Tutelo verb 'go'

[ROOD DAVID S]

Marianne, thanks for that little essay.  What are the "stative" properties 
of Iroquoian 'go'?  I'm used to relying on the pronoun choice to classify 
the verbs; how do you separate them?
Best,
David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013, Marianne Mithun wrote:

> Actually this is exactly why it is important to distinguish active/stative 
> patterns from agent/patient patterns. Active/stative patterns are driven by 
> Aktionsart, that is, the difference between events and states. Agent/patient 
> systems are driven by the role of the referent, as instigating, volitional, 
> in control, etc. Both occur, sometimes within the same language, but 
> agent/patient systems are much more common cross-linguistically.
>
> The two often yield similar patterns. Events are often instigated by agents 
> and states often impact patients. A verb like 'jump' denotes an event and 
> would usually appear with an agent in agent/patient systems, and an active 
> participant in active/stative systems; a verb like 'be sick' denotes a state 
> and would usually appear with a patient in agent/patient systems, and a 
> stative participant in active/stative systems. But it is exactly in 
> situations like the ones we're discussing that the distinction is important. 
> From there of course cross-linguistic details become interesting: whether 
> instigation or control is criterial when they do not coincide, what is 
> classified as volitional, what is classified as a state, etc.
>
> (In Iroquoian languages, 'go' is grammatically stative, but occurs with agent 
> pronominals, not surprisingly.)
>
> Marianne.
>
> --On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:44 PM +0000 "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU> 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> That sounds very peculiar to me.  I suspect that what you're seeing is
>> the disjunctive (i.e., independent) pronominal for the 1st person rather
>> than the patient.  You may already have my active/stative comparative
>> paper, but just in case, I'll attach a copy.  The last section is an
>> addition on OVS that attempts to explain the pronominals.  Bottom line:
>> I don't think Tutelo uses stative subjects with "go".
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
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>> From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of David
>> Kaufman [dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM]
>> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
>> Subject: Tutelo verb 'go'
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> It seems Tutelo's verb 'go' takes a patientive/object rather than
>> active/subject pronoun prefix, wi- instead of wa-.  Does any other Siouan
>> language do this?  (I can't compare with Biloxi since it lost this
>> agent/patient distinction in pronouns.)  I'm particularly interested in
>> this because two Lower Mississippi Valley languages, Atakapa and
>> Chitimacha, also seem to take patientive/object instead of active/subject
>> pronouns with the verb 'go.'  At first I thought this was strange and
>> counterintuitive, but now I'm seeing it may be a more common phenomenon
>> well beyond the Mississippi Valley.  Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> --
>> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
>> University of Kansas
>> Linguistic Anthropology
>