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<DIV>In a message dated 11/30/2004 10:48:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, John.Koontz@colorado.edu writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>I think Crow c^i is usually from *ki, right? So then this suggests<BR>something like *kira-, which would make sense for the first syllable.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Yes, c^ could be from *ki, although it could also correspond to Hidatsa ts, which I believe reflects PS *s.</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial><BR>My initial instinct with xc^i/xta is that it looks a lot like the xti/xta<BR>'true, very' enclitic in MVS, etc. I'm don't recall if that occurs in<BR>Crow-Hidatsa. But I would expect something like -ta or -tu - can't<BR>remember how *t comes out before *u! - for *-taN or *-tuN. And then maybe<BR>-a for *-he? So, for *kyetVNh-e something like *c^ilata(a) or *c^ilatua?<BR>I don't see how to work the xt/xc^, even with simplification elsewhere.<BR>Too bad it's not ht/hc^! Then some kind of metathesis might be<BR>conceivable.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Crow doesn't have anything like the xti/xta 'true, very' enclitic. *tuN would come out as s^u in Crow.</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial><BR>Note, however, that the notes to the CSD entry talk about the hawk stem<BR>maybe involving several roots compounded together.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>That is a possibility. c^i- corresponds to one of the many ki's (dative, etc.) in MVS. c^i-laxchi could mean something like 'wrap up one's own', or 'one's own wrapped up or bound'. (c^i- would be a possessive reflexive prefix here.) But that analysis doesn't make much sense to me semantically for a bird term, and it think it is worthwhile to at least pursue the notion that c^ilaxchi' is a basic stem rather than a composite stem.</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial><BR>Would issa- be from *ikta- or *ihta-? I think the *kira- probably fits<BR>better, but obviously this isn't impossible either.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Yes, issa- could be from *ikta- or *ihta.</DIV>
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<DIV>Randy</DIV>
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