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Not sure what you mean by 'same source'; they both contain PA */elen-/ 'ordinary, real'. However, they contain different finals: Illinois /irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks one's language' contains /-(i)wee-/, a 'by speech' final, while Illinois /ireniwa/ 'man' (< PA */elenyiwa/) appears to be a very old construction meaning something like 'real being, ordinary being'. <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">Thanks for the clarification, I missed the article (looking for it today), it does appear, though, that they both connect back to same source?</FONT></FONT> <BR>
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<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">Alan K</FONT></FONT> <BR>
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<B>From:</B> <FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><U>owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu</U></FONT> [<FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><U>mailto:owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu</U></FONT>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>David Costa<BR>
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<FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Looks like our thoughts overlapped here...<BR>
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Actually, I published an article that discussed the name 'Illinois' 4 years ago (<I>Miami-Illinois Tribe Names</I>. Papers of the 31st Algonquian Conference, pp. 30-53. {2000}). The name 'Illinois' does not come from the Illinois word for 'man', /ireniwa/. In fact, it comes from French, which borrowed it from the old <B>Ojibwe</B> name for the Illinois, /ilinwe/, pl. /ilinwek/. This in turn is an Ojibwe borrowing from Illinois /irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks in the regular way'. If you want to read my full argumentation for this etymology, it's on page 46-47 of the article.<BR>
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> That brings to mind the Proto_Algonquin term for " ordinary or even<BR>
> original, or plain ( =real) *eleni-" which shows as "leni-" below, it<BR>
> appears also in PA (Bloomfield) *eleneq$ipa "mallard duck" and perhaps<BR>
> in *elenyiwa "man" (which is the source of the ethnonym "Illinois").<BR>
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> Alan K</FONT> <BR>
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