<div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">It all depends on how you define “topic”. If topic is the same as the English subject, then there is, as you say, a topic change on the two examples I gave. It’s different here:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">h^tal-ehaN wophethuN wa-I na iNs^ le aNpetu ki chuwignake waN wa-kayeg^e<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">yesterday<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>shop<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1SG.AG-go and CON this day DEF<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>dress IDF<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1SG.AG-sew<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">‘yesterday I went shopping and today I sewed a dress’<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">h^tal-ehaN wophethuN wa-I na le aNpetu ki iNs^ chuwignake waN wa-kayeg^e<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS
Mincho'">yesterday<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>shop<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1SG.AG-go and this day DEF<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>CON dress IDF<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1SG.AG-sew<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">‘yesterday I went shopping and today I sewed a dress’<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">Harry Sally wowapi k’u na iNs^ Mary waks^ica cha k’u<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman';
mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">H.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>S.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>book<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>give<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>and<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>CON<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>M. plate<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>such<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>give<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">‘Harry gave Sally books and he gave Mary plates’<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman';
mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'">Regina<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div><BR><BR><B><I>shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou@yahoo.co.uk></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Interestingly, however, your two examples do show change of topic. Can you think of an example where it doesn't?<BR>Bruce<BR><BR><B><I>REGINA PUSTET <pustetrm@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">In my data, i(N)s^ is used mainly as a marker for strong contrast, as in<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN><FONT face="Courier New"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Sally is^tiNme na
Harry iNs^ TV waNyaNke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">S.<SPAN> </SPAN>sleep<SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>and H.<SPAN> </SPAN>CON<SPAN> </SPAN>TV<SPAN> </SPAN>watch<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">‘Sally is sleeping and Harry is watching TV’<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">or<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN><FONT face="Courier New"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Sally is^tiNme na iNs^ Harry TV waNyaNke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">S.<SPAN> </SPAN>sleep<SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>and CON<SPAN> </SPAN>H.<SPAN> </SPAN>TV<SPAN> </SPAN>watch<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">‘Sally is sleeping and Harry is watching TV’<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">This can, but doesn’t have to, be accompanied by topic change, introduction of a different argument, and similar notions. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Regina</SPAN><BR><BR><B><I>shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou@yahoo.co.uk></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">It would be a great help if they were, as I always find this difficult in Lakota. The is^ eya complex often seems to signify a change of topic or subject, but it is very hard to tie down<BR>Bruce<BR><BR><B><I>ROOD DAVID S <rood@spot.Colorado.EDU></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>Lungstrum's dissertation claims that chanke and yukhan are switch <BR>reference markers, defining "reference" as any major change of scene, <BR>characters, point of view, or some other discontinuity. I wasn't
<BR>convinced.<BR><BR>David<BR><BR><BR>David S. Rood<BR>Dept. of Linguistics<BR>Univ. of Colorado<BR>295 UCB<BR>Boulder, CO 80309-0295<BR>USA<BR>rood@colorado.edu<BR><BR>On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, willemdereuse@unt.edu wrote:<BR><BR>> Hi all:<BR>><BR>> I have always thought that the chankhe/yunkhan alternation of conjunctions in <BR>> Lakota texts, first discussed by Chafe (I think) and then by Dahlstrom had <BR>> something to do with obviation. It is definitely not switch-reference. Does <BR>> Richard Lungstrum's diss. say anything about this? I am sorry to say I have <BR>> not yet gotten hold of a copy of Richard's diss.<BR>><BR>> Willem de Reuse Quoting "Rankin, Robert L" <RANKIN@KU.EDU>:<BR>><BR>>> As Rory points out, Dhegiha languages have something very similar <BR>>> distinguishing primary from non-primary actors. Ardis's dissertation was <BR>>> at least partly on this distinction in Omaha.<BR>>> <BR>>> I have
toyed with the idea of trying to redefine the "switch-reference" <BR>>> distinction in those Siouan languages that have it as an obviation <BR>>> distinction. Such redefinition clearly works in Muskogean, where it is the <BR>>> only way to tie "S-R" and argument marking particles together without a <BR>>> hopelessly complex appeal to homophony, but I haven't really gotten down to <BR>>> the business of trying to demonstrate it in Siouan. Clearly the more <BR>>> inclusive concept of "referent tracking" operates in Siouan grammars, <BR>>> though it differs from language to language. If I had to guess, I'd say it <BR>>> is historically primary in Algonquian but secondary in Siouan.<BR>>> <BR>>> What were the papers you're referring to on Algonquian?<BR>>> <BR>>> Bob<BR>>> <BR>>> ________________________________<BR>>> <BR>>> From: owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu on behalf of
Marino<BR>>> Sent: Thu 5/31/2007 12:20 AM<BR>>> To: siouan@lists.colorado.edu<BR>>> Subject: obviation in Siouan languages<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> There were two excellent papers on obviation in Cree at the CLA<BR>>> meetings. One of the presenters asked me if there is obviation in any of<BR>>> the Siouan languages. I have a vague memory that this has come up before,<BR>>> but I can't find time to troll through the archives. Any suggestions?<BR>>> <BR>>> Best<BR>>> Mary Marino<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>><BR>><BR></RANKIN@KU.EDU></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> <HR SIZE=1> Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, <A href="http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html">sign up for your free account today</A>.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV></DIV> <HR SIZE=1> You snooze, you lose. <A
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