Siouan tongue twisters?

[Wallace Chafe]

Hi Anthony,

Da Cruz gave me his tapes in the 60's before he left for Beirut. I don't 
know what happened to him after that. They were digitized a long time 
ago. A few years ago I had a couple students make a separate sound file 
of each word, thinking I might plug those recordings into dictionary 
entries. I don't see his recordings on the web, which came as a 
surprise. Do you know where they are and who put them there? I also have 
useful cassettes of Caddo language classes made by Phil Newkumet. And of 
course I still have my own recordings which haven't been fully exploited 
yet. I've heard that there might be one or two speakers still alive, but 
I've been too occupied with other things to make the necessary trips to 
Oklahoma. Hence the guilt.

Wally

On 5/13/2013 2:52 PM, Anthony Grant wrote:
> Wally, there's still lots of Caddo data out there waiting to be
> appreciated, from Gallatin, Haldeman and Gatschet  onwards (and even
> some before).  The recordings Daniel Da Cruz made with the last really
> good speaker are out there on the Web.  Are there any speakers left with
> whom people could rehear older records of Caddo and get them down in
> better versions (recognising glottalisation, for instance)?  I agree, it
> is a beautiful language.
>
> Anthony
>
>>>> Wallace Chafe <chafe at LINGUISTICS.UCSB.EDU> 05/13/13 1:27 AM >>>
> I'm sort of a lurker on this list, because I don't have new things to
> say about Caddo. However, I'd like to second enthusiastically two of
> Bob's points. I've also decided that trying to serve two very different
> audiences doesn't work out very well, and that it's better to serve them
> separately. Also, and here I feel enormously guilty, everyone should be
> advised to do as much in the way of documentation as they can while they
> can. I'm trying in my spare time (!) to prepare a Caddo dictionary and
> texts, but I wish I'd devoted much more time to that many years ago. The
> very best speaker died in 1970 (!) and it was impossible to find anyone
> nearly as good after that. However, I probably could have tried harder
> and I was always distracted by the more rewarding situation among the
> Senecas. The beautiful Caddo language deserves better treatment than
> I've given it.
>
> Wally
>
> On 5/12/2013 1:59 PM, Rankin, Robert L. wrote:
>>> kóge glelábliⁿ gléblaⁿ húyaⁿ glelábliⁿnaⁿ gléblaⁿ glelábliⁿ aglíⁿ
>> glelábliⁿ."
>>
>> Dick Carter used to have a couple of Lakota personal names in which a
>> string of gl- and bl- sequences served as a humorous device.  Wish I
>> could remember them: maybe someone else can. One involved the word for
>> 'whirlwind'.
>>
>> Let me second Jimm's plea to all of you with untranscribed and/or
>> unanalyzed linguistic data, especially from Siouan languages than are
>> now extinct.  Just in my professional lifetime Quapaw, Osage, Kaw,
>> Tutelo, Ioway, and Otoe have gone.  Mandan is very close, and Hochank
>> is not too far behind with Ponca and Omaha in line behind those.  This
>> is not something I expected to see 40 years ago, but it is now all too
>> painfully obvious.
>>
>> And while I am reiterating Jimm's message, permit me to express a
>> prejudice that I have come to believe in very strongly.  For those of
>> you working on dictionaries and/or grammars, please do not fall into
>> the trap of trying to write a treatment that "will be useful to
>> students and linguists alike."  Such attempts, in my opinion and
>> experience, */always/* fall between two stools, and neither audience
>> is served thereby.  Just go ahead and write two books, one for Native
>> people who wish to learn the language, and another for linguists who
>> deserve a properly unintelligible technical treatment. Nowadays it is
>> not difficult to produce two parallel treatments with a word processor
>> using "find and replace" along with "cut and paste". The extra work
>> will be well worth the effort.  This is what LInda and I are trying to
>> do with Kaw.
>>
>> When I begain field work with Quapaw in 1972, I discovered I was
>> already a couple of years too late.  When I shifted my attention to
>> Kawin '73, I promised to complete a dictionary and grammar in a few
>> years. I finished the dictionary database in 1985, but it has now been
>> 40 years since I began, and a dictionary for teaching purposes has
>> only just appeared.  The text collection appeared only a couple of
>> years ago with the absolutely indispensable help of Justin and Linda.
>> I am now retired and 74 yrs. old.  I'll be lucky to finish the grammar
>> project, so please do */not/* follow in my footsteps and postpone the
>> writing until it's too late for the language and maybe too late for
> /you/.
>> Bob
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