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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=941060917-26092007>Adding to Bob's
"etc." These afterthought NPs are also common in Mandan, and they occur
after the illocutionary force indicators; they specify/emphasize the main
referent in the sentence. Intonation contour makes it appear that they
aren't "afterthoughts," but typically specify the exact reference of a subject
or object pronoun. I was surprised by them, but Catherine's paper made
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<B>From:</B> owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu
[mailto:owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Catherine
Rudin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
siouan@lists.colorado.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Postposed referents or just
afterthoughts?<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, "too many for afterthought alone" was my conclusion too.
Beyond that it was pretty much a vague "some kind of topicality" idea.
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<DIV>Incidentally, I just looked back at the paper I sent out earlier to
remind myself what I said (oy - I'm getting feeble minded) and saw that the
examples are practically illegible. I used fonts back then that my
system no longer supports, and I suspect most of you guys also see an amusing
array of hieroglyphics if you try to read it... Please accept my
apologies. If anyone would like a corrected version, with examples in
the current orthography, do let me know; I'm planning on fixing it right away,
before I forget, and it won't take long. </DIV>
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<DIV>Catherine<BR><BR>>>> rankin@ku.edu 9/26/2007 9:30 AM
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<DIV style="COLOR: #000000">I remember that paper, although I can't remember
if it was one of the ones that was published. The Siouan Bibliography or
Catherine can tell you. As I recall, in her elicited data she was getting
something like 11% postposed subjects; far too many for afterthought alone.
They also occur in Kaw,
etc.<BR><BR>Bob<BR><BR> _____<BR><STRONG>From:</STRONG>
owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Bryan Gordon<STRONG>
Sent:</STRONG> Tue 9/25/2007 4:38 PM<STRONG> To:</STRONG>
siouan@lists.colorado.edu<STRONG> Subject:</STRONG> Postposed referents or
just afterthoughts?<BR><BR>I'm sure we're all looking forward to MALC. I'm
preparing a handout to my presentation there, which concerns the problem of
postposed referents in Ponca and Omaha. Since the assumed canonical order is
SOV, of course, any postposed referent begs the question: "Is this a part of
the sentence, or an afterthought?" Erkin her 1983 dissertation on Turkish
claimed that given/activated postposed referents are intrasentential while
non-activated referents are afterthoughts. This can be tested empirically by
looking at prosody, but unfortunately my data has no prosodic information (you
can all hazard a guess why). I think Erkproposal makes sense for OP, and I
remember reading some sort of discussion of OVS and SVO word order in OP
before in which the same question was raised. Can anyone remind me of where I
might have read that? I think it would have been one of Rudin's papers. -
Bryan James Gordon PS: Who all is presenting Siouan stuff at MALC? PPS: If
anyone will be in Boulder the first weekend of October, feel free to give me a
call: I'm there for CLASP. 612 239 7094<BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>