Lakota phonetics

[De Reuse, Willem]

Thanks for the interesting comments, Bob.

And thanks for your input, David. Yes, this is indeed what I also find.  If Bob was correct about Lakota stress rules, then the numerous verbs with blu-, glu-, bla- gla-, would have stress on the first syllable, but they don't.

I think I am not Eurocentric about my phonology, though.  (After all, the first class in good ole American phonology I ever took, as a young wide-eyed European whippersnapper, was with you, Bob.)  The Eurocentrics are the ones who gave us Minnesota for mnisota, etc.  I admit to being a Lakotacentric sort of Siouanist.  But I think you, Bob, are of the Dhegihacentric sort!  ;-)

Willem
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From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Rankin, Robert L. [rankin at KU.EDU]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Lakota phonetics

I can't really speak for Dakotan, but in Dhegiha my recollection of words beginning with organic bl- (i.e. not 1sg conjugated verbs) accent the initial syllable, Bloga, blaska, blekka, and dozens of others. You just don't find a lot of *blVC(C)v'. I'm not as certain about reflexes of GL as they all lose their G in Osage and Kaw. I'm not counting forms with prefixes like wanblAke in Dakota altho' it matches my analysis.  I think it might be an interesting experiment to do a dictionary count in both Dakotan and Dhegiha.  Maybe I'm totally wrong about the accentual pattern; I'm working from memory here.

And we're gonna HAVE to get you away from that antiquated email program you use and into Unicode, Dude.

Bob
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From: Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of ROOD DAVID S [david.rood at COLORADO.EDU]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:15 PM
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Subject: Lakota phonetics

Bob, this time I think you're wrong for synchronic Lakota, and Willem is
right. There are hundreds of words which, if bl counted as a whole
syllable, would have to be considered to be stessed on the third syllable.
bluhA, blatkE, wanblAke, blokEtu.... ditto for gl. (My email doesn't do
accent marks.)That doesn't make sense: stress is on the first or second
syllable unless one of those syllables begins with bl, in which case it's
on the third?


David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu


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