<br><br><b><i>shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou@yahoo.co.uk></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">><br><br> Interesting, but it isn't quite the same thing, because the verb is as you say a stative verb with 'me' as the patient and not really a reciprocal ie the other participant is introduced by a postposition kichi- ie you don't say ichiunkaphapi in the way that you can say wanunkichiyankapi 'we saw each other'. I'd be interested to know if true reciprocals of that sort can occur with ichi-<br>Bruce<br><br><b><i>Jan Ullrich <jfu@centrum.cz></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:13:28 +0100<br>From: "Jan Ullrich" <jfu@centrum.cz><br>To: <siouan@lists.colorado.edu><br>Subject: RE: another Siouan question<br><br> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><title>Zpráva</title> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name="GENERATOR"> <div><span class="828381113-20122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Paul kichi ichiyamapha. 'Paul and I bumped into each other.' </font></span></div> <div><span class="828381113-20122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">from ichiyapha 'to bump into each other' which is a stative verb</font></span></div> <div><span class="828381113-20122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="828381113-20122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Jan</font></span></div> <blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;"> <div></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan@lists.colorado.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>shokooh
Ingham<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> siouan@lists.colorado.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: another Siouan question<br><br></font></div>Jan,<br>Can you get examples of animates where the -ichi- expresses reciprocity between two animates without having a separate outside agent as with the 'he' in your examples ie a sentence like wankichiyankapi 'they saw each other' with an -ichi-<br>Bruce<br><br><b><i>Jan Ullrich <jfu@centrum.cz></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;"> <div></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial"> (quoting Bruce Ingham)</font></span></font></font></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><span class="266112914-19122007"></span></font></font> </div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><span class="266112914-19122007">> </span></font></font>My impression with the -ichi- versus -kichi- is that when reciprocal the ichi- occurs with inanimates and that the kichi- usually with animates. <span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">></font> </span>Is that the case with your examples Jan? <span class="266112914-19122007"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"></span> </div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">No, I have recorded sentences where animates occur with ichi, as in</font></span></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">NuphiN ichiyauNphapi cha ksuyeuNyaNpe lo. 'He hit us against each other and hurt us.'</font></span></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span
class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">IchiwaNwichayaNke. 'He compared them."</font></span></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Jan</font></span></div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="cs"><span class="266112914-19122007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div></blockquote></blockquote><br> <div> </div><hr size="1"> Sent from <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51949/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html">Yahoo!</a> - a smarter inbox.</blockquote></blockquote><br><div> </div><hr size="1"> Sent from <a
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