Kalm, Peter Kalm?s Travels in North America, 2 vols. (New York: Wilson-Erickson Inc., 1937), Il, 517. ? ? What I am wondering about this entry is whether the "maycock" that is mentioned here as it relates to pumpkins may have anything whatsoever to do with the other name the Manahoac were known by and that is Mahock? ? I come by this line of speculation because in my research on the name Saponi I came across the reference to the Algonquin word Supawn or Sa-pon for boiled Indian meal and translates into "softened by water". Tracking down corruptions in trade jargon and Native American pigin language leads me to these speculations on trying to tie in local names of tribes or towns to trade partners. I may be completly off on this line of thought, but wanted to present it to to see if anyone had any feedback or insights.? ? Scott P. 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There are various possibilities, but if it is Iroquoian, the key parts, the roots, are different. Marianne Mithun --On Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:13 PM -0800 Scott Collins wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone may be able to help me find out if the > following names may have anything at all in common, Tionontati and > Tegninateo. > > Tionontati is the name of the Tobacco Tribe that was a part of the Huron > and Erie alliance. > Tegninateo was the name of a village of the Manahoac in the Culpepper > County, VA area. > > I understand that the Huron and Erie were Iroquoian speakers and that the > Manahoac were Siouan speakers. I am wondering if there could be any > possible way that the words may a similar origin or if they may be > connected in any way. > > It is my understanding that the Huron and Erie had a trade relationship > with the Monacan, Saponi/Tutelo and Manahoac via the town of Monton on or > near the Kanawa River in present day West Virginia. I'm sure it is a huge > leap to make an assumption like this, but I am curious if these words > have a connected use, origin, or meaning. > > One other interesting observation that I made while reading was as > follows: > > > > ?American Folk Medicine? by Wayland Debs Hand > > Page 132 (See Note 40 as source) > > ?Pumpkin was the ?maycock? of the Virginia Algonquians?? > > Note 40 > > Peter Kalm, Peter Kalm?s Travels in North America, 2 vols. (New York: > Wilson-Erickson Inc., 1937), Il, 517. > > > > What I am wondering about this entry is whether the "maycock" that is > mentioned here as it relates to pumpkins may have anything whatsoever to > do with the other name the Manahoac were known by and that is Mahock? > > I come by this line of speculation because in my research on the name > Saponi I came across the reference to the Algonquin word Supawn or Sa-pon > for boiled Indian meal and translates into "softened by water". Tracking > down corruptions in trade jargon and Native American pigin language leads > me to these speculations on trying to tie in local names of tribes or > towns to trade partners. I may be completly off on this line of thought, > but wanted to present it to to see if anyone had any feedback or > insights. > > > > Scott P. Collins > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR > > Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle > > ?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.? From dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 20:28:48 2010 From: dvklinguist2003 at yahoo.com (David Kaufman) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:28:48 -0800 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine In-Reply-To: <803573.55776.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body (or meat), not tixi.? Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data.? I actually wondered if the -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' Dave --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins wrote: From: Scott Collins Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your opinion about this follow set for the word. ? ? ya- = progressive aspect pi: = good te:si: = body ? Together it is ya-te:si:pi or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: ? Is this correct? ? Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle ?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linguista at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 02:51:49 2010 From: linguista at gmail.com (Bryan James Gordon) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:51:49 -0700 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine In-Reply-To: <743621.23673.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the word for "medicine" has the "mysterious/sacred" morpheme in most Siouan languages, so yes you're probably right Dave! 2010/1/16 David Kaufman > Scott, > > Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I > assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body > (or meat), not tixi. Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall > seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data. I actually wondered if the > -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' > > Dave > > --- On *Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins * wrote: > > > From: Scott Collins > Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM > > > I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your > opinion about this follow set for the word. > > > ya- = progressive aspect > pi: = good > te:si: = body > > Together it is ya-te:si:pi > or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: > > Is this correct? > > > > Scott P. Collins > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR > > Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle > > ?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.? > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Sun Jan 17 03:03:47 2010 From: rankin at ku.edu (rankin at ku.edu) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:03:47 +0000 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is "moka". Medicine has nazalized vowels. I would phonemicize it as [maNkaN]. Sacred has an oral 1st syll. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Bryan James Gordon Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:51:49 To: Subject: Re: Saponi Word For Medicine I think the word for "medicine" has the "mysterious/sacred" morpheme in most Siouan languages, so yes you're probably right Dave! 2010/1/16 David Kaufman > Scott, > > Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I > assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body > (or meat), not tixi. Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall > seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data. I actually wondered if the > -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' > > Dave > > --- On *Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins * wrote: > > > From: Scott Collins > Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine > To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM > > > I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your > opinion about this follow set for the word. > > > ya- = progressive aspect > pi: = good > te:si: = body > > Together it is ya-te:si:pi > or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: > > Is this correct? > > > > Scott P. Collins > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR > > Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle > > ?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.? > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rankin at ku.edu Sun Jan 17 05:27:18 2010 From: rankin at ku.edu (Rankin, Robert L) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:27:18 -0600 Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine Message-ID: I think I discussed the relationship among the terms for 'sacred', 'god', 'medicine' and 'snake' in that paper I coauthored with Giulia Oliverio in the Frank Siebert Festschrift. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of David Kaufman Sent: Sat 1/16/2010 2:28 PM To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Subject: Re: Saponi Word For Medicine Scott, Not sure how much help this is, but Biloxi medicine is 'tixi' which I assume to be related to your Tutelo te:si:, although in Biloxi yo is body (or meat), not tixi.? Phi in Biloxi is also 'good', but I don't recall seeing that used with tixi in the Biloxi data.? I actually wondered if the -xi ending of tixi was actually the word for 'mysterious' or 'sacred.' Dave --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Scott Collins wrote: From: Scott Collins Subject: Saponi Word For Medicine To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:02 PM I can not seem to find a word for medicine in Saponi so wanted to get your opinion about this follow set for the word. ? ? ya- = progressive aspect pi: = good te:si: = body ? Together it is ya-te:si:pi or it could be ya-te:si:ipi: ? Is this correct? ? Scott P. Collins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle "Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose." From bmaxwell at mt.net Wed Jan 27 18:34:40 2010 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:34:40 -0700 Subject: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf Message-ID: "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your registration form. "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. Features: Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," more to come... > ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 525415 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," more to come... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your registration form. "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. Features: Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," more to come... > ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mary.marino at usask.ca Wed Jan 27 22:48:08 2010 From: mary.marino at usask.ca (Mary C Marino) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:48:08 -0600 Subject: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf In-Reply-To: <7CD93E1B86F64160958EE127FA2E5B15@JGHP> Message-ID: Good question. Mary Jimm GoodTracks wrote: > What kind of conference is this? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Billy Maxwell > *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU > ; PlainsIndianSeminartwo at yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:34 PM > *Subject:* MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf > > "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your > registration form. > "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. > "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. > "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. > > > Features: > Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an > afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. > Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or > gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. > > Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike > "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", > Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian > Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," > more to come... > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your registration > form. > "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. > "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. > "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. > > > Features: > Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an > afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. > Option for folks to share what they learned, express questions, or > gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. > > Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike > "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", > Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee Indian > Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," > more to come... > > > > ? > > > From bmaxwell at mt.net Wed Jan 27 23:26:22 2010 From: bmaxwell at mt.net (Billy Maxwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:26:22 -0700 Subject: MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf In-Reply-To: <4B60C2A8.1060003@usask.ca> Message-ID: Look on the registration form, the title is the Material Culture of the Prairie, Plains, & Plateau. We have been online and held conferences since 2001. We are the research refugees from the Plains Conference that the Buffalo Bill Historical Society hosted in Cody, Wyoming for many years. In have enjoyed the Siouan list over the years and have included you since Siouan covers 2/3 of the culture areas we address directly. There have been a few material culture questions that have floated accross, so I thought some of you may be interested. Tom Leonard has been a contributor over the years. We try to include language as a part of getting the whole picture at understanding Indian life as was and is. Our Conferences have been in Great Falls, MT, Bozeman, MT, Rapid City, S. D., Lewiston, ID, Ok City, Helena and now Omaha. We will have another conference in Lewiston host by Bob Chenowith. This is his second hosting. Past presenters include: Bill Holm, Steve Grafe, Bill Mercer, Allen Chronister, Paul Razcka, Nancy Fonicello, Norman Bowers (Hidatsa Language Analysis since the 1930's!), Bud Lake, the late Collin Taylor, Louie Garcia, Carolyn Gilman, Scott Kessen, the late Jack Smith, Scott Thompson, Matt Reed, Jim Johnston, Rich Edwards, the late Gary Johnson, the late Ron Wrona, Patrick Leary, Bob Chenowith, and many more... Go to mcppp.org if you would like to see what we are like. We meet everyday and night online at yahoo groups. We have 700 members internationally who are very cheap and well quiet shallow or material. Billy Maxwell, Conference Czar On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:48pm, Mary C Marino wrote: > Good question. > > Mary > > > Jimm GoodTracks wrote: >> What kind of conference is this? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Billy Maxwell >> *To:* siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU >> >> ; PlainsIndianSeminartwo at yahoogroups.com >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:34 PM >> *Subject:* MC3P RegFormOmaha.pdf >> >> "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your >> registration form. >> "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. >> "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. >> "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. >> >> >> Features: >> Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with an >> afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. >> Option for folks to share what they learned, express >> questions, or >> gather in the evenings to do more than just buy stuff. >> >> Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth DeNike >> "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", >> Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee >> Indian >> Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," >> more to come... >> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> "Where is the Marriot Courtyard in Omaha?" Look on your >> registration form. >> "What time do we start?" Look on your registration form. >> "How do I contact the hotel?" Look on your form. >> "I have a question that is not on the form," Look on your form. >> >> >> Features: >> Six presentation hours on Friday, four hours for Saturday with >> an afternoon visit to Joslyn or Nez Perce during Lewiston. >> Option for folks to share what they learned, express >> questions, or gather in the evenings to do more than just buy >> stuff. >> >> Presenters: Fred Schneider "Hidatsa Ethnobotany", Beth >> DeNike "Prairie Art", Benson Lanford "Prairie Symbolic Art", >> Billy Maxwell "How that was skinned," Richard Gould "Pawnee >> Indian Village," Matt Reed "TBA," Jim Johnston "TBA," >> more to come... >> >> > >> >> > >> >