<div>(quoting Jan)</div> <div><FONT color=#0000ff>>The only difference is that the speakers I consult still use palatalization after ichi, so I would >get ichi-cas^ka rather than ichi-kas^ka etc.</FONT></div> <div> </div> <div>With some ichi-forms I have in my files, there is free variation between subsequnt palatalization and non-palatalization. But yes, we have discussed that before, it's something that varies from verb to verb, from dialect to dialect, and possibly from speaker to speaker.</div> <div> </div> <div>>> ichi-khokapi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>'they are linked to each other'<SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></div> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>> I would spell this ichi-khoyakapi. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div>So would I. At least khoyaka is the only version of this
verb I know. But sometimes the short forms have become the new standard, and the're worth quoting as such, Just think of the realizations of plural -pi. In some phonetic environments, the full form -pi is not acceptable to native speakers any more.</div> <div> </div> <div><FONT color=#0000ff>>> </FONT>iyeciNkyaNke ki ichi-yaphapi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>'the cars bumped into each other, in an accident'<SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></div> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007>>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>a-kichi-phapi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>'they hit each other'<SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times
New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>>I would argue that these don't represent a minimal pair. ichi-yaphapi comes from ichi + >iyapha whicle akichiphapi originates in aphA and kichi-.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div> </div> <div>That's what I was trying to say, if you agree that kichi- is the reciprocal marker here.</div> <div> </div> <div>Regina</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Jan Ullrich <jfu@centrum.cz></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007>Hi Regina, </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007>that is a nice and representative list and
is also well in line with my findings. The only difference is that the speakers I consult still use palatalization after ichi, so I would get ichi-cas^ka rather than ichi-kas^ka etc. but I think the two of us have discussed that before.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> > </FONT></SPAN>ichi-khokapi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>'they are linked to each other'<SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would spell this ichi-khoyakapi. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Khoyaka and its derivatives have a very hight number of fast speech variants and idiolectal forms which might be difficult to decipher at times.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> > </FONT></SPAN>iyeciNkyaNke ki ichi-yaphapi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>'the cars bumped into each other, in an accident'<SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>a-kichi-phapi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>'they hit each other'<SPAN
class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would argue that these don't represent a minimal pair. ichi-yaphapi comes from ichi + iyapha whicle akichiphapi originates in aphA and kichi-.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007>I also agree that ichi is much less productive today and in fact some speakers tend to replace it with i- in some cases, so for 'to compare things' some say ichiwanyanka while others say iwanyanka.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=562121216-17122007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jan</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=562121216-17122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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