<DIV id=RTEContent><BR><BR><B><I>Koontz John E <John.Koontz@colorado.edu></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <div>...I noticed recently a remark in Dorsey's paper on dwellings, tools, etc.,<BR>that the Omaha dealt with arrows in standardized sets - there is even a<BR>word for such a set - and not as individual artifacts. Since sets were<BR>usually of ten arrows each, it seems on that basis that the urge to count<BR>by tens may go back at least as far as the introduction of the bow. On<BR>the other hand, perhaps throwing spears were also handled in sets, though<BR>maybe smaller ones. Another instance of systematized counting might be the<BR>use of bundles of sticks to represent honors. Men are reported to have<BR>recounted their honors by working through their sets of sticks. The<BR>handgame also involves a system of formal counters, though the modern form<BR>is fairly recent and I don't
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the counters are earlier.<BR><BR>Rory - what do you think about the use of kku'ge 'box' for 'thousand'?<BR>Does this imply that 1000 is a new concept, or is it a new word for an old<BR>concept? How widespread is 'box' in this sense? I just noticed in the<BR>texts that kku'ge often appears glossed 'box' when a numerical<BR>interpretation is clearly meant.</div> <div> </div> <div>John,</div> <div>If I may offer...in Dr. James H. Howard's work titled "The Ponca Tribe" (BAE Bulletin 195) he states on page 73,</div> <div> </div> <div><EM>"The term for one thousand is derived from the fact that the money which the Ponca received for treaty payments came in boxes which contained $1,000 each."</EM> <BR><BR>Hope it helps,</div> <div>Jonathan</div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR><BR><DIV>
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