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<br><div><div>On 13/01/2008, at 2:40 PM, Clive Bloomfield wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Emil AFH Text :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Thiwahe kin lel April 7th, 1506, ehanl <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">akhe</font> thokata akichita sh'akin kta wan thonpi. He Don Juan de Jassu na Doña Maria de Azpilcueta chincapi ca wichicisakpe hakakta <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1px; ">thaowachekiyepi el miniakashtanpi na Francis eya chasthonpi.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Wildenhues :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">"Here on April 7th, 1506, another great knight of the future was born. He was the sixth and last child of Don Juan de Jassu and Doña Maria de Azpilcueta, and at his</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">baptism in the parish church received the name of Francis."</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A literal version :</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; ">"Into this family, on April 7th, 1506, was born one who was to prove again & again, in future years, a mighty soldier. This (babe), the son of Don Juan de Jassu and</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">Donna Maria de Azpilcueta, as their sixth-born youngest offspring, was baptized in their (family) chapel, and christened "Francisco/Francis." (lit. "Francis saying</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">they-named-him."</font></div></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[NOTES : Seems to be nothing especially noteworthy here.]</div></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>I take this back! Now, as we all know, the word <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">akhe'</font> means "<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">again; a second time</font>" <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF00FF">[B-Md., s.v.]</font> "<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">again; repeated; a second time</font>" <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF00FF">[Riggs, DakEngD, s.v.]</font>. </div><div>In any case, one might perhaps have expected <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">akhe'shnashna (or s'a maybe)</font> to correspond my translation "again & again" there. </div><div>Clearly, in this context, Xavier has only just entered this Vale of Tears, so how COULD <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">akhe'</font> there mean "again/a second time"?</div><div>Doesn't <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">akhe'</font> (especially followed immediately by thoka'ta, & in a prospective KTA clause) mean there, something more like : "in time <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">yet to come</font>/in subsequent years"?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Accordingly, I would retranslate thus :</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>"<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Into this family, on Apr.7, 1506, was born one who was destined/bound to become</font>, <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">in time/years to come</font>, <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">to be a mighty soldier.</font>"</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Correct?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Further, one also notes with interest that perhaps more than a hint of this sense appears to occur in another familiar adverb/Stative Verb "eha'ke" (which, as we know, normally means "last" [B&D,p.139]; also "be last" [Buech.LakotaT&T., 215]), when used with hunh /huNh^/ 'some' in such sentences as Buech. Gr.'s examples on Page 338, #198, 3) :</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Ma'zaska eha'ke hunh^ wachi'n. [='I want a little more money."]</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Wicha'sha eha'ke hunh^ wanji'la chin. [="He wants one man more."]</div><div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Q.1 : IF eha'ke adds the nuance : 'more, <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">but for the last time, no more!</font>' (which akhe' may not have), wouldn't Fr. B. have translated (or annotated) accordingly, or just used akhe'?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Q.2 : Would substitution of akhe' (for eha'ke) in either sentence substantially alter the translation, or not? Is this an example of Fr. B.'s bad Lakhota idiom?</div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Q.3 : Does the loss of aspiration there in "eha'Ke" conclusively rule out any possible cognate status with "akhe"? Or is this just a false trail? </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br></div><div>Finally, I note that, interestingly enough, S.R. Riggs has <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">two</font> separate entries for <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">eha'ke</font> in his Dakota Dict. (Buechel does supply both meanings, but collapses them into one entry). B&D (p. 139) have "last". :</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>1) <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">EHA'KE</font> : (advb.) "Yet, yet to come." Example : <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">eha'ke wanji'dan</font> : "one yet"</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>2) <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">EHA'KE</font> : (n.) "the last one".</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>There are also the fascinating words :</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">EHA'KEDAN/EHA'KEDANKASE/EHA'KEDANKECHINHAN</font> : (advb.) "yet a little while".</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Emil AFH Text :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Francis atkuku Don Juan, tohantan kin akichita oyuonihanyeh^ci unpi kin hecha etanhan ohutkanke, na wokinihanca hecha, heon Wichashayatapi John eciyapi Navarra etanhan kin owotanla kilah^ca wiyukcan khiye, <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">chankhe</font> oehake iyagleya <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">wichakeya</font> nakicijin, eya <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">hecheca esha</font> waphipishni na woshkishke echela <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">wishi</font> yuhah^ce <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">k'eyash</font>.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Wildenhues :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">"Don Juan, his father, noble scion of a long line of honoured knights, was the trusted counsellor of his king, John of Navarre, and was faithful to the last, though</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">trouble & misfortune were the only recompense he ever received for his loyalty."</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A literal version :</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"Don Juan, the father of Francis, being the type of man ('hecha') who derived his roots from (lit. "had roots in/rooted in") the sort of people who had, from time out of mind ('tohantan'), been warriors of great renown, was a highly respected man : hence it was that he had incurred the estimation (<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">with/in the eyes of</font>) King John of Navarre (lit. <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">"the one called K.J. from Navarre"</font>), of being one whose highest value was integrity/uprightness/'straightshooting'/honour, <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">and so</font> he <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">actually</font> stood by him till the (bitter/very) end ('oehake'), in spite of the fact that he was ill-starred, and even though he only ever received trouble/messy complications in recompense."</div></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">OR, perhaps :</font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000"> </font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">"(D.J., </font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">in the event</font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">, stood by King Juan)..</font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">.even though that was the case (he'checa esha'), all the reward (wishi'...k'eyash<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">) he ever reaped from that , was ill-luck and trouble.</font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">"</font></span></font></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">[NOTES : <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; "> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">Was particularly perplexed by the exact meaning here, of the verb "kila" with that attached intensifier-->"kilah^ca". </span></span></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">[Perhaps : "He [D.J.] passionately believed in (his own) honour."</font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000"> </font> </span></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">The sentence's <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">SUBJECT</font> seemed to me to be "Don Juan", who, we are told, incurred an opinion ('wiyukcankhiye'), <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">[</font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">with/in the eyes of] the King called John of Navarre </font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">(DIRECT OBJECT?)]</font>, of being one who passionately believed ['kilah^ca'] in honour/honesty. <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">I WAS ALSO EXERCISED BY</font> the precise subordinating construction governed by that Causative : "khiye". </font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>Apologies for the garbling there.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia"></font></div></span></font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Emil AFH text :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Navarra el othonwahe wan aithanchanyan yanke kin he Pampeluna e, yunkhan he echa nakikshinpi na el akichita sh'aka wan, Ignatius eciyapi Loyola etanhan kin <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">OIGLUSHICIN</font> na heon hankeya makha woyuonihan el oshkinchiyeh^ce k'un hena ayushtan, na isamya wowashi wophethethushni oic'ile kta cha, Ithanchan Thawa Iyotan Thanka kin etkiya Christ Jesus.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">Wildenhues :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: 13.0px Georgia">"The capital of Navarre is the city of Pampeluna, in the defense of which, another great knight, Ignatius of Loyola, received that injury which led hin to abandon the career of worldly honour and to seek a more honorable service in the livery of His Supreme Commander, Christ Jesus."</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">Another version :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">"The capital/leading city of Navarre is Pamplona, and there, during its defence a mighty warrior, Ignatius Loyola, <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">GOT HIMSELF INTO A TERRIBLE PLIGHT</font>, and for that reason he</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">finally quit his feverish endeavours/activities in honour of land (conquests?), in order to seek out for himself a less mercenary occupation, for the sake of his Supreme Lord, Christ Jesus."</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">[NOTES : <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">Exact sense of Reflexive Verb "oiglushicA" remains unclear to me - ones learns from historical research that St. Ignatius Loyola, a founder of the Jesuits, (as was St. Fr. Xavier), was originally a rapacious military captain who had his leg shattered by a cannonball, in the siege of Pamplona</span>. </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">Here, (pace Frs. B.&M.'s definition of : 'spoil one's own reputation;'disgrace oneself'), the word would appear to signify not much more than 'got himself hurt'/'got himself into bad trouble'. </font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; "></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">To support this interpretation, Buech.-Md. also has : iglu'shicA : "to make oneself bad/get ones's self into difficulty". </font></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000"><br></font><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">I'm really not sure exactly what that locative o- prefix adds there! Could it be just emphasize that the disastrous incident happened to I. L. 'IN that place/city' ?</font></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; "></font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">The fascinating word "wopheth<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">ETH</font>u(n)shni", I thought to be prob. based on the Root "ophethun" [="buy"], so I interpreted the word as a Reduplicated & negated Stative Verb/"adjective" <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">(or adverb.)</font> referring to the "wowasi" with a sense something akin to :</font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">"(He sought out for himself) "wowasi" [=work, occupation] that was "isamya" [=more]</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="4" style="font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; ">"non-commercial-->unsordid"--> 'less mercenary/involving less filthy lucre'.]</font></div></span></div></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">Seems an unusual reduplication? Checked the spelling. Would't one have expected : wophethunTHUNshni? Misprint/typo?</font><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Regards,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Clive Bloomfield.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal Georgia; min-height: 15px; "><br></div></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>