<DIV> [John]
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>I think really that the essential<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>thing is that the verb continues to take (at least implicitly) its <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>normal<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>sort of object or patient and that the presence of the reflexive <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>indicates<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>that the subject and beneficiary are one.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>> In fact, it now occurs to me that ic'i-forms are the ONLY forms that <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">I<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>> have managed to elicit so far when benefactive reflexives were at <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">issue.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>I'm afraid I got lost here!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>What I meant (I should have made that more explicit) is that by the building-block logic of person marking in Lakota, one might expect that benefactive reflexives are coded by means of reflexive ic'i-forms plus the benefactive/possessive marker ki-, which would yield something like ic'ici- for third person singular benefactive reflexive. Today's Lakota session has revealed that such forms do, however, not exist. At least my speaker and me haven't been able to produce such an example. </P>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>[Jan/David]</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">> k'u is also used with ic?i in both reflexive and reflexive <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">benefactive:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">> Phezhi etaN' ii'c?ikcupi na owiN'shthuNpi.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">> They took some grass for themselves and spread it to sleep on<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">> Unki'yepi etaN'haN xeya'b ii'c?ikcu.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">> She has taken herself away from us.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>both of these examples are of icu, not k'u; that verb takes an <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>unexpected<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>extra -k- before the -c- in the suus forms and (apparently) with the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">>reflexive, too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Right. But the examples are very nice and illustrate the patientive/benefactive ambiguity of ic'i-forms. Here is another one with icu 'take':</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>peanuts <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>etaN <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>i-mic'i-kcu</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>peanuts<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>some<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>take-1SG.RFL-take</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>'I got myself some peanuts'<SPAN style="BACKGROUND: fuchsia; mso-highlight: fuchsia"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Regina</P></DIV>
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