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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>That’s
what I meant, constructions based on PA */<span class=SpellE>elen</span>-/ ‘ordinary,
real’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>Alan
K<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Costa<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 22, 2004
2:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> siouan@lists.colorado.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: horse paper</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Not sure what you mean by 'same source'; they both
contain PA */elen-/ 'ordinary, real'. However, they contain different finals:
Illinois /irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks one's language' contains
/-(i)wee-/, a 'by speech' final, while Illinois /ireniwa/ 'man' (< PA
*/elenyiwa/) appears to be a very old construction meaning something like 'real
being, ordinary being'. <br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks for the clarification, I missed the article (looking
for it today), it does appear, though, that they both connect back
to same source?</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Alan K</span></font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <u><font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'>owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu</span></font></u> [<u><font
color=blue><span style='color:blue'>mailto:owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu</span></font></u>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Costa<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 22, 2004
12:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <u><font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'>siouan@lists.colorado.edu<br>
</span></font></u><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re:
horse paper</span></font> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Looks like our thoughts overlapped here...<br>
<br>
Actually, I published an article that discussed the name 'Illinois' 4 years ago
(<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Miami-Illinois Tribe Names</span></i>.
Papers of the 31st Algonquian Conference, pp. 30-53. {2000}). The name
'Illinois' does not come from the Illinois word for 'man', /ireniwa/. In fact,
it comes from French, which borrowed it from the old <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Ojibwe</span></b> name for the Illinois, /ilinwe/, pl. /ilinwek/. This in
turn is an Ojibwe borrowing from Illinois /irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois,
speaks in the regular way'. If you want to read my full argumentation for this
etymology, it's on page 46-47 of the article.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<br>
> That brings to mind the Proto_Algonquin term for " ordinary or even<br>
> original, or plain ( =real) *eleni-" which shows as "leni-"
below, it<br>
> appears also in PA (Bloomfield) *eleneq$ipa "mallard duck"
and perhaps<br>
> in *elenyiwa "man" (which is the source of the ethnonym
"Illinois").<br>
> <br>
> Alan K <o:p></o:p></p>
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