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<DIV>IOM "thousand" is also -koge- "box". The elders explained that the
box referred to the Army box of 1000 rounds of ammunition.</DIV>
<DIV>It seems, that somewhere, I saw a reference that "koge" originally used for
a parflesche container.</DIV>
<DIV>Jimm</DIV>
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<A title=okibjonathan@yahoo.com href="mailto:okibjonathan@yahoo.com">Jonathan
Holmes</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=siouan@lists.colorado.edu
href="mailto:siouan@lists.colorado.edu">siouan@lists.colorado.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: O/P term for one
thousand</DIV>
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<DIV id=RTEContent><BR><BR><B><I>Koontz John E <<A
href="mailto:John.Koontz@colorado.edu">John.Koontz@colorado.edu</A>></I></B>
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<DIV>...I noticed recently a remark in Dorsey's paper on dwellings, tools,
etc.,<BR>that the Omaha dealt with arrows in standardized sets - there is
even a<BR>word for such a set - and not as individual artifacts. Since sets
were<BR>usually of ten arrows each, it seems on that basis that the urge to
count<BR>by tens may go back at least as far as the introduction of the bow.
On<BR>the other hand, perhaps throwing spears were also handled in sets,
though<BR>maybe smaller ones. Another instance of systematized counting
might be the<BR>use of bundles of sticks to represent honors. Men are
reported to have<BR>recounted their honors by working through their sets of
sticks. The<BR>handgame also involves a system of formal counters, though
the modern form<BR>is fairly recent and I don't know if the counters are
earlier.<BR><BR>Rory - what do you think about the use of kku'ge 'box' for
'thousand'?<BR>Does this imply that 1000 is a new concept, or is it a new
word for an old<BR>concept? How widespread is 'box' in this sense? I just
noticed in the<BR>texts that kku'ge often appears glossed 'box' when a
numerical<BR>interpretation is clearly meant.</DIV>
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<DIV>John,</DIV>
<DIV>If I may offer...in Dr. James H. Howard's work titled "The Ponca
Tribe" (BAE Bulletin 195) he states on page 73,</DIV>
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<DIV><EM>"The term for one thousand is derived from the fact that the money
which the Ponca received for treaty payments came in boxes which contained
$1,000 each."</EM> <BR><BR>Hope it helps,</DIV>
<DIV>Jonathan</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR><BR>
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