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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Aloha All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Perhaps someone can assist this fellow in his
inquiry about the Patoka/Paduca, please! My response was limited to the Fletcher
and La Flesche source.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Mahalo!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Mark Awakuni-Swetland</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mawakuni-swetland2@unl.edu
href="mailto:mawakuni-swetland2@unl.edu">Mark-Awakuni Swetland</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: paduka identity</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>mark, I pestered old John White about the paduca thing, and he said that
when he was going through stuff on the Miami tribe, he kept running into the
term Patoka. There's a river in Indiana named the Patoka River, in the old
Miami-Wea-Piankashaw stomping grounds. He pretty much insisted on the meaning as
slave by the Miamis, and said he thought the whole William Clark thing of naming
the city of Paduca was complete B.S. I have the George Hyde article on Paduca
identity, but the first page is missing, which would be the part before the
migration across the Mississippi. Maybe we'll never know for sure, but I think
it could be the stuff of a juicy manga comic or a screenplay.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
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href="mailto:mawakuni-swetland2@unl.edu">Mark-Awakuni Swetland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:BarryHaglan@msn.com
href="mailto:BarryHaglan@msn.com">Barry Haglan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 09, 2005 12:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: paduka identity</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Barry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>the Paduka are usually glossed as the
contemporary Comache. The Comanche are a relatively newly formed group of
Shoshoni bands emerging from the Great Basin onto the Southern Great Plains.
It is my understanding that they are classed linguistically as Uto-Aztecan,
not Dhegiha/Siouan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>This does not seem to match the information and
references you are citing. I cannot suggest an alternative persective to the
Mississippi valley appearance or the "slave" aspect.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>In Fletcher and La Flesche "The Omaha Tribe"
1911:49, 79-80, 88 the Padouca are noted as follows: The Ponca reportedly
encountered the Padouca on their buffalo hunts near the Rocky Mountains. The
Ponca and Padouca battled until a Ponca killed a Padouca warrior, following
which the Padouca sued for peace.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Omaha were reported as knowing the Padouca in
their western-most territory, and knowing of a Padouca village on the Dismal
River.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Mark Awakuni-Swetland</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:BarryHaglan@msn.com href="mailto:BarryHaglan@msn.com">Barry
Haglan</A> </DIV>
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title=mailto:mawakuni-swetland2@unl.edu
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 09, 2005 11:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> paduka identity</DIV>
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<DIV>dr. a-s, my friend John White, a student of the Illinois-speaking
tribes, told me that the Paduka were a Dhegiha group that didn't cross the
Mississippi until circa 1710. He said Paduka meant "slave" in
Illinois-Miami, and both the Chickasaw and Illini raided them for fresh
genetics. Have you ever heard of anyone calling themselves Paduka? The only
thing I've seen is an old paper by George Hyde that leaves out a lot. Sounds
like a good title for a Tarantino thriller...<EM>SEARCH for the LOST
PADUKAS</EM>!</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BODY></HTML>