From carudin1 at WSC.EDU  Fri Jun  1 03:28:06 2012
From: carudin1 at WSC.EDU (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:28:06 -0500
Subject: SCLC room update
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2012.222806.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I reserved a double for myself and my husband, Ali Eminov.  
Catherine

>>> David Kaufman  05/31/12 1:03 PM >>>
Hi all,

Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:

1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to help you and go over safety proedures;
3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one) but a few have separate beds.
4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q grill;
6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may gather after conference hours;    
7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a regular key to your room;
9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and between those times;
10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side room at the Hall;
11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks, leftovers, etc.
12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.

Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with.  I have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how many people in each room.

Thanks!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology


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From ryan.kasak at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jun  1 21:06:49 2012
From: ryan.kasak at GMAIL.COM (Ryan Kasak)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:06:49 -0500
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUN.2012.160649.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hello David,

I booked a single for myself for the SCLC.  I'll be driving down the the
rest of the Northeastern Illinois University group.  Please let me know if
you need any more information than that.

Best,

Ryan

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM, David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you
> arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:
>
> 1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
> 2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to
> help you and go over safety proedures;
> 3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds,
> single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two
> sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one)
> but a few have separate beds.
> 4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
> 5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q
> grill;
> 6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may
> gather after conference hours;
> 7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
> 8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a
> regular key to your room;
> 9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and
> 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an
> emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and
> between those times;
> 10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side
> room at the Hall;
> 11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks,
> leftovers, etc.
> 12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.
>
> Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you *please
> send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the
> name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with*.  I have to give KU
> Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how
> many people in each room.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>
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From Greer-J at MSSU.EDU  Fri Jun  1 22:16:20 2012
From: Greer-J at MSSU.EDU (Greer, Jill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:16:20 +0000
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CA+kNN0nwDqoT8E0_FvYXmtasSBoGkvOEPOAtfiNjkAOUwqcG5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUN.2012.221620.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi, Dave,



I'm sorry if this is a duplicate -  I bumped my mouse on the earlier version, and didn't get a copy myself, so I was afraid it didn't go through at all.



I have a double for Lori Stanley and myself to share.  Thanks!



Jill





________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Ryan Kasak [ryan.kasak at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:06 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: SCLC room update

Hello David,

I booked a single for myself for the SCLC.  I'll be driving down the the rest of the Northeastern Illinois University group.  Please let me know if you need any more information than that.

Best,

Ryan

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM, David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at gmail.com<mailto:dvkanth2010 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:

1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to help you and go over safety proedures;
3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one) but a few have separate beds.
4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q grill;
6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may gather after conference hours;
7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a regular key to your room;
9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and between those times;
10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side room at the Hall;
11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks, leftovers, etc.
12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.

Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with.  I have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how many people in each room.

Thanks!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology




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From rgraczyk at AOL.COM  Fri Jun  1 23:01:41 2012
From: rgraczyk at AOL.COM (rgraczyk at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:01:41 -0400
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUN.2012.190141.0400.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I reserved a single room.

Randy Graczyk


-----Original Message-----
From: David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>
To: SIOUAN <SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 11:32 am
Subject: SCLC room update


Hi all,

Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when 
you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:

1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene 
to help you and go over safety proedures;
3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four 
beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom 
(with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder 
for top one) but a few have separate beds.
4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a 
bar-b-q grill;
6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may 
gather after conference hours;   
7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a 
regular key to your room;
9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am 
and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will 
be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency 
after and between those times;
10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side 
room at the Hall;
11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep 
snacks, leftovers, etc.
12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.

Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you 
please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please 
indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with.  I 
have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to 
allot and for how many people in each room.

Thanks!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology


  


From mary.marino at USASK.CA  Sat Jun  2 07:45:48 2012
From: mary.marino at USASK.CA (Mary C Marino)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:45:48 -0600
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.JUN.2012.014548.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hello David

I reserved a single room.

Mary Marino



On 31/05/2012 11:29 AM, David Kaufman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when 
> you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:
>
> 1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
> 2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene 
> to help you and go over safety proedures;
> 3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four 
> beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one 
> bathroom (with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed 
> (with ladder for top one) but a few have separate beds.
> 4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
> 5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a 
> bar-b-q grill;
> 6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may 
> gather after conference hours;
> 7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
> 8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a 
> regular key to your room;
> 9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am 
> and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There 
> will be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of 
> emergency after and between those times;
> 10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side 
> room at the Hall;
> 11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep 
> snacks, leftovers, etc.
> 12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.
>
> Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you 
> *please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please 
> indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with*.  I 
> have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to 
> allot and for how many people in each room.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- 
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>

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From rlarson1 at UNL.EDU  Sun Jun  3 21:45:25 2012
From: rlarson1 at UNL.EDU (Rory Larson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:45:25 +0000
Subject: hunka/honga, etc.
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC6236217BC@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.JUN.2012.214525.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

For Omaha *hų́•ka, hoNga, we have:

    nudo`N-hoNga as noted in the CSD below (that entry has a couple of typoes in the spelling), meaning 'boss' or 'leader (of any activity)' today, but originally meaning the leader of a war party, where nudo`N means 'warrior'.

    the Honga clan, which Fletcher and La Flesche gloss as 'leader' or 'first', and which they suggest was once the name of the entire tribe.

    ppa-ho`Nga, meaning 'first', 'beginning', or 'front of the line', where ppa means 'head'.

    ni`-hoNga, meaning a natural spring, or the 'head' or 'source' of a flow of water.

In Omaha, hoNga seems to mean 'head', in a metaphorical social, spacial or temporal sense.


Riggs has an interesting series of huNka entries for Dakota that revolve around 'ancestor', 'parent', 'elder brother' or 'honored relative', including a ceremony in which an esteemed adoptee becomes huNka to the one that adopted him.  One of Buechel's entries adds any close relative, parent or sibling, into the mix.

For Dakotan, it looks like huNka means an elder or otherwise especially esteemed relative.


I'm wondering if final -*ka on this word isn't the determinative suffix we find on a lot of stative verbs and animal names?  In that case, *hų́•ka would be a stative generalizer on the root *hų́, and it would be that root we would really want to look at.

I believe both Lakhota and Omaha are peculiar in having two roots for 'mother'.  For the vocative term speaking to her, or in Lakhota about one's own, the root is *naN.  For the referential term used in speaking about her, the root is *huN.  If this *huN is the same root as in *hų́•ka, that might suggest that an original kin term *naN for 'mother' was replaced by a more formal and less touchy term meaning 'parent' or 'elder' when speaking about her.  That would match well with the Dakotan huNka meanings.

In Omaha, we have the term iho`NriNge meaning 'orphan'.  That should mean 'motherless', where iho`N means 'mother' and riNge means 'none' or 'lacking'.  But given the force of the term and the tendency for Native North Americans to be raised by their grandmothers or other relatives anyway, I wonder if the sense isn't the starker one of having no elders at all to take care of one.  In that case, *huN again would more broadly imply 'elder relative' rather than simply 'mother'.

Among the Omaha, there is a reluctance for women to speak publicly.  If a woman has something she wants said to the group, she may select someone to speak for her, who ideally is an elder male relative.  (This practice isn't strictly determined by age or sex- a woman may choose to speak for herself, or she may have a son speak for her if she has no elder male relatives, and likely a bashful or speech-impaired male could request the same boon- but it is the archetype.)  Asking someone to speak for you is called waho`Nre, and speaking for someone else in this capacity is called waho`Ne.  The wa- is the generalizing *wa-, -re is the causative, and -e here probably means 'say' or 'speak'.  That leaves a lexical morpheme *hoN.  I would suggest that the idea of wa-ho`N-re is to make someone your responsible parent or elder in the sense of giving them power of attorney over what you want said, and that wa-ho`N-e is to speak for someone in the capacity of their responsible elder.  I!
 f that interpretation is correct, the *huN (if it is MVS *huN and not *haN) again means 'elder'.

We have the word uwa`kkihoN (or ua`kkihoN ? or uwa`akkihoN ?), meaning 'progeny' or 'descendants'.  I'm not sure of the exact series of prefixes here or how to analyze them, but the lexical morpheme at the end is -hoN, and the whole word refers to kinship in a generational sense.  Perhaps it means those that descend from one *huN, or ancestor.  This word is also incorporated into the term zhiNga`-uwakkihoN, 'the younger generation'.

There is also an instrumental verbal series of -hoN words that may or may not have anything to do with this root.  We have ra-hoN, to 'thank' or perhaps 'worship'.  The instrumental prefix here is ra-, 'by means of the mouth', and this implies making the object hoN by speaking.  That might imply making the thanked or worshipped one an esteemed elder to one, or it might mean raising them up by speech.  The other -hoN verbs imply literally lifting or raising something: ri-hoN, to lift something light by hand; ga-hoN, to lift something heavy enough to require two people; a-hoN, to lift up or onto; noNkki a-hoN, to lift up with a pulley.


It seems to me that the *huN term and its statively generalized counterpart *huN-ka most likely originally meant 'elder relative' or 'parent', with the strong connotation of 'esteemed authority figure'.  This would hail from an earlier time when people lived in small bands perhaps centered on one or two sovereign men with their wives and children.  Status would be by seniority, and the leading couple(s) would be 'parents' or *huN to all the younger people in the band.  They would also, in effect, be the chiefs of the band, and would make the group decisions and speak for the group to outsiders.  They would be at once parents and ancestors, leaders and chiefs, spokespersons, and commanders of esteem and deference from the youngsters.

That would immediately give us the 'parent', 'ancestor' and 'elder relative' terms we find for *hų́•ka in Mandan and Dakotan, and by an easy semantic transfer the 'chief' terms we find in Dakotan, Winnebago-Chiwere and Dhegiha.  In Dhegiha, there would seem to be a further metaphorical transference from 'chief' to the 'head' of a line and from 'parent' to the 'source' or head of a stream of water.  The HoNga clan name would probably have an historical origin, perhaps as an elite "elder" or leading sub-group within a confederation of bands that became the original Dhegiha people.  In any case, I think that term is probably well-rooted in Siouan, at least for the past couple of thousand years, as Bob suggests.


Some maundering thoughts on this anyway.

Best,
Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Rankin, Robert L.
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:45 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: hunka/honga, etc.

Mark et al.

There is no really straightforward answer to the question.  The term occurs in all Mississippi Valley Siouan languages and Mandan with the meanings indicated below.  It does not occur in Missouri River Siouan or Ohio Valley Siouan as far as we have been able to determine.  This means that the term is probably a good 2000 years old at least within Siouan.  I don't know what your contact's source is, but it is highly unlikely that anyone would "remember" where it comes from or whether it came from outside Siouan.  It might, of course, in which case the place to look for similar terms would be Algonquian.  Other possibilities include Caddoan, but no one has suggested a source.  Below is the CSD entry.  We debated the meaning/source and came up with basically nothing.


PSI[ *hų́•ka

MA[ hų́ka ‘parent’ H-83



PMV[ *hų́•ka

PDA[ *hųká

LA[ hųká ‘ancestor, chief, elder, relative’ C

DA[ †hųká “huŋká” ‘parent, ancestor’ R-157b

ST[ hųgá ‘chief’ PAS


PWC[*hų́•ke

CH[ hų́•ge ‘chief’ RR

WI[ hų́ųk KM-1617 ‘chief’



PDH[ *hą́ka RR

OP[ nadáhąga ‘chief’ RR, ‘war leader’ SW-34

KS[ hą́ga ‘gens name’; dodą́hąga ‘war leader’ RR

OS[ †hǫ́ka “hoⁿ´ga” ‘eagle, sacred one, moiety name’ LF-65b

QU[ totą́hąka ‘war captain’ JOD



COM[ Length and accentual pattern suggest there may have been an old initial

syllable, probably the possessive {*i-}.  The proto-DH form may have had

{ǫ́}, but most of the evidence comes from unstressed forms where |ǫ| and

|ą| have fallen together more or less completely. La Flesche’s OS does not

distinguish the two even in accented position.  Jimm Good Tracks 92:28 reports that this

term has the broader meaning ‘blessed one (who has been prayed/sung over)’.

This may in fact be closer to the original meaning, since it encompasses

virtually all of the derived meanings.  I invite Jimm to comment further.

Bob
________________________________
> A graduate student here at UNL forwarded this inquiry.
Any suggestions, please?  Thank you,
Mark Awakuni-Swetland

> Do you know where the term Hunka originated?  One of my sources talked about how it is not a Siouan word and was borrowed from some other tribe/language group.  I thought perhaps you might have some info on this.


From Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE  Mon Jun  4 07:32:49 2012
From: Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE (Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:32:49 +0200
Subject: Antw: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.4.JUN.2012.093249.0200.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear David,

I reserved a single room.

Best
Johannes




-- 

 
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Tel. 0941/943-3388
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>>> David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> schrieb am 31.05.2012 um 19:29 in
Nachricht
<CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q at mail.gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
> 
> Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you
> arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:
> 
> 1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
> 2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to
> help you and go over safety proedures;
> 3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds,
> single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two
> sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one)
> but a few have separate beds.
> 4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
> 5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q
> grill;
> 6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may gather
> after conference hours;
> 7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
> 8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a
> regular key to your room;
> 9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and
> 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an
> emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and
> between those times;
> 10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side room
> at the Hall;
> 11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks,
> leftovers, etc.
> 12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.
> 
> Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you
*please
> send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the
> name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with*.  I have to give KU
> Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how
> many people in each room.
> 
> Thanks!
 


From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun  6 12:28:19 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:28:19 -0500
Subject: SCLC schedule revised - please review
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjRd8AT=vZbdy9fXS+PHeQ9j+m0xk37vndjLd8t=XJjJrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.072819.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dave!  
Please confirm exactly where will the conference take place (Student Union, another building), and when is the first presentation (Wens. at 8am or 12noon?).  Excuse my lack of understanding and clarity.
Jimm
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Kaufman 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:41 PM
  Subject: Re: SCLC schedule revised - please review


  Oh right.  I'll change that.  thanks.

  Dave


  On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Cumberland, Linda A <lcumberl at indiana.edu> wrote:

    Not a big deal, but as the abstract indicates, my paper title has a subtitle. The full title is "What's in a Word: Cultural Content in the Kanza Dictionary". Just in case anyone wonders what's implied by the bare title.
    -Linda

    Quoting David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>:


      Hi all,

      I have made changes to the tentative SCLC schedule (attached) based on
      feedback received.  Again, please check it to make sure that you're
      scheduled for a day and time that you can do and that your presentation
      length of time is acceptable.  As usual, if there is anyone I missed or any
      times that absolutely won't work, please let me know.

      We're still accepting abstracts, so, if you would still like to submit one,
      please feel free.

      Thanks.

      --
      David Kaufman, Ph.C.
      University of Kansas
      Linguistic Anthropology





  -- 
  David Kaufman, Ph.C.
  University of Kansas
  Linguistic Anthropology

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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun  6 18:51:31 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:51:31 -0500
Subject: SCLC schedule revised - please review
In-Reply-To: <0DA2CDD8EC2F43F495405F5ADB6A72FB@JGHP>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.135131.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Jimm,

The conference begins 9:00 a.m. on Fri Jun 15 and ends 12:30 p.m. Sun
Jun 17.  The conference room is in Wescoe on Jayhawk Blvd. (room
numbers on program).

I am about to send out the program as it stands.  This should answer
any questions as far as scheduling.

Dave

On 6/6/12, Jimm GoodTracks <jgoodtracks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave!
> Please confirm exactly where will the conference take place (Student Union,
> another building), and when is the first presentation (Wens. at 8am or
> 12noon?).  Excuse my lack of understanding and clarity.
> Jimm
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Kaufman
>   To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:41 PM
>   Subject: Re: SCLC schedule revised - please review
>
>
>   Oh right.  I'll change that.  thanks.
>
>   Dave
>
>
>   On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Cumberland, Linda A
> <lcumberl at indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>     Not a big deal, but as the abstract indicates, my paper title has a
> subtitle. The full title is "What's in a Word: Cultural Content in the Kanza
> Dictionary". Just in case anyone wonders what's implied by the bare title.
>     -Linda
>
>     Quoting David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>:
>
>
>       Hi all,
>
>       I have made changes to the tentative SCLC schedule (attached) based
> on
>       feedback received.  Again, please check it to make sure that you're
>       scheduled for a day and time that you can do and that your
> presentation
>       length of time is acceptable.  As usual, if there is anyone I missed
> or any
>       times that absolutely won't work, please let me know.
>
>       We're still accepting abstracts, so, if you would still like to submit
> one,
>       please feel free.
>
>       Thanks.
>
>       --
>       David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>       University of Kansas
>       Linguistic Anthropology
>
>
>
>
>
>   --
>   David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>   University of Kansas
>   Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology


From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun  6 19:20:03 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:20:03 -0500
Subject: SCLC Program
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.142003.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

I'm attaching our conference program as it stands now.  Sorry for the
delay, but my computer died last weekend and I've reverted to my old
laptop in the meantime to stay up on emails.  (I should have my new
desktop later today - fingers crossed. [Yes, things happen at the most
opportune times!])  A copy of the program will be included in the
folder you receive upon check-in at the conference; this is just a
sneak preview.  Let me know if any changes need to be made.

See you next week!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jun  8 18:00:53 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:00:53 -0500
Subject: Halls room list for SCLC
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.130053.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

The list below is what we currently show as reserved rooms at the Amini
Halls, based on info received from CoLang (who took the money).  *Please
review it and let me know if there are any discrepancies, or if you're not
on the list but should be*.  If you have not already reserved a room, you
can still try to reserve by contacting CoLang directly, but there is no
guarantee any more rooms will be available (cut off for SCLC was May
20).  I have forwarded this list to KU Housing per their request.

1) Mark Awakuni-Swetland, double
2) John Boyle, single
3) Lewis Gebhardt, single
4) Zachary Gordon, single
5) Randolph Graczyk, single
6) Jill Greer, double (with Lori Stanley)
7) Tanya Harrison, double
8) Iren Hartmann, single
9) Johannes Helmbrecht, single
10) Ryan Kasak, single
11) Rory Larson, single
12) Mary Marino, single
13) Marty Richardson, double
14) David Rood, single
15) Catherine Rudin, double (with Ali Eminov)
16) Logan Sutton, single
17) Mateusz Szulc, single
18) George Wilmes, single
19) Jonnia Torres, single
I also show the following concurrently enrolled with CoLang workshops:
19) Shelece Easterday
20) Roanne Hill
21) Khan Afsar
22) Khawaja Rehman
23) Moira Salzman
24) Saul Schwartz
You may want to try and arrive at the Amini Halls before 10:00 p.m. if
possible on Jun 14.  There will be a KU Housing staff person there until
this time.  After that, you will have to call someone at Housing (number to
be provided) to open the doors for you. Also, there will not be a Housing
employee between noon and 5:00, so if you arrive during this time, you may
have to wait until 5:00 to check in.

Further, I have requested info as to whether you need to preregister for
internet access, and, if so, whether there is a password for this.  More
info will be forthcoming as soon as I know.
-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Sun Jun 10 14:09:42 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 09:09:42 -0500
Subject: Halls room list for SCLC
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjQ7YAJuvnRb_yEEAQk33xGErtNgH-A7ScAo_nDHvtdVZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.JUN.2012.090942.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dave, I have the impression that Linda Cumberland and Justin McBride were also attending.  The list below is not the total committed participants, but only those who are rooming at the KU dorm. Correct? 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Kaufman 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 1:00 PM
  Subject: Halls room list for SCLC


  Hi all,

  The list below is what we currently show as reserved rooms at the Amini Halls, based on info received from CoLang (who took the money).  Please review it and let me know if there are any discrepancies, or if you're not on the list but should be.  If you have not already reserved a room, you can still try to reserve by contacting CoLang directly, but there is no guarantee any more rooms will be available (cut off for SCLC was May 20).  I have forwarded this list to KU Housing per their request.

  1) Mark Awakuni-Swetland, double
  2) John Boyle, single
  3) Lewis Gebhardt, single
  4) Zachary Gordon, single
  5) Randolph Graczyk, single
  6) Jill Greer, double (with Lori Stanley)
  7) Tanya Harrison, double
  8) Iren Hartmann, single
  9) Johannes Helmbrecht, single
  10) Ryan Kasak, single
  11) Rory Larson, single
  12) Mary Marino, single
  13) Marty Richardson, double
  14) David Rood, single
  15) Catherine Rudin, double (with Ali Eminov)
  16) Logan Sutton, single
  17) Mateusz Szulc, single
  18) George Wilmes, single
  19) Jonnia Torres, single
  I also show the following concurrently enrolled with CoLang workshops:
  19) Shelece Easterday
  20) Roanne Hill
  21) Khan Afsar
  22) Khawaja Rehman
  23) Moira Salzman
  24) Saul Schwartz

  You may want to try and arrive at the Amini Halls before 10:00 p.m. if possible on Jun 14.  There will be a KU Housing staff person there until this time.  After that, you will have to call someone at Housing (number to be provided) to open the doors for you. Also, there will not be a Housing employee between noon and 5:00, so if you arrive during this time, you may have to wait until 5:00 to check in.

  Further, I have requested info as to whether you need to preregister for internet access, and, if so, whether there is a password for this.  More info will be forthcoming as soon as I know.
  -- 
  David Kaufman, Ph.C.
  University of Kansas
  Linguistic Anthropology

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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Sun Jun 10 15:27:06 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:27:06 -0500
Subject: Halls room list for SCLC
In-Reply-To: <F8AEDB8D62A3449DA1E42DB2E56811CB@JGHP>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.JUN.2012.102706.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Yes, correct.

Dave

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Jimm GoodTracks <jgoodtracks at gmail.com>wrote:

> **
> Dave, I have the impression that Linda Cumberland and Justin McBride were
> also attending.  The list below is not the total committed participants,
> but only those who are rooming at the KU dorm. Correct?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Sent:* Friday, June 08, 2012 1:00 PM
> *Subject:* Halls room list for SCLC
>
> Hi all,
>
> The list below is what we currently show as reserved rooms at the Amini
> Halls, based on info received from CoLang (who took the money).  *Please
> review it and let me know if there are any discrepancies, or if you're not
> on the list but should be*.  If you have not already reserved a room, you
> can still try to reserve by contacting CoLang directly, but there is no
> guarantee any more rooms will be available (cut off for SCLC was May
> 20).  I have forwarded this list to KU Housing per their request.
>
>  1) Mark Awakuni-Swetland, double
> 2) John Boyle, single
> 3) Lewis Gebhardt, single
> 4) Zachary Gordon, single
> 5) Randolph Graczyk, single
> 6) Jill Greer, double (with Lori Stanley)
> 7) Tanya Harrison, double
> 8) Iren Hartmann, single
> 9) Johannes Helmbrecht, single
> 10) Ryan Kasak, single
> 11) Rory Larson, single
> 12) Mary Marino, single
> 13) Marty Richardson, double
> 14) David Rood, single
> 15) Catherine Rudin, double (with Ali Eminov)
> 16) Logan Sutton, single
> 17) Mateusz Szulc, single
> 18) George Wilmes, single
> 19) Jonnia Torres, single
>  I also show the following concurrently enrolled with CoLang workshops:
>  19) Shelece Easterday
> 20) Roanne Hill
> 21) Khan Afsar
> 22) Khawaja Rehman
> 23) Moira Salzman
> 24) Saul Schwartz
> You may want to try and arrive at the Amini Halls before 10:00 p.m. if
> possible on Jun 14.  There will be a KU Housing staff person there until
> this time.  After that, you will have to call someone at Housing (number to
> be provided) to open the doors for you. Also, there will not be a Housing
> employee between noon and 5:00, so if you arrive during this time, you may
> have to wait until 5:00 to check in.
>
> Further, I have requested info as to whether you need to preregister for
> internet access, and, if so, whether there is a password for this.  More
> info will be forthcoming as soon as I know.
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Mon Jun 11 17:23:40 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:40 -0500
Subject: SCLC update
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.122340.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.  But
here are a few things you should know:

1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you arrive
at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are two-bedroom suites*.
If you've reserved a single, as most of you have, you will have your own
bedroom, but you will still have to share a bathroom.  For those of you
who've reserved a double, this means you will have your roommate in the
same bedroom with you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes,
this was all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms
and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your own
bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a bathroom with the
other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes sense.)

2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you arrive
at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements are being
taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online once you
receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you need to
do.

3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.  If
you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon provided
in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local Office Depot*.
There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one
on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).

I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From mmrichar at LIVE.UNC.EDU  Mon Jun 11 19:55:22 2012
From: mmrichar at LIVE.UNC.EDU (mmrichar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:55:22 +0000
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjQKgLCHs4Wx0E=DG7dmiaZ2-=hX+AOMD3f6ODpUXJ9SXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.195522.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dave,

Can you remind me of the traveling arrangements to and from the airport again?  I arrive in Kansas City on Thursday at 3:45 p.m.

Marty
________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:23 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: SCLC update

Hi all,

Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.  But here are a few things you should know:

1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you arrive at the Halls, you should know that all of the rooms are two-bedroom suites.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have, you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes sense.)

2) You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you arrive at the Halls.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you need to do.

3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making 50 copies.  If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon provided in your conference folder for discount copying at our local Office Depot.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).

I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology

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From rankin at KU.EDU  Mon Jun 11 21:32:45 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:32:45 +0000
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjQKgLCHs4Wx0E=DG7dmiaZ2-=hX+AOMD3f6ODpUXJ9SXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.213245.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear friends,

Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoon and/or evening.  If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the Kansas City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses if you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to be able to phone you when we are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010 (at) ku.edu and mine is rankin (at) ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.

I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking forward to seeing everyone this weekend.

Best,

Bob

________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: SCLC update

Hi all,

Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.  But here are a few things you should know:

1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you arrive at the Halls, you should know that all of the rooms are two-bedroom suites.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have, you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes sense.)

2) You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you arrive at the Halls.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you need to do.

3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making 50 copies.  If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon provided in your conference folder for discount copying at our local Office Depot.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).

I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology

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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jun 12 00:05:01 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:05:01 -0500
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <83AAB08AD604F548BC86F39AEA4803741B3E4A21@CH1PRD0310MB391.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.190501.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Marty,

I'm sending out another call to the List for flight number info.  We only
have a few people who've responded.  One or two of us can make pick-ups
from the airport, but I want to make sure we've got everybody accounted for
before we decide on pick-up time(s).  We should know by Weds for sure, and
then I can let you know when we can pick you up.

See you soon.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, mmrichar <mmrichar at live.unc.edu> wrote:

>  Dave,
>
>  Can you remind me of the traveling arrangements to and from the airport
> again?  I arrive in Kansas City on Thursday at 3:45 p.m.
>
>  Marty
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
> Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 1:23 PM
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* SCLC update
>
>   Hi all,
>
> Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.
> But here are a few things you should know:
>
> 1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you
> arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are
> two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have,
> you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a
> bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will
> have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds,
> which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short,
> each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room
> means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still
> share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
> sense.)
>
> 2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you
> arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements
> are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online
> once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you
> need to do.
>
> 3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.
> If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon
> provided in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local
> Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there
> is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).
>
> I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!
>
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jun 12 00:23:39 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:23:39 -0500
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC623624EFB@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.192339.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi everyone,

Let's make this my last call for any of you who are arriving at KCI (MCI)
and need a ride from the airport on Thurs.  So far we've only received a
few responses, from Mary Marino (1:25), Marty Richardson (3:45), and David
Rood (~6:30).  So, *please let us know by Weds if you need an airport
pick-up* (giving time of arrival), otherwise I will assume that you are
either driving in or have otherwise already made airport pick-up
arrangements.  We will decide between the three of us (Bob, Kathy, and me)
based on responses how many pick-ups need to be made and at what time(s).

By the way, I am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall Thurs evening
just to assist the KU Housing employee in making sure things go smoothly as
far as check-in goes, and to collect your $15 conference fee if you have it
available (cash is probably best).  I will also give you your folder at
that time with program and other goodies.  If I don't see you then, you can
give me your fee on Fri.  (Remember, those of you driving onto campus on
Fri to the Wescoe conference room, you will have to pay an $8 parking fee
for the day at the gate).

Oh, btw, my email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com.. : )  I don't
have a cell phone unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look
at it).

Dave
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:

>  Dear friends,
>
> Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very
> reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be
> ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoon and/or
> evening.  If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the
> Kansas City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and
> cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses if
> you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to be able to phone you
> when we are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to
> appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010 (at) ku.eduand mine is rankin (at)
> ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.
>
> I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I
> had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking
> forward to seeing everyone this weekend.
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
> Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
>
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* SCLC update
>
>   Hi all,
>
> Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.
> But here are a few things you should know:
>
> 1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you
> arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are
> two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have,
> you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a
> bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will
> have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds,
> which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short,
> each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room
> means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still
> share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
> sense.)
>
> 2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you
> arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements
> are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online
> once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you
> need to do.
>
> 3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.
> If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon
> provided in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local
> Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there
> is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).
>
> I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!
>
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From mary.marino at USASK.CA  Tue Jun 12 02:19:08 2012
From: mary.marino at USASK.CA (Mary C Marino)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:19:08 -0600
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.201908.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hello David

Here is some additional information:  I arrive KCI at 1.23 pm Thurs the 
14th on UA 3658.  My cell number is 371-1119.  (I only use it when I'm 
traveling.)

Best
Mary


On 11/06/2012 6:23 PM, David Kaufman wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Let's make this my last call for any of you who are arriving at KCI 
> (MCI) and need a ride from the airport on Thurs.  So far we've only 
> received a few responses, from Mary Marino (1:25), Marty Richardson 
> (3:45), and David Rood (~6:30).  So, *please let us know by Weds if 
> you need an airport pick-up* (giving time of arrival), otherwise I 
> will assume that you are either driving in or have otherwise already 
> made airport pick-up arrangements.  We will decide between the three 
> of us (Bob, Kathy, and me) based on responses how many pick-ups need 
> to be made and at what time(s).
> By the way, I am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall 
> Thurs evening just to assist the KU Housing employee in making sure 
> things go smoothly as far as check-in goes, and to collect your 
> $15 conference fee if you have it available (cash is probably best).  
> I will also give you your folder at that time with program and other 
> goodies.  If I don't see you then, you can give me your fee on 
> Fri.  (Remember, those of you driving onto campus on Fri to the Wescoe 
> conference room, you will have to pay an $8 parking fee for the day at 
> the gate).
> Oh, btw, my email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dvkanth2010 at gmail.com>.. : )  I don't have a cell phone 
> unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it).
> Dave
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at ku.edu 
> <mailto:rankin at ku.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Dear friends,
>
>     Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are
>     very reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It
>     should be ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on
>     Thursday afternoon and/or evening.  If you are going to need
>     transportation to Lawrence from the Kansas City airport you should
>     send your flight and arrival time and cellphone number to either
>     me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses if you wish to keep
>     your number private.  We will want to be able to phone you when we
>     are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to
>     appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010
>     (at) ku.edu <http://ku.edu> and mine is rankin (at) ku.edu
>     <http://ku.edu>.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me
>     theirs.
>
>     I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations
>     as I had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm
>     looking forward to seeing everyone this weekend.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Bob
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>     <mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>] on behalf of David Kaufman
>     [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>]
>     *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
>
>     *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu <mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
>     *Subject:* SCLC update
>
>     Hi all,
>     Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you
>     arrive.  But here are a few things you should know:
>     1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when
>     you arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms
>     are two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of
>     you have, you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have
>     to share a bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double,
>     this means you will have your roommate in the same bedroom with
>     you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was
>     all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms
>     and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your
>     own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a
>     bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
>     sense.)
>     2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when
>     you arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet
>     arrangements are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should
>     be good to go online once you receive your passcode upon check-in,
>     and there is nothing else you need to do.
>     3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50
>     copies*.  If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there
>     will be a coupon provided in your conference folder for *discount
>     copying at our local Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's
>     downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one on campus (and
>     Kinko's does not provide a discount).
>     I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all
>     soon!
>
>     -- 
>     David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>     University of Kansas
>     Linguistic Anthropology
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>

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From Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE  Tue Jun 12 07:19:12 2012
From: Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE (Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:19:12 +0200
Subject: Antw: Re: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.091912.0200.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi David,

my flight details are: I will arrive at Kansas City airport on June 14, at
4:43 pm (from Newark) flight number  CO 4181. Randy will take me with him to
Lawrence. I assume there is still space for others to join us?

See you
Johannes




-- 

 
Professor Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Fakultät für Sprach-, Literatur- und Kulturwissenschaften
Universität Regensburg
Universitätsstrasse 31
D-93053 Regensburg

Tel. 0941/943-3388
Tel. 0941/943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax. 0941/943-2429
 
Website:
www-avs.uni-regensburg.de
E-mail:
johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de 
 
 
>>> David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> schrieb am 12.06.2012 um 02:23 in
Nachricht
<CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA at mail.gmail.com>:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Let's make this my last call for any of you who are arriving at KCI (MCI)
> and need a ride from the airport on Thurs.  So far we've only received a
> few responses, from Mary Marino (1:25), Marty Richardson (3:45), and David
> Rood (~6:30).  So, *please let us know by Weds if you need an airport
> pick-up* (giving time of arrival), otherwise I will assume that you are
> either driving in or have otherwise already made airport pick-up
> arrangements.  We will decide between the three of us (Bob, Kathy, and me)
> based on responses how many pick-ups need to be made and at what time(s).
> 
> By the way, I am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall Thurs evening
> just to assist the KU Housing employee in making sure things go smoothly as
> far as check-in goes, and to collect your $15 conference fee if you have it
> available (cash is probably best).  I will also give you your folder at
> that time with program and other goodies.  If I don't see you then, you can
> give me your fee on Fri.  (Remember, those of you driving onto campus on
> Fri to the Wescoe conference room, you will have to pay an $8 parking fee
> for the day at the gate).
> 
> Oh, btw, my email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com.. : )  I don't
> have a cell phone unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look
> at it).
> 
> Dave
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:
> 
> >  Dear friends,
> >
> > Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very
> > reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be
> > ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoon
and/or
> > evening.  If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the
> > Kansas City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and
> > cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses
if
> > you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to be able to phone
you
> > when we are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to
> > appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010 (at) 
> ku.eduand mine is rankin (at)
> > ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.
> >
> > I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I
> > had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking
> > forward to seeing everyone this weekend.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
> > Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM] 
> > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
> >
> > *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
> > *Subject:* SCLC update
> >
> >   Hi all,
> >
> > Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.
> > But here are a few things you should know:
> >
> > 1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you
> > arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are
> > two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have,
> > you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a
> > bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will
> > have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds,
> > which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short,
> > each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room
> > means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still
> > share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
> > sense.)
> >
> > 2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you
> > arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements
> > are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online
> > once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else
you
> > need to do.
> >
> > 3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.
> > If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon
> > provided in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local
> > Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there
> > is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).
> >
> > I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!
> >
> > --
> > David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> > University of Kansas
> > Linguistic Anthropology
> >
> >
 


From rgraczyk at AOL.COM  Tue Jun 12 14:41:45 2012
From: rgraczyk at AOL.COM (rgraczyk at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:41:45 -0400
Subject: Antw: Re: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <4FD70990020000400003755D@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.104145.0400.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I would be happy to take David Rood.  He is arriving around the same 
time I am.

Randy


-----Original Message-----
 From: Johannes Helmbrecht 
<Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE>
To: SIOUAN <SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:21 am
Subject: Antw: Re: SCLC update


Hi David,my flight details are: I will arrive at Kansas City airport on 
June 14, at4:43 pm (from Newark) flight number  CO 4181. Randy will 
take me with him toLawrence. I assume there is still space for others 
to join us?See youJohannes--  Professor Dr. Johannes 
HelmbrechtLehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende 
SprachwissenschaftFakultät für Sprach-, Literatur- und 
KulturwissenschaftenUniversität RegensburgUniversitätsstrasse 31D-93053 
RegensburgTel. 0941/943-3388Tel. 0941/943-3387 (Sekretariat)Fax. 
0941/943-2429 
Website:www-avs.uni-regensburg.deE-mail:johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni
-regensburg.de   >>> David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> schrieb am 
12.06.2012 um 02:23 
inNachricht<CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA at mail.gmai
l.com>:> Hi everyone,> > Let's make this my last call for any of you 
who are arriving at KCI (MCI)> and need a ride from the airport on 
Thurs.  So far we've only received a> few responses, from Mary Marino 
(1:25), Marty Richardson (3:45), and David> Rood (~6:30).  So, *please 
let us know by Weds if you need an airport> pick-up* (giving time of 
arrival), otherwise I will assume that you are> either driving in or 
have otherwise already made airport pick-up> arrangements.  We will 
decide between the three of us (Bob, Kathy, and me)> based on responses 
how many pick-ups need to be made and at what time(s).> > By the way, I 
am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall Thurs evening> just to 
assist the KU Housing employee in making sure things go smoothly as> 
far as check-in goes, and to collect your $15 conference fee if you 
have it> available (cash is probably best).  I will also give you your 
folder at> that time with program and other goodies.  If I don't see 
you then, you can> give me your fee on Fri.  (Remember, those of you 
driving onto campus on> Fri to the Wescoe conference room, you will 
have to pay an $8 parking fee> for the day at the gate).> > Oh, btw, my 
email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com.. : )  I don't> have a 
cell phone unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look> at 
it).> > Dave> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. 
<rankin at ku.edu> wrote:> > >  Dear friends,> >> > Right now the weather 
forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very> > reasonable.  Highs 
in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be> > ideal.  Dave and 
I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoonand/or> > evening.  
If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the> > Kansas 
City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and> > 
cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email 
addressesif> > you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to 
be able to phoneyou> > when we are approaching the terminals in order 
to let you know when to> > appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's 
address is dvkanthro2010 (at) > ku.eduand mine is rankin (at)> > 
ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.> >> > I 
haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I> 
 > had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking> 
 > forward to seeing everyone this weekend.> >> > Best,> >> > Bob> >> >  
------------------------------> > *From:* Siouan Linguistics 
[SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David> > Kaufman 
[dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM] > > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM> >> 
 > *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu > > *Subject:* SCLC update> >> >   Hi 
all,> >> > Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before 
you arrive.> > But here are a few things you should know:> >> > 1) In 
order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you> > 
arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are> > 
two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you 
have,> > you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to 
share a> > bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this 
means you will> > have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but 
with separate beds,> > which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all 
confusing to me too.)  In short,> > each suite has two bedrooms and one 
bath, four beds total.  A single room> > means you have your own 
bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still> > share a bathroom with 
the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes> > sense.)> >> > 2) 
*You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you> > 
arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet 
arrangements> > are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be 
good to go online> > once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and 
there is nothing elseyou> > need to do.> >> > 3) If you have handouts 
of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.> > If  you don't want to 
make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon> > provided in your 
conference folder for *discount copying at our local> > Office Depot*.  
There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there> > is no 
longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).> >> > I 
think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!> 
 >> > --> > David Kaufman, Ph.C.> > University of Kansas> > Linguistic 
Anthropology> >> >
  


From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun 13 22:32:17 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:32:17 -0500
Subject: Phone number for Halls
Message-ID: <WED.13.JUN.2012.173217.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

The phone number to call if you think you will be arriving at the Halls
after 10:00 p.m. Thurs is 785-424-3590.  If you have a cell phone, you can
call in advance of your arrival so that someone from Housing will be there
to meet you when you arrive at whatever hour (grad students are on call
24/7).  If you call after you arrive, you may have to wait up to 15 minutes
for someone to come to let you in, so phoning ahead while en route will be
faster.

Also, if you arrive before 5:00 on Thurs, no staff person will be on duty.
So, if you arrive early, you will have to wait until 5:00 to check in.  You
can tour around Lawrence, if you like, to kill time or go have a
beer/coffee, etc.  (The Oread Hotel is just a couple of blocks away with
bars, coffee, and restaurants.)

See you soon!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jun 14 15:35:00 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:35:00 -0500
Subject: Phone number for Halls
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjTu9NQkdn3yB8zozHzbNB7yfTXN5Bhg8H+0DdTn6idJZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.JUN.2012.103500.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

David:
Wescoe is the four floor building where we had Kaqchikel classes with Emily Tummons, Right?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Kaufman 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:32 PM
  Subject: Phone number for Halls


  Hi all,

  The phone number to call if you think you will be arriving at the Halls after 10:00 p.m. Thurs is 785-424-3590.  If you have a cell phone, you can call in advance of your arrival so that someone from Housing will be there to meet you when you arrive at whatever hour (grad students are on call 24/7).  If you call after you arrive, you may have to wait up to 15 minutes for someone to come to let you in, so phoning ahead while en route will be faster.

  Also, if you arrive before 5:00 on Thurs, no staff person will be on duty.  So, if you arrive early, you will have to wait until 5:00 to check in.  You can tour around Lawrence, if you like, to kill time or go have a beer/coffee, etc.  (The Oread Hotel is just a couple of blocks away with bars, coffee, and restaurants.)

  See you soon!

  -- 
  David Kaufman, Ph.C.
  University of Kansas
  Linguistic Anthropology

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From saponi360 at YAHOO.COM  Tue Jun 19 18:47:42 2012
From: saponi360 at YAHOO.COM (Scott Collins)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:47:42 -0700
Subject: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC623620FA2@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.114742.0700.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

For Bald Cypress, based on the word in Biloxi which is borrowed word from Choctaw, I have come up with the following in Tutel-Saponi for this word:
 
xa:pi -xti -ta dalanon ho oto:
 
dalanon ho = shake ir shaking or moving fast in a back and forth manner
oto: = leaf  (also means grass)
 
xa:pi = bark
-xti = augmentative
-ta = great or big
 
xa:pi -xti -ta this is in refernce to the trunk  and dalanon ho oto: in reference to the 'shaking leaves' from the definition of the Choctaw word kolo as in shan-kolo.
 
Literally the big trunked tree with shaking leaves.


Scott P. Collins
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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“Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.”

"The greater the denial the greater the awakening."

--- On Sun, 5/13/12, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU> wrote:


From: Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 4:36 PM


Here in Kansas the farmers call osage oranges "hedge apples".  The tree is often called simply "hedge".  It makes a forbidding boundary because of those long, nasty thorns.  Which reminds me, "thorn apple" is another term I've heard.  And, yes, Tutelo should have retained the /xąte/ or /xǫte/ pronunciation pretty much intact.  We project that the original meaning was 'juniper'.

Bob

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:30 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi

I know that among our people of Saponi that the "Cedar" a.k.a. Juniper and the Cypress are sacred trees used for various things such as guarding graves and protection. Seems that there is no actual true cedar species in North America that is native. The trees refered to as cedars are actually either cypress trees or juniper trees. It is interesting that you bring up the subject of the Osage Orange tree, I was raised to call it the Horse Apple tree.

/xąte/ or /xǫte/   this is your projected word in Tutelo-Saponi for cedar correct?





Scott P. Collins
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From: Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 1:30 PM

There's a proto-Siouan 'cedar' word.  I'll get it for you.

"Yellow wood" in the Dhegiha languages is reserved for the wood of the Osage orange.  It was also called "the bow wood tree" because of the resilience of the branches.  This is why it's called "bois d'arc" in French.  Cedar was considered holy among the Siouan tribes of the plains, but I don't know how far back East this goes.

The udi term in Biloxi is from proto-Siouan *hu:de which refers to the base or trunk of any object.  It occurs in lots of tree names.

>From the Comparative Siouan Dictionary:

GLOSS[ juniper, red cedar

PSI[ *xąte

MAndan[ óxtąre ~ óxtą ‘cedar’ H-134

MA[ oxtą́ ‘pine tree?’ C

MA[ oxtą́• ‘sage?’ C



PMV[ *xą́te

LAkota[ xąté ‘cedar’ C

DAkota[ †xąté “ḣaŋté” ‘cedar’ R-162a

Omaha-Ponca[ †xąde “áxoⁿdepa” ‘wrist guard’ FLF-225

Kanza[ xą́ǰe ‘cedar’ RR

OSage[ †xą́ce “xoⁿ´dse” ‘red cedar’ LF-219a

QUapaw[ xtté ‘cedar’ RR

QU[ xǫttéhi ‘cedar’ JOD



OTHLGS[ JEK: Iroquoian, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga ohnéhtaʔ, Huron “xahⁿdéhtaʔ”,

Wyandot “andeta”, Tuscarora uhtéhneh, Mithun (1984, 270).



COMmentary[ The OP term refers to a packet strapped to the sacred (cedar) pole:

|a-| ‘on, upon’, |xąde| ‘cedar’, |-pa| ‘locative (?)’. (Analysis from JEK).

The BI term for ‘cedar’ is borrowed from Western Muskogean. QU stress has

shifted; it must have been initial earlier in order for the |*t| to geminate.

The MA root appears to exhibit an irregular syncope.  Cedar has sacred

properties among all or most of the Siouan-speaking peoples.


Note the look-alikes in Iroquoian languages.  Numeroąus tree names are widespread terms.


>From these comparative data I would project the Tutelo word to be very similar, probably something very close to /xąte/ or /xǫte/, where /x/ is a gutteral sound like the "ch" of German Ach!  Or Achtung!, words everybody knows from the movies.


The wasti word in Tutelo corresponds to the general Siouan term for 'pine', but could possibly mean 'cedar' also.


Bob
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From rankin at KU.EDU  Wed Jun 20 01:52:04 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:52:04 +0000
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.015204.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.

I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.

Bob
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The Wichita Eagle

It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil for Kansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensis will become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typify Kansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at the Field Museum (in Chicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of western Kansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.
"In Kansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only in Kansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in the Sternberg Museum's collection in Hays.
Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in the Ohio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now the Kansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-day Kansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move to Indian Territory, in present-day Oklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."
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From carudin1 at WSC.EDU  Wed Jun 20 14:23:49 2012
From: carudin1 at WSC.EDU (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:23:49 -0500
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.092349.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

This is great!  
And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L."  06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>
P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.

I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.

Bob
==============================
TheWichita Eagle

It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil forKansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensiswill become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typifyKansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at theFieldMuseum (inChicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of westernKansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.
"InKansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only inKansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in theSternbergMuseum's collection in Hays.
Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in theOhio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now theKansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-dayKansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move toIndian Territory, in present-dayOklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."

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From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun 20 15:46:06 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:46:06 -0500
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
In-Reply-To: <4FE196A50200008E0005EF8B@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.104606.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I will reiterate the appreciation to Dave & Bob for setting the stage for one of the most extraordinary conferences in memory with an array of new language focused subjects heard for the first time.  Appreciation also to each of the presenters and those who were in attendance as well.
It definitely called for the celebration of the leaping lizards of Kansas, as addressed in the Wichita Newspaper below. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Catherine Rudin 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux


  This is great!  
  And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
  Catherine

  >>> "Rankin, Robert L." 06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>

  Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.

  I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.

  Bob
  ==============================

  The Wichita Eagle


  It has finally happened.

  Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil for Kansas has succeeded.

  Tylosaurus kansasensis will become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.

  Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.

  "It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.

  "If you were going to pick a fossil that would typify Kansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."

  Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.

  "The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at the Field Museum (in Chicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."

  This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.

  At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.

  The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.

  Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of western Kansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.

  The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.

  "They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."

  They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.

  "In Kansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."

  This particular species of mosasaur has been found only in Kansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in the Sternberg Museum's collection in Hays.

  Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.

  In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all of the known specimens have been collected."

  The Kanza people originally lived in the Ohio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now the Kansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-day Kansas.

  In 1873, the tribe was forced to move to Indian Territory, in present-day Oklahoma.

  Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.

  "The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."


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From rankin at KU.EDU  Wed Jun 20 21:40:08 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:40:08 +0000
Subject: A slight correction.
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.214008.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him on-line.  Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God Save the King!

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From shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK  Wed Jun 20 23:46:08 2012
From: shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:46:08 +0100
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
In-Reply-To: <4FE196A50200008E0005EF8B@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.004608.0100.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear All,
It seems that it was a really good conference.  I hope to be able to come again one year, maybe next year.  Problems over here have kept me at home, but I still study Lakota and am learning a lot.  Hope you are all well.  I am an eager follower of the Siouan List. Great news about the uŋkčheǧila.
Regards
Bruce

--- On Wed, 20/6/12, Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at WSC.EDU> wrote:

From: Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at WSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Wednesday, 20 June, 2012, 15:23

This is great!  
And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L."  06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>



 
#yiv225807946 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}



Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate. 
 I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.



I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.



Bob

==============================



#yiv225807946 st1\00003a*{}


The
Wichita Eagle


It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil for
Kansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensis
will become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known
 as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator
 of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typify
Kansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name
 of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting
 in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at the
Field
Museum (in
Chicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of western
Kansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.
"In
Kansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only in
Kansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in the
Sternberg
Museum's collection in Hays.
Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where
 all of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in the
Ohio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now the
Kansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-day
Kansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move to
Indian Territory, in present-day
Oklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of
 lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."



Reach Beccy Tanner at 268-6336 or
btanner at wichitaeagle.com.
















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From mary.marino at USASK.CA  Thu Jun 21 06:15:13 2012
From: mary.marino at USASK.CA (Mary C Marino)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:15:13 -0600
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC623625B67@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.001513.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with us.  
My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the airport - 
this was a truly memorable SCLC.

Next year in Vermilion!

Mary


On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
> At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, 
> Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo 
> was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution he fought the 
> colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was 
> proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red 
> Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him 
> on-line.  Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God 
> Save the King!
>
> Bob
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From shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK  Thu Jun 21 17:27:39 2012
From: shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:27:39 +0100
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <4FE2BBF1.7050801@usask.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.182739.0100.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I could not possibly comment.  When I wrote my English-Lakota dictionary, I sent a copy to Prince Charles, who is very keen on tribal societies etc. In the accompanying letter I added that they (the Dakotas I think) were on our side in the war of 1812, although I don't think they were actually called upon to do anything.
Bruce 

--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA> wrote:

From: Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA>
Subject: Re: A slight correction.
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 7:15


  

    
  
    Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with
    us.  My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the
    airport - this was a truly memorable SCLC.

    

    Next year in Vermilion!

    

    Mary

    

    

    On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
    
      
      #yiv1757964866 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}
      
        At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo,
        Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old
        when his photo was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution
          he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812. 
          In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and
          especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo. 
          You can find that photo of him on-line.  Ted Turner ought to
          "colorize" the coat bright red.  God Save the King!

          

          Bob

        
        
          
            
              
                
                  

                  
                
              
            
          
        
      
    
    

  
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From rlarson1 at UNL.EDU  Thu Jun 21 21:13:09 2012
From: rlarson1 at UNL.EDU (Rory Larson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:13:09 +0000
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <1340299659.65296.YahooMailClassic@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.211309.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

My understanding is that there was a split, according to which major river basin they mainly dwelt in.  The Santee (Dakota), Sauk and Fox, and Ioway in the upper Mississippi basin took the side of the British, I would guess because they were the ones immediately threatened by white American settlers.  But their western counterparts on the Missouri, the Yankton and the Teton (Lakota), the Omaha, Ponca and Otoes, were converted to the U.S. cause by the Bellevue trader Manuel Lisa.  The western coalition raised a substantial force around the end of the war and hit the Ioway, Sauk and Fox pretty hard, as with the battle of New Orleans after the war had officially ended but before anyone here knew about it.  The Santee may not have seen any fighting, but that was likely because they were checked by the Yankton and Teton, who threatened to attack them from the rear if they moved against the Americans.

Rory


From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of shokooh Ingham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:28 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: A slight correction.

I could not possibly comment.  When I wrote my English-Lakota dictionary, I sent a copy to Prince Charles, who is very keen on tribal societies etc. In the accompanying letter I added that they (the Dakotas I think) were on our side in the war of 1812, although I don't think they were actually called upon to do anything.
Bruce

--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA<mailto:mary.marino at USASK.CA>> wrote:

From: Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA<mailto:mary.marino at USASK.CA>>
Subject: Re: A slight correction.
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu<mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 7:15
Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with us.  My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the airport - this was a truly memorable SCLC.

Next year in Vermilion!

Mary


On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him on-line.  Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God Save the King!

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From Greer-J at MSSU.EDU  Thu Jun 21 23:12:36 2012
From: Greer-J at MSSU.EDU (Greer, Jill)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:12:36 +0000
Subject: National Library of France photos
In-Reply-To: <20120523135911.ca82n3xmzosco44o@webmail.iu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.231236.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

It may not be relevant,  but there is an albino population of bears in an area of Western Canada (possibly an island),  which has been identified in the eco-rights movement as the "spirit bear" as a "Native" label,  and its habitat is supposed to be in the pathway of a proposed pipeline by TransCanada (another one, yes) to the Pacific Coast there.  I've forgotten which groups (Defenders of Wildlife, Sierra Club, National Wildlife Defense Fund, etc.) send the info out to me,  but I found the albinism very interesting,  considering the significance of White Buffalo, etc.  for Lakota, and other groups.

Also,  the Bear Claw necklace is found with other Siouan (and possibly other) groups - including members of clans other than Bear Clan.  Possibly they had an heirloom status beyond the original purpose,  just as the medallions from treaties seem to have been passed down in families.  Sometimes doctor societies might have had a bear association,  as well as the well-known buffalo doctors.  Someone else might speak to that - Mark?

By the way,  the papers, the company, and the Lawrence experience were all great.  Thanks to David Kaufman, Kathy Shea, and Bob Rankin for all their efforts.  The hard work is much appreciated!

Jill


Dr. Jill D. Greer
Associate Professor
Social Science Department
MSSU
3950 E. Newman Road
Joplin, MO  64801
417.625.9795
Greer-j at mssu.edu



-----Original Message-----
From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Cumberland, Linda A
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:59 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: National Library of France photos

Justin McBride wrote a detailed label to the photo that pins it down:
"Portrait (Front) of MinchuZhinga (Young Grizzly Bear) or (Little Bear) in Native Dress with Bear Claw Necklace, Headdress and Ornaments and Holding Sword 1869. by Shindler, Antonio(n) Zeno. NAA INV 06622000 OPPS NEG 04250".  I wonder if "OPPS" is something like "opposite", as in opposite direction -- which could explain the revers effect I described before. I notice, too, that Justin's label makes note of minchu
(miNcho) meaning grizzly bear, as opposed to the black bear, wasabe. I have also seen this photo labeled "Little White Bear", which reminds me of a thread on this list a while back that discussed "white bear" as meaning "grizzly bear". -Linda

Quoting "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU>:

> Thanks for the info.  Oddly, he doesn't look a bit like the MiNcho
> ZhiNga portrait by Catlin.  I thought it must be good old Washunga.
>
> Bob
>
> #2 on p4 is, indeed, "Little Bear" - MiNcho ZhiNga. I have this
> hanging in my office, but reversed and cropped to a head and shoulder
> shot. I always assumed that there was a link between his name and the
> fact that he's wearing a bear claw necklace. In my copy, he's gazing
> the other way,and he seems to hold the sword in his right hand, not
> his left. The copy in this collection is undoubtedly the correct perspective.
> - Linda
>
> Quoting "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU>:
>
>> Thanks for bringing these to our attention.  A very nice collection.
>>
>> A couple of observations:  Number 14 on p. 1, the man labeled "Little
>> Bird" (Dakota) is also sometimes identified as the Kaw Indian named
>> "Pi Sing" in photos.  One of them is displayed in Kaw Tribal
>> Headquarters.
>>
>> Number 2 on p. 4 is also Kaw and is identified as such, but I'm not
>> sure the name is correct.  He certainly looks like Washunga to me.
>> Linda can correct me on this.
>>
>> Bob
>> ________________________________
>> From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of
>> Robert Myers [geocultural at YAHOO.COM]
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:35 PM
>> To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>> Subject: National Library of France photos
>>
>> Siouan Linguistics list members might be interested to view nearly
>> 200 historic photographs of Great Plains Indian tribal members with
>> personal names and English translations, posted by the National
>> Library of France. These are WONDERFUL photos.
>>
>> http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b2300362q
>>
>> Robert Myers
>> Champaign, IL
>>
>



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From carudin1 at WSC.EDU  Fri Jun 22 01:14:33 2012
From: carudin1 at WSC.EDU (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:14:33 -0500
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.201433.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Bruce, you've been missed!  I hope you'll make it next time,
C

>>> shokooh Ingham  06/20/12 6:48 PM >>>
Dear All,
It seems that it was a really good conference.  I hope to be able to
come again one year, maybe next year.  Problems over here have kept me
at home, but I still study Lakota and am learning a lot.  Hope you are
all well.  I am an eager follower of the Siouan List. Great news about
the uŋkčheǧila.
Regards
Bruce

--- On Wed, 20/6/12, Catherine Rudin  wrote:

From: Catherine Rudin 
Subject: Re: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Wednesday, 20 June, 2012, 15:23

This is great!  
And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and
especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L."  06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>
 #yiv225807946 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Here is the Wichita
newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the
Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper
on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up,
but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for
names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga"
'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the
essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45
feet.

I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest
ever.

Bob
==============================
#yiv225807946 st1\00003a*{}TheWichita Eagle

It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur
fossil forKansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensiswill become the official Latin name of a giant sea
lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal
of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that
lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as
"je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning
"great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where
most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of
vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History
Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typifyKansas, a mosasaur
is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the
Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of
the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart
said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes
in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex
Sue at theFieldMuseum (inChicago) is one that does. I want this one to
also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a
mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these
rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of westernKansas have
been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the
Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were
among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart
said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey
whole.
"InKansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart
said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only inKansas, he
said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known
specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains
credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza
Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all
of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in theOhio River valley. By the early
1800s, they had moved to what is now theKansas, or Kaw, River valley to
claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-dayKansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move toIndian Territory, in
present-dayOklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with
the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy
for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser
importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the
world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going
back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."

Reach Beccy Tanner at 268-6336 orbtanner at wichitaeagle.com.







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From george.wilmes at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jun 22 22:25:39 2012
From: george.wilmes at GMAIL.COM (George Wilmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:25:39 -0500
Subject: Siouan data on new endangered languages site
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.172539.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I saw this recent posting on the Linguist List regarding a new site
for sharing resources on endangered languages:

http://linguistlist.org/issues/23/23-2792.html

The site has a number of Siouan languages listed, but since it is new
(they're only one year into their three-year NSF grant), there is not
much data there yet. However, there are already a few audio samples on
the Crow page:

http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/lang/2008

The group that is running it includes tribes, universities, etc.:

http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/about/#about_alliance


From david.rood at COLORADO.EDU  Sat Jun 23 02:42:25 2012
From: david.rood at COLORADO.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:42:25 -0600
Subject: conference comment
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.204225.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I would like to join the chorus of praise and thanks to Dave, Bob and 
Kathy for the wonderful conference just completed.  It is gratifying to 
see how this field has matured while still remaining welcoming to both 
students and Native people.

Best wishes,
 	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


From shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK  Sat Jun 23 11:08:38 2012
From: shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:08:38 +0100
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <3F809074BD07B04283173B6B8AE833C81C328B34@BL2PRD0810MB349.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.23.JUN.2012.120838.0100.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Interesting.  Thanks for the additional info.
Bruce

--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Rory Larson <rlarson1 at UNL.EDU> wrote:

From: Rory Larson <rlarson1 at UNL.EDU>
Subject: Re: A slight correction.
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 22:13



 
 



My understanding is that there was a split, according to which major river basin they mainly dwelt in.  The Santee (Dakota), Sauk and Fox, and Ioway in the
 upper Mississippi basin took the side of the British, I would guess because they were the ones immediately threatened by white American settlers.  But their western counterparts on the Missouri, the Yankton and the Teton (Lakota), the Omaha, Ponca and Otoes,
 were converted to the U.S. cause by the Bellevue trader Manuel Lisa.  The western coalition raised a substantial force around the end of the war and hit the Ioway, Sauk and Fox pretty hard, as with the battle of New Orleans after the war had officially ended
 but before anyone here knew about it.  The Santee may not have seen any fighting, but that was likely because they were checked by the Yankton and Teton, who threatened to attack them from the rear if they moved against the Americans. 
   
Rory 
   
   

From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu]
On Behalf Of shokooh Ingham

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:28 PM

To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: Re: A slight correction. 

   




I could not possibly comment.  When I wrote my English-Lakota dictionary, I sent a copy to Prince Charles, who is very keen on tribal societies etc. In the accompanying letter I added that they (the Dakotas I think) were on our side in
 the war of 1812, although I don't think they were actually called upon to do anything.

Bruce 



--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA> wrote: 


From: Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA>

Subject: Re: A slight correction.

To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu

Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 7:15 


Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with us.  My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the airport - this was a truly memorable SCLC.



Next year in Vermilion!



Mary





On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:  

At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo was taken   I don't
 think it was the American Revolution he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him on-line. 
 Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God Save the King!



Bob 




















   


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From rankin at KU.EDU  Sat Jun 23 19:59:52 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:59:52 +0000
Subject: conference comment
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1206221953450.12402@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.23.JUN.2012.195952.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Thanks for the kind words.  Dave and Kathy did a great job.  I just sort of sidewalk-superivsed.  

For those who didn't make it to Lawrence this year, next year's Siouan and Caddoan Conference will be held at the University of South Dakota at Vermillion, thanks to planning by David, John and Armik, who is at USD.  After the meetings were over I talked with Marty Richardson and Doug Parks both of whom expressed interest in hosting a future meeting at the University of North Carolina and Indiana University respectively.  I hope both will be able to follow up on this as time goes on.  Right now we have no definite commitment for 2014 yet.  

Best,

Bob

________________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of ROOD DAVID S [david.rood at COLORADO.EDU]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:42 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: conference comment

I would like to join the chorus of praise and thanks to Dave, Bob and
Kathy for the wonderful conference just completed.  It is gratifying to
see how this field has matured while still remaining welcoming to both
students and Native people.

Best wishes,
        David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


From david.rood at COLORADO.EDU  Sun Jun 24 03:31:52 2012
From: david.rood at COLORADO.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:31:52 -0600
Subject: endangeredlanguages.com launched (fwd)
Message-ID: <SAT.23.JUN.2012.213152.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear Siouanists,
 	Some of you may be interested in this European development.  Paul 
Trilsbeek works for the DoBeS project at the Max Planck Institute in 
Nijmegen, the Netherlands and is the primary correspondent for the various 
issues concerning ELAN.  The "Sebastian" whom he mentions is another 
participant at Max Planck, Sebastian Drude, who has done some very 
interesting documentation work with a Brazilian language.
 	Best,
 	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:22:09 +0200
From: Paul Trilsbeek <Paul.Trilsbeek at mpi.nl>
To: "dobeslist at mpi.nl" <dobeslist at mpi.nl>
Subject: endangeredlanguages.com launched

Dear DOBES colleagues,

This morning the site endangeredlanguages.com was launched, which is the result of the Endangered Languages Project, the collaboration between Linguist List, University of Hawaii and Google.org that I wrote to you about in October last year. Some of you have contributed some samples to the site, if others still wish to do so after seeing the site this would still be possible.

The idea is that the project and the website will at some point (some months after launch) be governed by what they call the Alliance for Linguistic Diversity. Some of you are in this already, also we as The Language Archive (TLA) have chosen to be part of that in order to have a say in how the project and the site develop in the future and to see whether we can play a role in the preservation of material that is contributed to the site. If you are interested in being part of that alliance as well, you can apply for that on the site.

Sebastian and myself are also members of the Alliance Advisory Committee, for the same reasons as above.

I think the site has turned out quite nicely but of course there's always room for improvement. I suggest that you have a look at the site yourself and make any comments, suggestions, complaints, etc. known either via the site itself or through us. We will have (virtual) meetings with the advisory committee on a regular basis and can bring your points to the attention of the people implementing the site.

Earlier this week we learned that - contrary to what was said before - it is possible that advertisements appear within uploaded videos on the site if the person who uploaded the video chooses to activate the advertisements in order to possibly earn some money from them. This is because YouTube is the tool that is used for video uploading and playback in the site and YouTube offers this feature. Hopefully not too many people will choose to enable this, although perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if speech communities could use this as a way to generate some income from their contributions to the site.

Some more information you can find in Google's blog post and of course on the site itself:

http://googleblog.blogspot.nl/2012/06/endangered-languages-project-supporting.html

http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/

Best regards,

Paul


From carudin1 at WSC.EDU  Fri Jun  1 03:28:06 2012
From: carudin1 at WSC.EDU (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:28:06 -0500
Subject: SCLC room update
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2012.222806.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I reserved a double for myself and my husband, Ali Eminov.  
Catherine

>>> David Kaufman  05/31/12 1:03 PM >>>
Hi all,

Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:

1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to help you and go over safety proedures;
3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one) but a few have separate beds.
4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q grill;
6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may gather after conference hours;    
7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a regular key to your room;
9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and between those times;
10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side room at the Hall;
11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks, leftovers, etc.
12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.

Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with.  I have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how many people in each room.

Thanks!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology


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From ryan.kasak at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jun  1 21:06:49 2012
From: ryan.kasak at GMAIL.COM (Ryan Kasak)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:06:49 -0500
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUN.2012.160649.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hello David,

I booked a single for myself for the SCLC.  I'll be driving down the the
rest of the Northeastern Illinois University group.  Please let me know if
you need any more information than that.

Best,

Ryan

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM, David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you
> arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:
>
> 1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
> 2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to
> help you and go over safety proedures;
> 3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds,
> single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two
> sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one)
> but a few have separate beds.
> 4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
> 5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q
> grill;
> 6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may
> gather after conference hours;
> 7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
> 8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a
> regular key to your room;
> 9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and
> 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an
> emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and
> between those times;
> 10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side
> room at the Hall;
> 11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks,
> leftovers, etc.
> 12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.
>
> Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you *please
> send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the
> name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with*.  I have to give KU
> Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how
> many people in each room.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>
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From Greer-J at MSSU.EDU  Fri Jun  1 22:16:20 2012
From: Greer-J at MSSU.EDU (Greer, Jill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:16:20 +0000
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CA+kNN0nwDqoT8E0_FvYXmtasSBoGkvOEPOAtfiNjkAOUwqcG5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUN.2012.221620.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi, Dave,



I'm sorry if this is a duplicate -  I bumped my mouse on the earlier version, and didn't get a copy myself, so I was afraid it didn't go through at all.



I have a double for Lori Stanley and myself to share.  Thanks!



Jill





________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Ryan Kasak [ryan.kasak at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:06 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: SCLC room update

Hello David,

I booked a single for myself for the SCLC.  I'll be driving down the the rest of the Northeastern Illinois University group.  Please let me know if you need any more information than that.

Best,

Ryan

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM, David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at gmail.com<mailto:dvkanth2010 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:

1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to help you and go over safety proedures;
3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one) but a few have separate beds.
4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q grill;
6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may gather after conference hours;
7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a regular key to your room;
9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and between those times;
10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side room at the Hall;
11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks, leftovers, etc.
12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.

Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with.  I have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how many people in each room.

Thanks!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology




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From rgraczyk at AOL.COM  Fri Jun  1 23:01:41 2012
From: rgraczyk at AOL.COM (rgraczyk at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:01:41 -0400
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.JUN.2012.190141.0400.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I reserved a single room.

Randy Graczyk


-----Original Message-----
From: David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>
To: SIOUAN <SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 11:32 am
Subject: SCLC room update


Hi all,

Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when 
you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:

1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene 
to help you and go over safety proedures;
3) rooms are either single or double.? Double rooms will have four 
beds, single rooms two.? Each single or double room shares one bathroom 
(with two sinks).? Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder 
for top one) but a few have separate beds.
4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a 
bar-b-q grill;
6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may 
gather after conference hours; ??
7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a 
regular key to your room;
9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am 
and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.? There will 
be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency 
after and between those times;
10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side 
room at the Hall;
11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep 
snacks, leftovers, etc.
12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.

Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you 
please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please 
indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with.? I 
have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to 
allot and for how many people in each room.

Thanks!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology


  


From mary.marino at USASK.CA  Sat Jun  2 07:45:48 2012
From: mary.marino at USASK.CA (Mary C Marino)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:45:48 -0600
Subject: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.JUN.2012.014548.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hello David

I reserved a single room.

Mary Marino



On 31/05/2012 11:29 AM, David Kaufman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when 
> you arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:
>
> 1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
> 2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene 
> to help you and go over safety proedures;
> 3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four 
> beds, single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one 
> bathroom (with two sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed 
> (with ladder for top one) but a few have separate beds.
> 4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
> 5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a 
> bar-b-q grill;
> 6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may 
> gather after conference hours;
> 7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
> 8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a 
> regular key to your room;
> 9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am 
> and 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There 
> will be an emergency contact number to reach someone in case of 
> emergency after and between those times;
> 10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side 
> room at the Hall;
> 11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep 
> snacks, leftovers, etc.
> 12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.
>
> Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you 
> *please send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please 
> indicate the name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with*.  I 
> have to give KU Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to 
> allot and for how many people in each room.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- 
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>

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From rlarson1 at UNL.EDU  Sun Jun  3 21:45:25 2012
From: rlarson1 at UNL.EDU (Rory Larson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:45:25 +0000
Subject: hunka/honga, etc.
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC6236217BC@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.JUN.2012.214525.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

For Omaha *h???ka, hoNga, we have:

    nudo`N-hoNga as noted in the CSD below (that entry has a couple of typoes in the spelling), meaning 'boss' or 'leader (of any activity)' today, but originally meaning the leader of a war party, where nudo`N means 'warrior'.

    the Honga clan, which Fletcher and La Flesche gloss as 'leader' or 'first', and which they suggest was once the name of the entire tribe.

    ppa-ho`Nga, meaning 'first', 'beginning', or 'front of the line', where ppa means 'head'.

    ni`-hoNga, meaning a natural spring, or the 'head' or 'source' of a flow of water.

In Omaha, hoNga seems to mean 'head', in a metaphorical social, spacial or temporal sense.


Riggs has an interesting series of huNka entries for Dakota that revolve around 'ancestor', 'parent', 'elder brother' or 'honored relative', including a ceremony in which an esteemed adoptee becomes huNka to the one that adopted him.  One of Buechel's entries adds any close relative, parent or sibling, into the mix.

For Dakotan, it looks like huNka means an elder or otherwise especially esteemed relative.


I'm wondering if final -*ka on this word isn't the determinative suffix we find on a lot of stative verbs and animal names?  In that case, *h???ka would be a stative generalizer on the root *h??, and it would be that root we would really want to look at.

I believe both Lakhota and Omaha are peculiar in having two roots for 'mother'.  For the vocative term speaking to her, or in Lakhota about one's own, the root is *naN.  For the referential term used in speaking about her, the root is *huN.  If this *huN is the same root as in *h???ka, that might suggest that an original kin term *naN for 'mother' was replaced by a more formal and less touchy term meaning 'parent' or 'elder' when speaking about her.  That would match well with the Dakotan huNka meanings.

In Omaha, we have the term iho`NriNge meaning 'orphan'.  That should mean 'motherless', where iho`N means 'mother' and riNge means 'none' or 'lacking'.  But given the force of the term and the tendency for Native North Americans to be raised by their grandmothers or other relatives anyway, I wonder if the sense isn't the starker one of having no elders at all to take care of one.  In that case, *huN again would more broadly imply 'elder relative' rather than simply 'mother'.

Among the Omaha, there is a reluctance for women to speak publicly.  If a woman has something she wants said to the group, she may select someone to speak for her, who ideally is an elder male relative.  (This practice isn't strictly determined by age or sex- a woman may choose to speak for herself, or she may have a son speak for her if she has no elder male relatives, and likely a bashful or speech-impaired male could request the same boon- but it is the archetype.)  Asking someone to speak for you is called waho`Nre, and speaking for someone else in this capacity is called waho`Ne.  The wa- is the generalizing *wa-, -re is the causative, and -e here probably means 'say' or 'speak'.  That leaves a lexical morpheme *hoN.  I would suggest that the idea of wa-ho`N-re is to make someone your responsible parent or elder in the sense of giving them power of attorney over what you want said, and that wa-ho`N-e is to speak for someone in the capacity of their responsible elder.  I!
 f that interpretation is correct, the *huN (if it is MVS *huN and not *haN) again means 'elder'.

We have the word uwa`kkihoN (or ua`kkihoN ? or uwa`akkihoN ?), meaning 'progeny' or 'descendants'.  I'm not sure of the exact series of prefixes here or how to analyze them, but the lexical morpheme at the end is -hoN, and the whole word refers to kinship in a generational sense.  Perhaps it means those that descend from one *huN, or ancestor.  This word is also incorporated into the term zhiNga`-uwakkihoN, 'the younger generation'.

There is also an instrumental verbal series of -hoN words that may or may not have anything to do with this root.  We have ra-hoN, to 'thank' or perhaps 'worship'.  The instrumental prefix here is ra-, 'by means of the mouth', and this implies making the object hoN by speaking.  That might imply making the thanked or worshipped one an esteemed elder to one, or it might mean raising them up by speech.  The other -hoN verbs imply literally lifting or raising something: ri-hoN, to lift something light by hand; ga-hoN, to lift something heavy enough to require two people; a-hoN, to lift up or onto; noNkki a-hoN, to lift up with a pulley.


It seems to me that the *huN term and its statively generalized counterpart *huN-ka most likely originally meant 'elder relative' or 'parent', with the strong connotation of 'esteemed authority figure'.  This would hail from an earlier time when people lived in small bands perhaps centered on one or two sovereign men with their wives and children.  Status would be by seniority, and the leading couple(s) would be 'parents' or *huN to all the younger people in the band.  They would also, in effect, be the chiefs of the band, and would make the group decisions and speak for the group to outsiders.  They would be at once parents and ancestors, leaders and chiefs, spokespersons, and commanders of esteem and deference from the youngsters.

That would immediately give us the 'parent', 'ancestor' and 'elder relative' terms we find for *h???ka in Mandan and Dakotan, and by an easy semantic transfer the 'chief' terms we find in Dakotan, Winnebago-Chiwere and Dhegiha.  In Dhegiha, there would seem to be a further metaphorical transference from 'chief' to the 'head' of a line and from 'parent' to the 'source' or head of a stream of water.  The HoNga clan name would probably have an historical origin, perhaps as an elite "elder" or leading sub-group within a confederation of bands that became the original Dhegiha people.  In any case, I think that term is probably well-rooted in Siouan, at least for the past couple of thousand years, as Bob suggests.


Some maundering thoughts on this anyway.

Best,
Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Rankin, Robert L.
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:45 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: hunka/honga, etc.

Mark et al.

There is no really straightforward answer to the question.  The term occurs in all Mississippi Valley Siouan languages and Mandan with the meanings indicated below.  It does not occur in Missouri River Siouan or Ohio Valley Siouan as far as we have been able to determine.  This means that the term is probably a good 2000 years old at least within Siouan.  I don't know what your contact's source is, but it is highly unlikely that anyone would "remember" where it comes from or whether it came from outside Siouan.  It might, of course, in which case the place to look for similar terms would be Algonquian.  Other possibilities include Caddoan, but no one has suggested a source.  Below is the CSD entry.  We debated the meaning/source and came up with basically nothing.


PSI[ *h???ka

MA[ h??ka ?parent? H-83



PMV[ *h???ka

PDA[ *h?k?

LA[ h?k? ?ancestor, chief, elder, relative? C

DA[ ?h?k? ?hu?k?? ?parent, ancestor? R-157b

ST[ h?g? ?chief? PAS


PWC[*h???ke

CH[ h???ge ?chief? RR

WI[ h???k KM-1617 ?chief?



PDH[ *h??ka RR

OP[ nad?h?ga ?chief? RR, ?war leader? SW-34

KS[ h??ga ?gens name?; dod??h?ga ?war leader? RR

OS[ ?h??ka ?ho??ga? ?eagle, sacred one, moiety name? LF-65b

QU[ tot??h?ka ?war captain? JOD



COM[ Length and accentual pattern suggest there may have been an old initial

syllable, probably the possessive {*i-}.  The proto-DH form may have had

{??}, but most of the evidence comes from unstressed forms where |?| and

|?| have fallen together more or less completely. La Flesche?s OS does not

distinguish the two even in accented position.  Jimm Good Tracks 92:28 reports that this

term has the broader meaning ?blessed one (who has been prayed/sung over)?.

This may in fact be closer to the original meaning, since it encompasses

virtually all of the derived meanings.  I invite Jimm to comment further.

Bob
________________________________
> A graduate student here at UNL forwarded this inquiry.
Any suggestions, please?  Thank you,
Mark Awakuni-Swetland

> Do you know where the term Hunka originated?  One of my sources talked about how it is not a Siouan word and was borrowed from some other tribe/language group.  I thought perhaps you might have some info on this.


From Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE  Mon Jun  4 07:32:49 2012
From: Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE (Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:32:49 +0200
Subject: Antw: SCLC room update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.4.JUN.2012.093249.0200.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear David,

I reserved a single room.

Best
Johannes




-- 

 
Professor Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Fakult?t f?r Sprach-, Literatur- und Kulturwissenschaften
Universit?t Regensburg
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Tel. 0941/943-3388
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Fax. 0941/943-2429
 
Website:
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>>> David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> schrieb am 31.05.2012 um 19:29 in
Nachricht
<CAKapKjT_6ebO2zx7-KEKFc2=BqfXpTMzL=LcZRRZqeT-P3pT6Q at mail.gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
> 
> Per my meeting with KU Housing yesterday, here is what to expect when you
> arrive at the Margaret Amini Hall:
> 
> 1) no parking permit is needed to park in the lot next to the Hall;
> 2) when you first arrive, there will be someone from Housing on scene to
> help you and go over safety proedures;
> 3) rooms are either single or double.  Double rooms will have four beds,
> single rooms two.  Each single or double room shares one bathroom (with two
> sinks).  Many of the rooms will have a bunk bed (with ladder for top one)
> but a few have separate beds.
> 4) fresh linens will be available daily, including towels;
> 5) there are patios for smoking or gathering outdoors, one with a bar-b-q
> grill;
> 6) there is an inside lounge/sitting area (with piano) where you may gather
> after conference hours;
> 7) you will be given an internet access code when you arrive;
> 8) you will be given an electronic key to access the front door and a
> regular key to your room;
> 9) there will be a KU Housing attendant on hand Fri from 7:00-10:00 am and
> 5:00-10:00 pm and weekend 9:00-12:00 and 5:00-10:00 pm.  There will be an
> emergency contact number to reach someone in case of emergency after and
> between those times;
> 10) when you check out on Sunday, luggage can be kept in a locked side room
> at the Hall;
> 11) there is a kitchen with refrigerator/freezer in which to keep snacks,
> leftovers, etc.
> 12) there is a laundry room on site, $1.25 to wash.
> 
> Most importantly, if you have reserved a room at the Hall, could you
*please
> send me your name asap and, if you have a roommate, please indicate the
> name(s) of others you'll be sharing your room with*.  I have to give KU
> Housing a list by Jun 7 so they know how many rooms to allot and for how
> many people in each room.
> 
> Thanks!
 


From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun  6 12:28:19 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:28:19 -0500
Subject: SCLC schedule revised - please review
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjRd8AT=vZbdy9fXS+PHeQ9j+m0xk37vndjLd8t=XJjJrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.072819.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dave!  
Please confirm exactly where will the conference take place (Student Union, another building), and when is the first presentation (Wens. at 8am or 12noon?).  Excuse my lack of understanding and clarity.
Jimm
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Kaufman 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:41 PM
  Subject: Re: SCLC schedule revised - please review


  Oh right.  I'll change that.  thanks.

  Dave


  On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Cumberland, Linda A <lcumberl at indiana.edu> wrote:

    Not a big deal, but as the abstract indicates, my paper title has a subtitle. The full title is "What's in a Word: Cultural Content in the Kanza Dictionary". Just in case anyone wonders what's implied by the bare title.
    -Linda

    Quoting David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>:


      Hi all,

      I have made changes to the tentative SCLC schedule (attached) based on
      feedback received.  Again, please check it to make sure that you're
      scheduled for a day and time that you can do and that your presentation
      length of time is acceptable.  As usual, if there is anyone I missed or any
      times that absolutely won't work, please let me know.

      We're still accepting abstracts, so, if you would still like to submit one,
      please feel free.

      Thanks.

      --
      David Kaufman, Ph.C.
      University of Kansas
      Linguistic Anthropology





  -- 
  David Kaufman, Ph.C.
  University of Kansas
  Linguistic Anthropology

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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun  6 18:51:31 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:51:31 -0500
Subject: SCLC schedule revised - please review
In-Reply-To: <0DA2CDD8EC2F43F495405F5ADB6A72FB@JGHP>
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.135131.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Jimm,

The conference begins 9:00 a.m. on Fri Jun 15 and ends 12:30 p.m. Sun
Jun 17.  The conference room is in Wescoe on Jayhawk Blvd. (room
numbers on program).

I am about to send out the program as it stands.  This should answer
any questions as far as scheduling.

Dave

On 6/6/12, Jimm GoodTracks <jgoodtracks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave!
> Please confirm exactly where will the conference take place (Student Union,
> another building), and when is the first presentation (Wens. at 8am or
> 12noon?).  Excuse my lack of understanding and clarity.
> Jimm
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Kaufman
>   To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:41 PM
>   Subject: Re: SCLC schedule revised - please review
>
>
>   Oh right.  I'll change that.  thanks.
>
>   Dave
>
>
>   On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Cumberland, Linda A
> <lcumberl at indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>     Not a big deal, but as the abstract indicates, my paper title has a
> subtitle. The full title is "What's in a Word: Cultural Content in the Kanza
> Dictionary". Just in case anyone wonders what's implied by the bare title.
>     -Linda
>
>     Quoting David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>:
>
>
>       Hi all,
>
>       I have made changes to the tentative SCLC schedule (attached) based
> on
>       feedback received.  Again, please check it to make sure that you're
>       scheduled for a day and time that you can do and that your
> presentation
>       length of time is acceptable.  As usual, if there is anyone I missed
> or any
>       times that absolutely won't work, please let me know.
>
>       We're still accepting abstracts, so, if you would still like to submit
> one,
>       please feel free.
>
>       Thanks.
>
>       --
>       David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>       University of Kansas
>       Linguistic Anthropology
>
>
>
>
>
>   --
>   David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>   University of Kansas
>   Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology


From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun  6 19:20:03 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:20:03 -0500
Subject: SCLC Program
Message-ID: <WED.6.JUN.2012.142003.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

I'm attaching our conference program as it stands now.  Sorry for the
delay, but my computer died last weekend and I've reverted to my old
laptop in the meantime to stay up on emails.  (I should have my new
desktop later today - fingers crossed. [Yes, things happen at the most
opportune times!])  A copy of the program will be included in the
folder you receive upon check-in at the conference; this is just a
sneak preview.  Let me know if any changes need to be made.

See you next week!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jun  8 18:00:53 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:00:53 -0500
Subject: Halls room list for SCLC
Message-ID: <FRI.8.JUN.2012.130053.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

The list below is what we currently show as reserved rooms at the Amini
Halls, based on info received from CoLang (who took the money).  *Please
review it and let me know if there are any discrepancies, or if you're not
on the list but should be*.  If you have not already reserved a room, you
can still try to reserve by contacting CoLang directly, but there is no
guarantee any more rooms will be available (cut off for SCLC was May
20).  I have forwarded this list to KU Housing per their request.

1) Mark Awakuni-Swetland, double
2) John Boyle, single
3) Lewis Gebhardt, single
4) Zachary Gordon, single
5) Randolph Graczyk, single
6) Jill Greer, double (with Lori Stanley)
7) Tanya Harrison, double
8) Iren Hartmann, single
9) Johannes Helmbrecht, single
10) Ryan Kasak, single
11) Rory Larson, single
12) Mary Marino, single
13) Marty Richardson, double
14) David Rood, single
15) Catherine Rudin, double (with Ali Eminov)
16) Logan Sutton, single
17) Mateusz Szulc, single
18) George Wilmes, single
19) Jonnia Torres, single
I also show the following concurrently enrolled with CoLang workshops:
19) Shelece Easterday
20) Roanne Hill
21) Khan Afsar
22) Khawaja Rehman
23) Moira Salzman
24) Saul Schwartz
You may want to try and arrive at the Amini Halls before 10:00 p.m. if
possible on Jun 14.  There will be a KU Housing staff person there until
this time.  After that, you will have to call someone at Housing (number to
be provided) to open the doors for you. Also, there will not be a Housing
employee between noon and 5:00, so if you arrive during this time, you may
have to wait until 5:00 to check in.

Further, I have requested info as to whether you need to preregister for
internet access, and, if so, whether there is a password for this.  More
info will be forthcoming as soon as I know.
-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Sun Jun 10 14:09:42 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 09:09:42 -0500
Subject: Halls room list for SCLC
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjQ7YAJuvnRb_yEEAQk33xGErtNgH-A7ScAo_nDHvtdVZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.JUN.2012.090942.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dave, I have the impression that Linda Cumberland and Justin McBride were also attending.  The list below is not the total committed participants, but only those who are rooming at the KU dorm. Correct? 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Kaufman 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 1:00 PM
  Subject: Halls room list for SCLC


  Hi all,

  The list below is what we currently show as reserved rooms at the Amini Halls, based on info received from CoLang (who took the money).  Please review it and let me know if there are any discrepancies, or if you're not on the list but should be.  If you have not already reserved a room, you can still try to reserve by contacting CoLang directly, but there is no guarantee any more rooms will be available (cut off for SCLC was May 20).  I have forwarded this list to KU Housing per their request.

  1) Mark Awakuni-Swetland, double
  2) John Boyle, single
  3) Lewis Gebhardt, single
  4) Zachary Gordon, single
  5) Randolph Graczyk, single
  6) Jill Greer, double (with Lori Stanley)
  7) Tanya Harrison, double
  8) Iren Hartmann, single
  9) Johannes Helmbrecht, single
  10) Ryan Kasak, single
  11) Rory Larson, single
  12) Mary Marino, single
  13) Marty Richardson, double
  14) David Rood, single
  15) Catherine Rudin, double (with Ali Eminov)
  16) Logan Sutton, single
  17) Mateusz Szulc, single
  18) George Wilmes, single
  19) Jonnia Torres, single
  I also show the following concurrently enrolled with CoLang workshops:
  19) Shelece Easterday
  20) Roanne Hill
  21) Khan Afsar
  22) Khawaja Rehman
  23) Moira Salzman
  24) Saul Schwartz

  You may want to try and arrive at the Amini Halls before 10:00 p.m. if possible on Jun 14.  There will be a KU Housing staff person there until this time.  After that, you will have to call someone at Housing (number to be provided) to open the doors for you. Also, there will not be a Housing employee between noon and 5:00, so if you arrive during this time, you may have to wait until 5:00 to check in.

  Further, I have requested info as to whether you need to preregister for internet access, and, if so, whether there is a password for this.  More info will be forthcoming as soon as I know.
  -- 
  David Kaufman, Ph.C.
  University of Kansas
  Linguistic Anthropology

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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Sun Jun 10 15:27:06 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:27:06 -0500
Subject: Halls room list for SCLC
In-Reply-To: <F8AEDB8D62A3449DA1E42DB2E56811CB@JGHP>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.JUN.2012.102706.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Yes, correct.

Dave

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Jimm GoodTracks <jgoodtracks at gmail.com>wrote:

> **
> Dave, I have the impression that Linda Cumberland and Justin McBride were
> also attending.  The list below is not the total committed participants,
> but only those who are rooming at the KU dorm. Correct?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Sent:* Friday, June 08, 2012 1:00 PM
> *Subject:* Halls room list for SCLC
>
> Hi all,
>
> The list below is what we currently show as reserved rooms at the Amini
> Halls, based on info received from CoLang (who took the money).  *Please
> review it and let me know if there are any discrepancies, or if you're not
> on the list but should be*.  If you have not already reserved a room, you
> can still try to reserve by contacting CoLang directly, but there is no
> guarantee any more rooms will be available (cut off for SCLC was May
> 20).  I have forwarded this list to KU Housing per their request.
>
>  1) Mark Awakuni-Swetland, double
> 2) John Boyle, single
> 3) Lewis Gebhardt, single
> 4) Zachary Gordon, single
> 5) Randolph Graczyk, single
> 6) Jill Greer, double (with Lori Stanley)
> 7) Tanya Harrison, double
> 8) Iren Hartmann, single
> 9) Johannes Helmbrecht, single
> 10) Ryan Kasak, single
> 11) Rory Larson, single
> 12) Mary Marino, single
> 13) Marty Richardson, double
> 14) David Rood, single
> 15) Catherine Rudin, double (with Ali Eminov)
> 16) Logan Sutton, single
> 17) Mateusz Szulc, single
> 18) George Wilmes, single
> 19) Jonnia Torres, single
>  I also show the following concurrently enrolled with CoLang workshops:
>  19) Shelece Easterday
> 20) Roanne Hill
> 21) Khan Afsar
> 22) Khawaja Rehman
> 23) Moira Salzman
> 24) Saul Schwartz
> You may want to try and arrive at the Amini Halls before 10:00 p.m. if
> possible on Jun 14.  There will be a KU Housing staff person there until
> this time.  After that, you will have to call someone at Housing (number to
> be provided) to open the doors for you. Also, there will not be a Housing
> employee between noon and 5:00, so if you arrive during this time, you may
> have to wait until 5:00 to check in.
>
> Further, I have requested info as to whether you need to preregister for
> internet access, and, if so, whether there is a password for this.  More
> info will be forthcoming as soon as I know.
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Mon Jun 11 17:23:40 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:40 -0500
Subject: SCLC update
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.122340.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.  But
here are a few things you should know:

1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you arrive
at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are two-bedroom suites*.
If you've reserved a single, as most of you have, you will have your own
bedroom, but you will still have to share a bathroom.  For those of you
who've reserved a double, this means you will have your roommate in the
same bedroom with you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes,
this was all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms
and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your own
bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a bathroom with the
other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes sense.)

2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you arrive
at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements are being
taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online once you
receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you need to
do.

3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.  If
you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon provided
in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local Office Depot*.
There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one
on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).

I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From mmrichar at LIVE.UNC.EDU  Mon Jun 11 19:55:22 2012
From: mmrichar at LIVE.UNC.EDU (mmrichar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:55:22 +0000
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjQKgLCHs4Wx0E=DG7dmiaZ2-=hX+AOMD3f6ODpUXJ9SXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.195522.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dave,

Can you remind me of the traveling arrangements to and from the airport again?  I arrive in Kansas City on Thursday at 3:45 p.m.

Marty
________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:23 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: SCLC update

Hi all,

Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.  But here are a few things you should know:

1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you arrive at the Halls, you should know that all of the rooms are two-bedroom suites.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have, you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes sense.)

2) You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you arrive at the Halls.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you need to do.

3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making 50 copies.  If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon provided in your conference folder for discount copying at our local Office Depot.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).

I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology

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From rankin at KU.EDU  Mon Jun 11 21:32:45 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:32:45 +0000
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjQKgLCHs4Wx0E=DG7dmiaZ2-=hX+AOMD3f6ODpUXJ9SXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.213245.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear friends,

Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoon and/or evening.  If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the Kansas City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses if you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to be able to phone you when we are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010 (at) ku.edu and mine is rankin (at) ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.

I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking forward to seeing everyone this weekend.

Best,

Bob

________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: SCLC update

Hi all,

Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.  But here are a few things you should know:

1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you arrive at the Halls, you should know that all of the rooms are two-bedroom suites.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have, you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes sense.)

2) You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you arrive at the Halls.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you need to do.

3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making 50 copies.  If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon provided in your conference folder for discount copying at our local Office Depot.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).

I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!

--
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology

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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jun 12 00:05:01 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:05:01 -0500
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <83AAB08AD604F548BC86F39AEA4803741B3E4A21@CH1PRD0310MB391.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.190501.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Marty,

I'm sending out another call to the List for flight number info.  We only
have a few people who've responded.  One or two of us can make pick-ups
from the airport, but I want to make sure we've got everybody accounted for
before we decide on pick-up time(s).  We should know by Weds for sure, and
then I can let you know when we can pick you up.

See you soon.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, mmrichar <mmrichar at live.unc.edu> wrote:

>  Dave,
>
>  Can you remind me of the traveling arrangements to and from the airport
> again?  I arrive in Kansas City on Thursday at 3:45 p.m.
>
>  Marty
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
> Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 1:23 PM
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* SCLC update
>
>   Hi all,
>
> Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.
> But here are a few things you should know:
>
> 1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you
> arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are
> two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have,
> you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a
> bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will
> have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds,
> which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short,
> each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room
> means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still
> share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
> sense.)
>
> 2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you
> arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements
> are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online
> once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you
> need to do.
>
> 3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.
> If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon
> provided in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local
> Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there
> is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).
>
> I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!
>
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jun 12 00:23:39 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:23:39 -0500
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC623624EFB@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.192339.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi everyone,

Let's make this my last call for any of you who are arriving at KCI (MCI)
and need a ride from the airport on Thurs.  So far we've only received a
few responses, from Mary Marino (1:25), Marty Richardson (3:45), and David
Rood (~6:30).  So, *please let us know by Weds if you need an airport
pick-up* (giving time of arrival), otherwise I will assume that you are
either driving in or have otherwise already made airport pick-up
arrangements.  We will decide between the three of us (Bob, Kathy, and me)
based on responses how many pick-ups need to be made and at what time(s).

By the way, I am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall Thurs evening
just to assist the KU Housing employee in making sure things go smoothly as
far as check-in goes, and to collect your $15 conference fee if you have it
available (cash is probably best).  I will also give you your folder at
that time with program and other goodies.  If I don't see you then, you can
give me your fee on Fri.  (Remember, those of you driving onto campus on
Fri to the Wescoe conference room, you will have to pay an $8 parking fee
for the day at the gate).

Oh, btw, my email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com.. : )  I don't
have a cell phone unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look
at it).

Dave
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:

>  Dear friends,
>
> Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very
> reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be
> ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoon and/or
> evening.  If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the
> Kansas City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and
> cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses if
> you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to be able to phone you
> when we are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to
> appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010 (at) ku.eduand mine is rankin (at)
> ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.
>
> I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I
> had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking
> forward to seeing everyone this weekend.
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
> Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
>
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* SCLC update
>
>   Hi all,
>
> Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.
> But here are a few things you should know:
>
> 1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you
> arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are
> two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have,
> you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a
> bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will
> have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds,
> which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short,
> each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room
> means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still
> share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
> sense.)
>
> 2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you
> arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements
> are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online
> once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else you
> need to do.
>
> 3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.
> If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon
> provided in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local
> Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there
> is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).
>
> I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!
>
> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>
>


-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From mary.marino at USASK.CA  Tue Jun 12 02:19:08 2012
From: mary.marino at USASK.CA (Mary C Marino)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:19:08 -0600
Subject: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.JUN.2012.201908.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hello David

Here is some additional information:  I arrive KCI at 1.23 pm Thurs the 
14th on UA 3658.  My cell number is 371-1119.  (I only use it when I'm 
traveling.)

Best
Mary


On 11/06/2012 6:23 PM, David Kaufman wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Let's make this my last call for any of you who are arriving at KCI 
> (MCI) and need a ride from the airport on Thurs.  So far we've only 
> received a few responses, from Mary Marino (1:25), Marty Richardson 
> (3:45), and David Rood (~6:30).  So, *please let us know by Weds if 
> you need an airport pick-up* (giving time of arrival), otherwise I 
> will assume that you are either driving in or have otherwise already 
> made airport pick-up arrangements.  We will decide between the three 
> of us (Bob, Kathy, and me) based on responses how many pick-ups need 
> to be made and at what time(s).
> By the way, I am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall 
> Thurs evening just to assist the KU Housing employee in making sure 
> things go smoothly as far as check-in goes, and to collect your 
> $15 conference fee if you have it available (cash is probably best).  
> I will also give you your folder at that time with program and other 
> goodies.  If I don't see you then, you can give me your fee on 
> Fri.  (Remember, those of you driving onto campus on Fri to the Wescoe 
> conference room, you will have to pay an $8 parking fee for the day at 
> the gate).
> Oh, btw, my email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dvkanth2010 at gmail.com>.. : )  I don't have a cell phone 
> unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it).
> Dave
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at ku.edu 
> <mailto:rankin at ku.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Dear friends,
>
>     Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are
>     very reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It
>     should be ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on
>     Thursday afternoon and/or evening.  If you are going to need
>     transportation to Lawrence from the Kansas City airport you should
>     send your flight and arrival time and cellphone number to either
>     me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses if you wish to keep
>     your number private.  We will want to be able to phone you when we
>     are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to
>     appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010
>     (at) ku.edu <http://ku.edu> and mine is rankin (at) ku.edu
>     <http://ku.edu>.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me
>     theirs.
>
>     I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations
>     as I had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm
>     looking forward to seeing everyone this weekend.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Bob
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>     <mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>] on behalf of David Kaufman
>     [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>]
>     *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
>
>     *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu <mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
>     *Subject:* SCLC update
>
>     Hi all,
>     Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you
>     arrive.  But here are a few things you should know:
>     1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when
>     you arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms
>     are two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of
>     you have, you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have
>     to share a bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double,
>     this means you will have your roommate in the same bedroom with
>     you, but with separate beds, which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was
>     all confusing to me too.)  In short, each suite has two bedrooms
>     and one bath, four beds total.  A single room means you have your
>     own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still share a
>     bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
>     sense.)
>     2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when
>     you arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet
>     arrangements are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should
>     be good to go online once you receive your passcode upon check-in,
>     and there is nothing else you need to do.
>     3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50
>     copies*.  If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there
>     will be a coupon provided in your conference folder for *discount
>     copying at our local Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's
>     downtown, but unfortunately there is no longer one on campus (and
>     Kinko's does not provide a discount).
>     I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all
>     soon!
>
>     -- 
>     David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>     University of Kansas
>     Linguistic Anthropology
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology
>

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From Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE  Tue Jun 12 07:19:12 2012
From: Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE (Johannes Helmbrecht)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:19:12 +0200
Subject: Antw: Re: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.091912.0200.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi David,

my flight details are: I will arrive at Kansas City airport on June 14, at
4:43 pm (from Newark) flight number  CO 4181. Randy will take me with him to
Lawrence. I assume there is still space for others to join us?

See you
Johannes




-- 

 
Professor Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Fakult?t f?r Sprach-, Literatur- und Kulturwissenschaften
Universit?t Regensburg
Universit?tsstrasse 31
D-93053 Regensburg

Tel. 0941/943-3388
Tel. 0941/943-3387 (Sekretariat)
Fax. 0941/943-2429
 
Website:
www-avs.uni-regensburg.de
E-mail:
johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de 
 
 
>>> David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> schrieb am 12.06.2012 um 02:23 in
Nachricht
<CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA at mail.gmail.com>:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Let's make this my last call for any of you who are arriving at KCI (MCI)
> and need a ride from the airport on Thurs.  So far we've only received a
> few responses, from Mary Marino (1:25), Marty Richardson (3:45), and David
> Rood (~6:30).  So, *please let us know by Weds if you need an airport
> pick-up* (giving time of arrival), otherwise I will assume that you are
> either driving in or have otherwise already made airport pick-up
> arrangements.  We will decide between the three of us (Bob, Kathy, and me)
> based on responses how many pick-ups need to be made and at what time(s).
> 
> By the way, I am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall Thurs evening
> just to assist the KU Housing employee in making sure things go smoothly as
> far as check-in goes, and to collect your $15 conference fee if you have it
> available (cash is probably best).  I will also give you your folder at
> that time with program and other goodies.  If I don't see you then, you can
> give me your fee on Fri.  (Remember, those of you driving onto campus on
> Fri to the Wescoe conference room, you will have to pay an $8 parking fee
> for the day at the gate).
> 
> Oh, btw, my email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com.. : )  I don't
> have a cell phone unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look
> at it).
> 
> Dave
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:
> 
> >  Dear friends,
> >
> > Right now the weather forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very
> > reasonable.  Highs in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be
> > ideal.  Dave and I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoon
and/or
> > evening.  If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the
> > Kansas City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and
> > cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email addresses
if
> > you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to be able to phone
you
> > when we are approaching the terminals in order to let you know when to
> > appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's address is dvkanthro2010 (at) 
> ku.eduand mine is rankin (at)
> > ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.
> >
> > I haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I
> > had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking
> > forward to seeing everyone this weekend.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
> > Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM] 
> > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM
> >
> > *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
> > *Subject:* SCLC update
> >
> >   Hi all,
> >
> > Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before you arrive.
> > But here are a few things you should know:
> >
> > 1) In order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you
> > arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are
> > two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you have,
> > you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to share a
> > bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this means you will
> > have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but with separate beds,
> > which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all confusing to me too.)  In short,
> > each suite has two bedrooms and one bath, four beds total.  A single room
> > means you have your own bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still
> > share a bathroom with the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes
> > sense.)
> >
> > 2) *You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you
> > arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet arrangements
> > are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be good to go online
> > once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and there is nothing else
you
> > need to do.
> >
> > 3) If you have handouts of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.
> > If  you don't want to make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon
> > provided in your conference folder for *discount copying at our local
> > Office Depot*.  There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there
> > is no longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).
> >
> > I think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!
> >
> > --
> > David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> > University of Kansas
> > Linguistic Anthropology
> >
> >
 


From rgraczyk at AOL.COM  Tue Jun 12 14:41:45 2012
From: rgraczyk at AOL.COM (rgraczyk at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:41:45 -0400
Subject: Antw: Re: SCLC update
In-Reply-To: <4FD70990020000400003755D@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.JUN.2012.104145.0400.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I would be happy to take David Rood.  He is arriving around the same 
time I am.

Randy


-----Original Message-----
 From: Johannes Helmbrecht 
<Johannes.Helmbrecht at SPRACHLIT.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE>
To: SIOUAN <SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:21 am
Subject: Antw: Re: SCLC update


Hi David,my flight details are: I will arrive at Kansas City airport on 
June 14, at4:43 pm (from Newark) flight number  CO 4181. Randy will 
take me with him toLawrence. I assume there is still space for others 
to join us?See youJohannes--  Professor Dr. Johannes 
HelmbrechtLehrstuhl f?r Allgemeine und Vergleichende 
SprachwissenschaftFakult?t f?r Sprach-, Literatur- und 
KulturwissenschaftenUniversit?t RegensburgUniversit?tsstrasse 31D-93053 
RegensburgTel. 0941/943-3388Tel. 0941/943-3387 (Sekretariat)Fax. 
0941/943-2429 
Website:www-avs.uni-regensburg.deE-mail:johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni
-regensburg.de   >>> David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM> schrieb am 
12.06.2012 um 02:23 
inNachricht<CAKapKjSJFN=NBUipJAvTiFDjQP10D6psHV0_p6d_P=2FhaSojA at mail.gmai
l.com>:> Hi everyone,> > Let's make this my last call for any of you 
who are arriving at KCI (MCI)> and need a ride from the airport on 
Thurs.  So far we've only received a> few responses, from Mary Marino 
(1:25), Marty Richardson (3:45), and David> Rood (~6:30).  So, *please 
let us know by Weds if you need an airport> pick-up* (giving time of 
arrival), otherwise I will assume that you are> either driving in or 
have otherwise already made airport pick-up> arrangements.  We will 
decide between the three of us (Bob, Kathy, and me)> based on responses 
how many pick-ups need to be made and at what time(s).> > By the way, I 
am planning to be at the Margaret Amini Hall Thurs evening> just to 
assist the KU Housing employee in making sure things go smoothly as> 
far as check-in goes, and to collect your $15 conference fee if you 
have it> available (cash is probably best).  I will also give you your 
folder at> that time with program and other goodies.  If I don't see 
you then, you can> give me your fee on Fri.  (Remember, those of you 
driving onto campus on> Fri to the Wescoe conference room, you will 
have to pay an $8 parking fee> for the day at the gate).> > Oh, btw, my 
email address is actually dvkanth2010 at gmail.com.. : )  I don't> have a 
cell phone unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look> at 
it).> > Dave> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rankin, Robert L. 
<rankin at ku.edu> wrote:> > >  Dear friends,> >> > Right now the weather 
forecasts for this weekend in NE Kansas are very> > reasonable.  Highs 
in the 80s and at least mostly sunny.  It should be> > ideal.  Dave and 
I are organizing airport runs on Thursday afternoonand/or> > evening.  
If you are going to need transportation to Lawrence from the> > Kansas 
City airport you should send your flight and arrival time and> > 
cellphone number to either me or Dave.  Use our personal email 
addressesif> > you wish to keep your number private.  We will want to 
be able to phoneyou> > when we are approaching the terminals in order 
to let you know when to> > appear out-front for pick up.  Dave's 
address is dvkanthro2010 (at) > ku.eduand mine is rankin (at)> > 
ku.edu.  I'll send my cell number to those who send me theirs.> >> > I 
haven't been able to participate as actively in the preparations as I> 
 > had hoped, but Dave has done a terrific job on his own.  I'm looking> 
 > forward to seeing everyone this weekend.> >> > Best,> >> > Bob> >> >  
------------------------------> > *From:* Siouan Linguistics 
[SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David> > Kaufman 
[dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM] > > *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM> >> 
 > *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu > > *Subject:* SCLC update> >> >   Hi 
all,> >> > Time is approaching, and this may be my last update before 
you arrive.> > But here are a few things you should know:> >> > 1) In 
order to avoid any misunderstanding later in the week when you> > 
arrive at the Halls, you should know that *all of the rooms are> > 
two-bedroom suites*.  If you've reserved a single, as most of you 
have,> > you will have your own bedroom, but you will still have to 
share a> > bathroom.  For those of you who've reserved a double, this 
means you will> > have your roommate in the same bedroom with you, but 
with separate beds,> > which may be bunks.  (Yes, this was all 
confusing to me too.)  In short,> > each suite has two bedrooms and one 
bath, four beds total.  A single room> > means you have your own 
bedroom (you and one empty bed), but you still> > share a bathroom with 
the other bedroom in the suite.  (I hope this makes> > sense.)> >> > 2) 
*You will be provided with a passcode to access Internet when you> > 
arrive at the Halls*.  I'm assured that all other Internet 
arrangements> > are being taken care of by KU Housing, so you should be 
good to go online> > once you receive your passcode upon check-in, and 
there is nothing elseyou> > need to do.> >> > 3) If you have handouts 
of your talk, I recommend making *50 copies*.> > If  you don't want to 
make them ahead of time, there will be a coupon> > provided in your 
conference folder for *discount copying at our local> > Office Depot*.  
There is also a Kinko's downtown, but unfortunately there> > is no 
longer one on campus (and Kinko's does not provide a discount).> >> > I 
think this covers it for now.  We look forward to seeing you all soon!> 
 >> > --> > David Kaufman, Ph.C.> > University of Kansas> > Linguistic 
Anthropology> >> >
  


From dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun 13 22:32:17 2012
From: dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM (David Kaufman)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:32:17 -0500
Subject: Phone number for Halls
Message-ID: <WED.13.JUN.2012.173217.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Hi all,

The phone number to call if you think you will be arriving at the Halls
after 10:00 p.m. Thurs is 785-424-3590.  If you have a cell phone, you can
call in advance of your arrival so that someone from Housing will be there
to meet you when you arrive at whatever hour (grad students are on call
24/7).  If you call after you arrive, you may have to wait up to 15 minutes
for someone to come to let you in, so phoning ahead while en route will be
faster.

Also, if you arrive before 5:00 on Thurs, no staff person will be on duty.
So, if you arrive early, you will have to wait until 5:00 to check in.  You
can tour around Lawrence, if you like, to kill time or go have a
beer/coffee, etc.  (The Oread Hotel is just a couple of blocks away with
bars, coffee, and restaurants.)

See you soon!

-- 
David Kaufman, Ph.C.
University of Kansas
Linguistic Anthropology
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From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jun 14 15:35:00 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:35:00 -0500
Subject: Phone number for Halls
In-Reply-To: <CAKapKjTu9NQkdn3yB8zozHzbNB7yfTXN5Bhg8H+0DdTn6idJZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.JUN.2012.103500.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

David:
Wescoe is the four floor building where we had Kaqchikel classes with Emily Tummons, Right?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Kaufman 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:32 PM
  Subject: Phone number for Halls


  Hi all,

  The phone number to call if you think you will be arriving at the Halls after 10:00 p.m. Thurs is 785-424-3590.  If you have a cell phone, you can call in advance of your arrival so that someone from Housing will be there to meet you when you arrive at whatever hour (grad students are on call 24/7).  If you call after you arrive, you may have to wait up to 15 minutes for someone to come to let you in, so phoning ahead while en route will be faster.

  Also, if you arrive before 5:00 on Thurs, no staff person will be on duty.  So, if you arrive early, you will have to wait until 5:00 to check in.  You can tour around Lawrence, if you like, to kill time or go have a beer/coffee, etc.  (The Oread Hotel is just a couple of blocks away with bars, coffee, and restaurants.)

  See you soon!

  -- 
  David Kaufman, Ph.C.
  University of Kansas
  Linguistic Anthropology

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From saponi360 at YAHOO.COM  Tue Jun 19 18:47:42 2012
From: saponi360 at YAHOO.COM (Scott Collins)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:47:42 -0700
Subject: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC623620FA2@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.JUN.2012.114742.0700.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

For Bald Cypress, based on the word in Biloxi which is borrowed word from Choctaw, I have come up with the following in Tutel-Saponi for this word:
?
xa:pi -xti -ta dalanon ho oto:
?
dalanon ho = shake ir shaking or moving fast in a back and forth manner
oto: = leaf? (also means grass)
?
xa:pi = bark
-xti = augmentative
-ta = great or big
?
xa:pi -xti -ta this is in refernce to the trunk? and dalanon ho oto: in reference to the 'shaking leaves' from the definition of the Choctaw word kolo as in shan-kolo.
?
Literally the big trunked tree with shaking leaves.


Scott P. Collins
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle

?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.?

"The greater the denial the greater the awakening."

--- On Sun, 5/13/12, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU> wrote:


From: Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 4:36 PM


Here in Kansas the farmers call osage oranges "hedge apples".? The tree is often called simply "hedge".? It makes a forbidding boundary because of those long, nasty thorns.? Which reminds me, "thorn apple" is another term I've heard.? And, yes, Tutelo should have retained the /x?te/ or /x?te/ pronunciation pretty much intact.? We project that the original meaning was 'juniper'.

Bob

________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Scott Collins [saponi360 at YAHOO.COM]
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:30 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi

I know that among our people of Saponi that the "Cedar" a.k.a. Juniper and the Cypress are sacred trees used for various things such as guarding graves and protection. Seems that there is no actual true cedar species in North America that is native. The trees refered to as cedars are actually either cypress trees or juniper trees. It is interesting that you bring up the subject of the Osage Orange tree, I was raised to call it the Horse Apple tree.

/x?te/ or /x?te/???this is your projected word in Tutelo-Saponi for cedar correct?





Scott P. Collins
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle

?Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.?

"The greater the denial the greater the awakening."

--- On Sun, 5/13/12, Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU> wrote:

From: Rankin, Robert L. <rankin at KU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Biloxi Words and Tutelo-Saponi
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 1:30 PM

There's a proto-Siouan 'cedar' word.? I'll get it for you.

"Yellow wood" in the Dhegiha languages is reserved for the wood of the Osage orange.? It was also called "the bow wood tree" because of the resilience of the branches.? This is why it's called "bois d'arc" in French.? Cedar was considered holy among the Siouan tribes of the plains, but I don't know how far back East this goes.

The udi term in Biloxi is from proto-Siouan *hu:de which refers to the base or trunk of any object.? It occurs in lots of tree names.

>From the Comparative Siouan Dictionary:

GLOSS[ juniper, red cedar

PSI[ *x?te

MAndan[ ?xt?re ~ ?xt? ?cedar? H-134

MA[ oxt?? ?pine tree?? C

MA[ oxt??? ?sage?? C



PMV[ *x??te

LAkota[ x?t? ?cedar? C

DAkota[ ?x?t? ?h?a?t?? ?cedar? R-162a

Omaha-Ponca[ ?x?de ??xo?depa? ?wrist guard? FLF-225

Kanza[ x???e ?cedar? RR

OSage[ ?x??ce ?xo??dse? ?red cedar? LF-219a

QUapaw[ xtt? ?cedar? RR

QU[ x?tt?hi ?cedar? JOD



OTHLGS[ JEK: Iroquoian, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga ohn?hta?, Huron ?xah?d?hta??,

Wyandot ?andeta?, Tuscarora uht?hneh, Mithun (1984, 270).



COMmentary[ The OP term refers to a packet strapped to the sacred (cedar) pole:

|a-| ?on, upon?, |x?de| ?cedar?, |-pa| ?locative (?)?. (Analysis from JEK).

The BI term for ?cedar? is borrowed from Western Muskogean. QU stress has

shifted; it must have been initial earlier in order for the |*t| to geminate.

The MA root appears to exhibit an irregular syncope.? Cedar has sacred

properties among all or most of the Siouan-speaking peoples.


Note the look-alikes in Iroquoian languages.? Numero?us tree names are widespread terms.


>From these comparative data I would project the Tutelo word to be very similar, probably something very close to /x?te/ or /x?te/, where /x/ is a gutteral sound like the "ch" of German Ach!? Or Achtung!, words everybody knows from the movies.


The wasti word in Tutelo corresponds to the general Siouan term for 'pine', but could possibly mean 'cedar' also.


Bob
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From rankin at KU.EDU  Wed Jun 20 01:52:04 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:52:04 +0000
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.015204.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.

I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.

Bob
==============================
The Wichita Eagle

It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil for Kansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensis will become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typify Kansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at the Field Museum (in Chicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of western Kansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.
"In Kansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only in Kansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in the Sternberg Museum's collection in Hays.
Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in the Ohio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now the Kansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-day Kansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move to Indian Territory, in present-day Oklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."
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From carudin1 at WSC.EDU  Wed Jun 20 14:23:49 2012
From: carudin1 at WSC.EDU (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:23:49 -0500
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.092349.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

This is great!  
And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L."  06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>
P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.

I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.

Bob
==============================
TheWichita Eagle

It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil forKansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensiswill become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typifyKansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at theFieldMuseum (inChicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of westernKansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.
"InKansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only inKansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in theSternbergMuseum's collection in Hays.
Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in theOhio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now theKansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-dayKansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move toIndian Territory, in present-dayOklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."

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From jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jun 20 15:46:06 2012
From: jgoodtracks at GMAIL.COM (Jimm GoodTracks)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:46:06 -0500
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
In-Reply-To: <4FE196A50200008E0005EF8B@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.104606.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I will reiterate the appreciation to Dave & Bob for setting the stage for one of the most extraordinary conferences in memory with an array of new language focused subjects heard for the first time.  Appreciation also to each of the presenters and those who were in attendance as well.
It definitely called for the celebration of the leaping lizards of Kansas, as addressed in the Wichita Newspaper below. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Catherine Rudin 
  To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux


  This is great!  
  And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
  Catherine

  >>> "Rankin, Robert L." 06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>

  Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.

  I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.

  Bob
  ==============================

  The Wichita Eagle


  It has finally happened.

  Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil for Kansas has succeeded.

  Tylosaurus kansasensis will become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.

  Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.

  "It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.

  "If you were going to pick a fossil that would typify Kansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."

  Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.

  "The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at the Field Museum (in Chicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."

  This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.

  At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.

  The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.

  Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of western Kansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.

  The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.

  "They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."

  They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.

  "In Kansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."

  This particular species of mosasaur has been found only in Kansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in the Sternberg Museum's collection in Hays.

  Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.

  In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all of the known specimens have been collected."

  The Kanza people originally lived in the Ohio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now the Kansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-day Kansas.

  In 1873, the tribe was forced to move to Indian Territory, in present-day Oklahoma.

  Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.

  "The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."


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From rankin at KU.EDU  Wed Jun 20 21:40:08 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:40:08 +0000
Subject: A slight correction.
Message-ID: <WED.20.JUN.2012.214008.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him on-line.  Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God Save the King!

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From shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK  Wed Jun 20 23:46:08 2012
From: shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:46:08 +0100
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
In-Reply-To: <4FE196A50200008E0005EF8B@hermes.wsc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.004608.0100.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear All,
It seems that it was a really good conference.? I hope to be able to come again one year, maybe next year.? Problems over here have kept me at home, but I still study Lakota and am learning a lot.? Hope you are all well.? I am an eager follower of the Siouan List. Great news about the u?k?he?ila.
Regards
Bruce

--- On Wed, 20/6/12, Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at WSC.EDU> wrote:

From: Catherine Rudin <carudin1 at WSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Wednesday, 20 June, 2012, 15:23

This is great!? 
And yes, it was a wonderful conference.? Many thanks to Bob and especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L."  06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>



 
#yiv225807946 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}



Here is the Wichita newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper on Omaha bug/lizard names.? The reporter got things a little mixed up, but the article is pretty accurate.?
 I had made several suggestions for names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga" 'big-toothed lizard'.? What they chose is slightly different, but the essence remains.? Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45 feet.



I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest ever.



Bob

==============================



#yiv225807946 st1\00003a*{}


The
Wichita Eagle


It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur fossil for
Kansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensis
will become the official Latin name of a giant sea lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known
 as "je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning "great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator
 of vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typify
Kansas, a mosasaur is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name
 of the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting
 in boxes in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex Sue at the
Field
Museum (in
Chicago) is one that does. I want this one to also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of western
Kansas have been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey whole.
"In
Kansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only in
Kansas, he said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of which are in the
Sternberg
Museum's collection in Hays.
Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where
 all of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in the
Ohio River valley. By the early 1800s, they had moved to what is now the
Kansas, or Kaw, River valley to claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-day
Kansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move to
Indian Territory, in present-day
Oklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of
 lesser importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."



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btanner at wichitaeagle.com.
















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From mary.marino at USASK.CA  Thu Jun 21 06:15:13 2012
From: mary.marino at USASK.CA (Mary C Marino)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:15:13 -0600
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <5E87B4AFA471B543884CD3128A7C8CC623625B67@EXCH10-MBX-05.home.ku.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.001513.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with us.  
My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the airport - 
this was a truly memorable SCLC.

Next year in Vermilion!

Mary


On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
> At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, 
> Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo 
> was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution he fought the 
> colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was 
> proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red 
> Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him 
> on-line.  Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God 
> Save the King!
>
> Bob
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From shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK  Thu Jun 21 17:27:39 2012
From: shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:27:39 +0100
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <4FE2BBF1.7050801@usask.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.182739.0100.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I could not possibly comment.? When I wrote my English-Lakota dictionary, I sent a copy to Prince Charles, who is very keen on tribal societies etc. In the accompanying letter I added that they (the Dakotas I think) were on our side in the war of 1812, although I don't think they were actually called upon to do anything.
Bruce 

--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA> wrote:

From: Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA>
Subject: Re: A slight correction.
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 7:15


  

    
  
    Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with
    us.? My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the
    airport - this was a truly memorable SCLC.

    

    Next year in Vermilion!

    

    Mary

    

    

    On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
    
      
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        At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo,
        Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old
        when his photo was taken?? I don't think it was the American Revolution
          he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.?
          In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and
          especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.?
          You can find that photo of him on-line.? Ted Turner ought to
          "colorize" the coat bright red.? God Save the King!

          

          Bob

        
        
          
            
              
                
                  

                  
                
              
            
          
        
      
    
    

  
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From rlarson1 at UNL.EDU  Thu Jun 21 21:13:09 2012
From: rlarson1 at UNL.EDU (Rory Larson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:13:09 +0000
Subject: A slight correction.
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Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.211309.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

My understanding is that there was a split, according to which major river basin they mainly dwelt in.  The Santee (Dakota), Sauk and Fox, and Ioway in the upper Mississippi basin took the side of the British, I would guess because they were the ones immediately threatened by white American settlers.  But their western counterparts on the Missouri, the Yankton and the Teton (Lakota), the Omaha, Ponca and Otoes, were converted to the U.S. cause by the Bellevue trader Manuel Lisa.  The western coalition raised a substantial force around the end of the war and hit the Ioway, Sauk and Fox pretty hard, as with the battle of New Orleans after the war had officially ended but before anyone here knew about it.  The Santee may not have seen any fighting, but that was likely because they were checked by the Yankton and Teton, who threatened to attack them from the rear if they moved against the Americans.

Rory


From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of shokooh Ingham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:28 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: A slight correction.

I could not possibly comment.  When I wrote my English-Lakota dictionary, I sent a copy to Prince Charles, who is very keen on tribal societies etc. In the accompanying letter I added that they (the Dakotas I think) were on our side in the war of 1812, although I don't think they were actually called upon to do anything.
Bruce

--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA<mailto:mary.marino at USASK.CA>> wrote:

From: Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA<mailto:mary.marino at USASK.CA>>
Subject: Re: A slight correction.
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu<mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu>
Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 7:15
Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with us.  My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the airport - this was a truly memorable SCLC.

Next year in Vermilion!

Mary


On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo was taken   I don't think it was the American Revolution he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.  In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.  You can find that photo of him on-line.  Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.  God Save the King!

Bob



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From Greer-J at MSSU.EDU  Thu Jun 21 23:12:36 2012
From: Greer-J at MSSU.EDU (Greer, Jill)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:12:36 +0000
Subject: National Library of France photos
In-Reply-To: <20120523135911.ca82n3xmzosco44o@webmail.iu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.231236.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

It may not be relevant,  but there is an albino population of bears in an area of Western Canada (possibly an island),  which has been identified in the eco-rights movement as the "spirit bear" as a "Native" label,  and its habitat is supposed to be in the pathway of a proposed pipeline by TransCanada (another one, yes) to the Pacific Coast there.  I've forgotten which groups (Defenders of Wildlife, Sierra Club, National Wildlife Defense Fund, etc.) send the info out to me,  but I found the albinism very interesting,  considering the significance of White Buffalo, etc.  for Lakota, and other groups.

Also,  the Bear Claw necklace is found with other Siouan (and possibly other) groups - including members of clans other than Bear Clan.  Possibly they had an heirloom status beyond the original purpose,  just as the medallions from treaties seem to have been passed down in families.  Sometimes doctor societies might have had a bear association,  as well as the well-known buffalo doctors.  Someone else might speak to that - Mark?

By the way,  the papers, the company, and the Lawrence experience were all great.  Thanks to David Kaufman, Kathy Shea, and Bob Rankin for all their efforts.  The hard work is much appreciated!

Jill


Dr. Jill D. Greer
Associate Professor
Social Science Department
MSSU
3950 E. Newman Road
Joplin, MO  64801
417.625.9795
Greer-j at mssu.edu



-----Original Message-----
From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] On Behalf Of Cumberland, Linda A
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:59 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: National Library of France photos

Justin McBride wrote a detailed label to the photo that pins it down:
"Portrait (Front) of MinchuZhinga (Young Grizzly Bear) or (Little Bear) in Native Dress with Bear Claw Necklace, Headdress and Ornaments and Holding Sword 1869. by Shindler, Antonio(n) Zeno. NAA INV 06622000 OPPS NEG 04250".  I wonder if "OPPS" is something like "opposite", as in opposite direction -- which could explain the revers effect I described before. I notice, too, that Justin's label makes note of minchu
(miNcho) meaning grizzly bear, as opposed to the black bear, wasabe. I have also seen this photo labeled "Little White Bear", which reminds me of a thread on this list a while back that discussed "white bear" as meaning "grizzly bear". -Linda

Quoting "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU>:

> Thanks for the info.  Oddly, he doesn't look a bit like the MiNcho
> ZhiNga portrait by Catlin.  I thought it must be good old Washunga.
>
> Bob
>
> #2 on p4 is, indeed, "Little Bear" - MiNcho ZhiNga. I have this
> hanging in my office, but reversed and cropped to a head and shoulder
> shot. I always assumed that there was a link between his name and the
> fact that he's wearing a bear claw necklace. In my copy, he's gazing
> the other way,and he seems to hold the sword in his right hand, not
> his left. The copy in this collection is undoubtedly the correct perspective.
> - Linda
>
> Quoting "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU>:
>
>> Thanks for bringing these to our attention.  A very nice collection.
>>
>> A couple of observations:  Number 14 on p. 1, the man labeled "Little
>> Bird" (Dakota) is also sometimes identified as the Kaw Indian named
>> "Pi Sing" in photos.  One of them is displayed in Kaw Tribal
>> Headquarters.
>>
>> Number 2 on p. 4 is also Kaw and is identified as such, but I'm not
>> sure the name is correct.  He certainly looks like Washunga to me.
>> Linda can correct me on this.
>>
>> Bob
>> ________________________________
>> From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of
>> Robert Myers [geocultural at YAHOO.COM]
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:35 PM
>> To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>> Subject: National Library of France photos
>>
>> Siouan Linguistics list members might be interested to view nearly
>> 200 historic photographs of Great Plains Indian tribal members with
>> personal names and English translations, posted by the National
>> Library of France. These are WONDERFUL photos.
>>
>> http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b2300362q
>>
>> Robert Myers
>> Champaign, IL
>>
>



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From carudin1 at WSC.EDU  Fri Jun 22 01:14:33 2012
From: carudin1 at WSC.EDU (Catherine Rudin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:14:33 -0500
Subject: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
Message-ID: <THU.21.JUN.2012.201433.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Bruce, you've been missed!  I hope you'll make it next time,
C

>>> shokooh Ingham  06/20/12 6:48 PM >>>
Dear All,
It seems that it was a really good conference.  I hope to be able to
come again one year, maybe next year.  Problems over here have kept me
at home, but I still study Lakota and am learning a lot.  Hope you are
all well.  I am an eager follower of the Siouan List. Great news about
the u?k?he?ila.
Regards
Bruce

--- On Wed, 20/6/12, Catherine Rudin  wrote:

From: Catherine Rudin 
Subject: Re: Creepie-crawlie-xti redux
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Wednesday, 20 June, 2012, 15:23

This is great!  
And yes, it was a wonderful conference.  Many thanks to Bob and
especially Dave for organizing and to everyone else for taking part.
Catherine

>>> "Rankin, Robert L."  06/19/12 8:56 PM >>>
 #yiv225807946 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Here is the Wichita
newspaper account of the naming of the sea-going dinosaur at the
Sternberg Museum that I mentioned in connection with Mark's fine paper
on Omaha bug/lizard names.  The reporter got things a little mixed up,
but the article is pretty accurate.  I had made several suggestions for
names, and my recollection was that they picked "walushka hi-tanga"
'big-toothed lizard'.  What they chose is slightly different, but the
essence remains.  Anyhow, here is the biggest Wagthishka of all -- 45
feet.

I hope everybody enjoyed the conference -- I think it was the biggest
ever.

Bob
==============================
#yiv225807946 st1\00003a*{}TheWichita Eagle

It has finally happened.
Derby paleontologist Mike Everhart's 10-year quest to name a mosasaur
fossil forKansas has succeeded.
Tylosaurus kansasensiswill become the official Latin name of a giant sea
lizard this spring when the name is published in the Netherlands Journal
of Geosciences.
Unofficially, this type of mosasaur -- a 25-foot-long sea lizard that
lived in the ocean more than 65 million years ago -- will be known as
"je-Walushka-tanga" (pronounced jay wah-LOOSH-gah DUNG-gah"), meaning
"great ocean lizard" in the language of the Kaw or Kanza tribe.
"It's nice to name a mosasaur after Kansas -- after all, Kansas is where
most of the mosasaurs have been found," said Larry Martin, curator of
vertebrate paleontology at the University of Kansas Natural History
Museum.
"If you were going to pick a fossil that would typifyKansas, a mosasaur
is a good choice."
Everhart, who serves as the adjunct curator of paleontology at the
Sternberg Museum of Natural History in Hays, said he wanted the name of
the fossil to reflect Kansas's heritage.
"The Indian name just makes the fossil a little more special," Everhart
said. "There are hundreds of different kinds of fossils sitting in boxes
in all kinds of places. Few of them have a life of their own. The T. rex
Sue at theFieldMuseum (inChicago) is one that does. I want this one to
also come alive in people's imagination."
This isn't the first fossil to be named "kansasensis," Everhart said.
At least 20 other fossils bear that name, including several clams, a
mouse and some trilobites.
The new name also touts the state's fossil heritage and how these
rolling farm plains were once at the bottom of a 600-foot-deep ocean.
Since the late 1860s, the Smoky Hill chalk beds of westernKansas have
been known throughout the world for containing fossils dating to the
Cretaceous period, nearly 87 million years ago.
The mosasaurs, some species of which could grow as long as 45 feet, were
among the most terrifying animals of their time.
"They ruled the oceans at the end of the age of the dinosaur," Everhart
said. "They were a big predator."
They were monsters that ate everything in their way, swallowing prey
whole.
"InKansas, there were more than a dozen types of mosasaurs," Everhart
said. "Worldwide, the number is more than 40."
This particular species of mosasaur has been found only inKansas, he
said, and has been unnamed for nearly 140 years. There are 13 known
specimens of this type of mosasaur -- nine of Anyone can name an unnamed fossil, Everhart said. But a name gains
credibility only when it is published in a recognized journal.
In his paper, Everhart wrote that the fossil is named after the Kanza
Indians, "from which the name of the state... is derived and where all
of the known specimens have been collected."
The Kanza people originally lived in theOhio River valley. By the early
1800s, they had moved to what is now theKansas, or Kaw, River valley to
claim a territory that covered roughly two-fifths of modern-dayKansas.
In 1873, the tribe was forced to move toIndian Territory, in
present-dayOklahoma.
Justin McBride, language coordinator for the Kanza Language Project with
the Kaw Nation of Oklahoma, said the naming is an honor.
"The Kaw language is no longer spoken fluently," he said. "It is easy
for mainstream Americans to think that native languages were of lesser
importance. But they are every bit as rich as other languages in the
world. I think Mike Everhart's wish of going back to the source, going
back to 'kansasensis' is a very positive move."

Reach Beccy Tanner at 268-6336 orbtanner at wichitaeagle.com.







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From george.wilmes at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jun 22 22:25:39 2012
From: george.wilmes at GMAIL.COM (George Wilmes)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:25:39 -0500
Subject: Siouan data on new endangered languages site
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.172539.0500.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I saw this recent posting on the Linguist List regarding a new site
for sharing resources on endangered languages:

http://linguistlist.org/issues/23/23-2792.html

The site has a number of Siouan languages listed, but since it is new
(they're only one year into their three-year NSF grant), there is not
much data there yet. However, there are already a few audio samples on
the Crow page:

http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/lang/2008

The group that is running it includes tribes, universities, etc.:

http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/about/#about_alliance


From david.rood at COLORADO.EDU  Sat Jun 23 02:42:25 2012
From: david.rood at COLORADO.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:42:25 -0600
Subject: conference comment
Message-ID: <FRI.22.JUN.2012.204225.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

I would like to join the chorus of praise and thanks to Dave, Bob and 
Kathy for the wonderful conference just completed.  It is gratifying to 
see how this field has matured while still remaining welcoming to both 
students and Native people.

Best wishes,
 	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


From shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK  Sat Jun 23 11:08:38 2012
From: shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK (shokooh Ingham)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:08:38 +0100
Subject: A slight correction.
In-Reply-To: <3F809074BD07B04283173B6B8AE833C81C328B34@BL2PRD0810MB349.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.23.JUN.2012.120838.0100.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Interesting.? Thanks for the additional info.
Bruce

--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Rory Larson <rlarson1 at UNL.EDU> wrote:

From: Rory Larson <rlarson1 at UNL.EDU>
Subject: Re: A slight correction.
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 22:13



 
 



My understanding is that there was a split, according to which major river basin they mainly dwelt in.? The Santee (Dakota), Sauk and Fox, and Ioway in the
 upper Mississippi basin took the side of the British, I would guess because they were the ones immediately threatened by white American settlers.? But their western counterparts on the Missouri, the Yankton and the Teton (Lakota), the Omaha, Ponca and Otoes,
 were converted to the U.S. cause by the Bellevue trader Manuel Lisa.? The western coalition raised a substantial force around the end of the war and hit the Ioway, Sauk and Fox pretty hard, as with the battle of New Orleans after the war had officially ended
 but before anyone here knew about it.? The Santee may not have seen any fighting, but that was likely because they were checked by the Yankton and Teton, who threatened to attack them from the rear if they moved against the Americans. 
 ? 
Rory 
 ? 
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From: Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu]
On Behalf Of shokooh Ingham

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:28 PM

To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: Re: A slight correction. 

 ? 




I could not possibly comment.? When I wrote my English-Lakota dictionary, I sent a copy to Prince Charles, who is very keen on tribal societies etc. In the accompanying letter I added that they (the Dakotas I think) were on our side in
 the war of 1812, although I don't think they were actually called upon to do anything.

Bruce 



--- On Thu, 21/6/12, Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA> wrote: 


From: Mary C Marino <mary.marino at USASK.CA>

Subject: Re: A slight correction.

To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu

Date: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 7:15 


Bob, you should be up here celebrating the 1812 bicentennial with us.? My thanks to you, David and Kathy, who picked me up at the airport - this was a truly memorable SCLC.



Next year in Vermilion!



Mary





On 20/06/2012 3:40 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:  

At the conference I commented on Marty's photo of the Tutelo, Nikonha, Horatial Hale's main consultant, who was 106 yrs. old when his photo was taken?? I don't
 think it was the American Revolution he fought the colonists in; I think it was the war of 1812.? In any event, he was proud of his service to the Crown and especially proud of his Red Coat, which he wore in the photo.? You can find that photo of him on-line.?
 Ted Turner ought to "colorize" the coat bright red.? God Save the King!



Bob 




















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From rankin at KU.EDU  Sat Jun 23 19:59:52 2012
From: rankin at KU.EDU (Rankin, Robert L.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:59:52 +0000
Subject: conference comment
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1206221953450.12402@spot.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.23.JUN.2012.195952.0000.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Thanks for the kind words.  Dave and Kathy did a great job.  I just sort of sidewalk-superivsed.  

For those who didn't make it to Lawrence this year, next year's Siouan and Caddoan Conference will be held at the University of South Dakota at Vermillion, thanks to planning by David, John and Armik, who is at USD.  After the meetings were over I talked with Marty Richardson and Doug Parks both of whom expressed interest in hosting a future meeting at the University of North Carolina and Indiana University respectively.  I hope both will be able to follow up on this as time goes on.  Right now we have no definite commitment for 2014 yet.  

Best,

Bob

________________________________________
From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of ROOD DAVID S [david.rood at COLORADO.EDU]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:42 PM
To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: conference comment

I would like to join the chorus of praise and thanks to Dave, Bob and
Kathy for the wonderful conference just completed.  It is gratifying to
see how this field has matured while still remaining welcoming to both
students and Native people.

Best wishes,
        David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


From david.rood at COLORADO.EDU  Sun Jun 24 03:31:52 2012
From: david.rood at COLORADO.EDU (ROOD DAVID S)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:31:52 -0600
Subject: endangeredlanguages.com launched (fwd)
Message-ID: <SAT.23.JUN.2012.213152.0600.SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>

Dear Siouanists,
 	Some of you may be interested in this European development.  Paul 
Trilsbeek works for the DoBeS project at the Max Planck Institute in 
Nijmegen, the Netherlands and is the primary correspondent for the various 
issues concerning ELAN.  The "Sebastian" whom he mentions is another 
participant at Max Planck, Sebastian Drude, who has done some very 
interesting documentation work with a Brazilian language.
 	Best,
 	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:22:09 +0200
From: Paul Trilsbeek <Paul.Trilsbeek at mpi.nl>
To: "dobeslist at mpi.nl" <dobeslist at mpi.nl>
Subject: endangeredlanguages.com launched

Dear DOBES colleagues,

This morning the site endangeredlanguages.com was launched, which is the result of the Endangered Languages Project, the collaboration between Linguist List, University of Hawaii and Google.org that I wrote to you about in October last year. Some of you have contributed some samples to the site, if others still wish to do so after seeing the site this would still be possible.

The idea is that the project and the website will at some point (some months after launch) be governed by what they call the Alliance for Linguistic Diversity. Some of you are in this already, also we as The Language Archive (TLA) have chosen to be part of that in order to have a say in how the project and the site develop in the future and to see whether we can play a role in the preservation of material that is contributed to the site. If you are interested in being part of that alliance as well, you can apply for that on the site.

Sebastian and myself are also members of the Alliance Advisory Committee, for the same reasons as above.

I think the site has turned out quite nicely but of course there's always room for improvement. I suggest that you have a look at the site yourself and make any comments, suggestions, complaints, etc. known either via the site itself or through us. We will have (virtual) meetings with the advisory committee on a regular basis and can bring your points to the attention of the people implementing the site.

Earlier this week we learned that - contrary to what was said before - it is possible that advertisements appear within uploaded videos on the site if the person who uploaded the video chooses to activate the advertisements in order to possibly earn some money from them. This is because YouTube is the tool that is used for video uploading and playback in the site and YouTube offers this feature. Hopefully not too many people will choose to enable this, although perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if speech communities could use this as a way to generate some income from their contributions to the site.

Some more information you can find in Google's blog post and of course on the site itself:

http://googleblog.blogspot.nl/2012/06/endangered-languages-project-supporting.html

http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/

Best regards,

Paul