<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Am 28.01.2008 um 01:28 schrieb Clive Bloomfield:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-size: 15px; ">A) Emil AFRAID-OF-HAWK TEXT [p.19] :</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 17.5px/normal Georgia; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Iteoyuze awichableze kin</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>hingnaku kin wachantokpani tkha wowachinye nica wicasha kin hecha, na hoksila kin insh waechinchinpika wachantokpanipi<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF00FF">kin</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>hecha<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">ableze</font>.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 10px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="5" style="font-size: 16px; ">B) Ann NOLAN CLARK's original [p.18] :</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 10px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 10px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Georgia" size="5" style="font: normal normal normal 17.5px/normal Georgia; ">"She read in their faces the hopeless longing of the man, the eager longing of the boy."</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(...)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; ">As regards that intriguing word 'waechinchinpika' (not in Riggs, or B-Md.), I had to guess at the meaning from the context, as well as being, of course, guided by Nolan Clark's English original. </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; ">Also, B-Md's lovely word "waekichinchinke" glossed thus : "one who persists in asking; one who wants sthg. very badly, and often asks", based presumably on the same basic root : "chin", also sheds much semantic light, I believe. </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; ">The animate plural -pi suffixes, on waechinchin(pi)ka & wachantokpani(pi), led me to realize that the final 'kin' before 'hecha ableze', <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF1622">in all likelihood, marked a Partitive construction with hecha</font>. </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; ">Also, one has often heard people endowed with such traits, characterized as "squeaky-wheels", hence that rendering. </span></font></div></span></font></div></div></span></blockquote><br></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Dear Clive, I like your interpretation (and, of course, the text!). What's really fascinating for me is by what economical means of grammar the most sophisticated sentences can be expressed in iyapi! (Okay, this original one doesn't seem to be too complex.)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Also, I not only learnt a new nice word (waekicincinke - there are many to be found in Toka wan ..., though) but also those squeaky-wheels (getting the grease) - Nörgler, Meckerer, Nervensäge, Quengler etc. were new to me :) Thanks! </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Alfred</span></font></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>_______________</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>