True abstract notions are difficult to sort out. In Lakota I note that I have a word woableze 'perception' and would think that ableza 'to perceive, understand' could stand for 'feel' as well'. The word slolya 'know, experience' also comes near to it as in teh^i slolya 'experience difficulties, have a hard time'. Often as you note there is a specific word for things like 'feel sad', feel happy' sometimes involving chante 'heart' obviously in Lakota the seat of emotions. So one finds chante s^ica 'feel sad', chante was^te 'feel happy'. The word thawacin is also often translated 'feelings, emotions' though I can't think how it could be used in a sentence. I would love to know what other Lakotanists think might stand for 'feel, feelings'.<br>Bruce<br><br><b><i>BARudes@aol.com</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16544" name="GENERATOR"><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> <div> <div>In a message dated 11/29/2007 12:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goodtracks@peoplepc.com writes:</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> <div><font color="#800080">First, the word is that John is well and attending to every day life stuff as we all do.</font></div> <div><font color="#800080"></font> </div> <div><font color="#800080">Second, I got to thinking about the word "Feelings". In IOM, there are words for "feel" as in touch; there are also words, often adjectives that can be rendered as intransitive (stative) verbs, i.e., feel ... (good, bad, sick, helpless, angry, relieved, ignored). I have "hurt someone's feelings" and
"feel like...(whatever...sleep, standing, speaking).</font></div> <div><font color="#800080">But a word for the genre, I find nothing. I looked up cognate languages for "feelings" and what little I found, tend to give results similar to what I have in IOM. I looked in Johannes' Hochank, Carolyn's Osage, Mark's Omaha, Buechel's Lakota and Williamson's Dakota. Noone seems to take up the subject of Abstract Notions.</font></div> <div><font color="#800080"></font> </div> <div><font color="#800080">Maybe it is not worthy of discussion, or not a legitimate concern.</font></div> <div><font color="#800080"></font> </div> <div><font color="#800080">I dont recall that the list has had discussions on abstract notions. Unlike the nouns of material stubstance, they tend to be a bit elusive. But they are indispensible to mature conversation in any language.</font></div> <div><font
color="#800080">Jimm</font></div> <div><font color="#800080"></font> </div> <div><font color="#800080"></font> </div></font></blockquote></div> <div></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Jimm,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Abstract notions are absolutely a legitimate concern and an all to often overlooked one. One difficulty is that discovering the terms for abstract notions for a non-native speaker often requires abandoning preconceived notions of what those terms should be.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">In English and the languages of other Indo-European cultures, there is a metaphoric association of emotions with physical sensations. Thus, the use of the term “feelings” for emotions. In other cultures, emotions are associated with non-physical phenomena of cognition. For example in the Tuscarora language (and other Northern Iroquoian languages), emotions belong to the “class” of phenomena that are “classified” by the abstract noun root <em>-?tikeNhr-</em> ‘mind’ (<em>-?nikuhr-</em> in Mohawk, <em>-?nikuhl-</em> in Oneida, <em>-?nikoNhR-</em> in Seneca, Cayuga, and Mohawk). If you look at any dictionary of an Iroquoian language, you will find that terms incorporating the noun root for ‘mind’ refer to thinking, believing, and (emotional) feeling. In addition, the verb stems that incorporate the noun root for ‘mind’ also include
“states-of-being” that would be considered in Western culture to be physical conditions. As one example, I once asked Marjorie (Marge) Printup – a fluent speaker of Tuscarora who has since passed away – how to translate the expression “drug-free” into Tuscarora. She responded with the word <em>ka?tikeNhran`ureN?</em>, which literally means “a precious mind”. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I have not specifically looked at the Catawba data for such abstract notions, but nothing comes to mind. But of course the data on Catawba are very limited, not only in quantity but in what the researchers thought to ask about.<span style=""> </span>If I run across any relevant information, I will post it on the
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