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Rory,<br>
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My mom said Frida was Jewish from Germany.<br>
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There was also rumor (unsubstantiated) that many German linguists were
sent to Native American communities in the early 1930s (as Hitler was
coming to power). Their work was well funded and given high priority.
Hitler was aware of the U.S. using Shawnee and Choctaw speakers in
W.W.-I and was trying to document other Native Languages. Most of the
German scholars were unaware of the manipulation at play and nearly all
were recalled back to their universities before 1939.<br>
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I have heard this story from several different people over the years,
including - oddly enough - two Comanche Code Talkers from W.W.-II. But,
I have never seen empirical evidence to substantiate the tales. Nearly
every tribe in Oklahoma, however, has stories of German linguists
"visiting" amongst their tribe in the early 1930s.<br>
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Could be a myth...could be true. It would be interesting to find
additional info on this chapter.<br>
<br>
TML<br>
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Rory M Larson wrote:
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<tt><font size="2">I'm confused. What "holocaust" are
we talking about here? Were the Hahns Jewish or non-Jewish Germans?
If they were Germans from Russia who had come to America before Frida
was even born, what authority would Third Reich Germany have had to
call
Frida "back" to Germany? Why only her, and not the rest
of her family? If she was Jewish, why would they want to at a time
they were trying to expel the Jews? If she was non-Jewish, she might
have moved there voluntarily, and perhaps died there in the following
decade.
There were probably about three million or so German civilians that
died during or after the war from Allied bombing or in the massive
population
expulsion of Germans from the eastern parts of their country by the
Russians,
Poles and Czechs. Would on-line "holocaust" lists include
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<tt><font size="2">Rory</font></tt>
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<tt><font size="2">Thanks for adding that information. We were
afraid something like that had happened. The Hahns of Lincoln were
Germans from Russia (like many of the Germans of western KS and other
midwestern
states), so she would have known the language since both parents and an
older sister had been born abroad and her father was not yet a citizen.
I guess it might pay to check in Lincoln in any event.<br>
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The holocaust lists that are on-line give at least three Frida Hahns
and
a number of others with spelling variants. The late '30s would have
been a particularly bad time to go back to Germany. <br>
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Thanks again for the info.<br>
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Bob<br>
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Subject: Re: Frida Hahn<br>
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Thought I'd add a bit regarding Freida Hahn.<br>
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My Ponca mother, Josetta Rush was friends with Freida. She had many
stories
about her. To my best understanding, as mom told it, Freida was German.
She actually told a story about how they (Poncas) were all amazed that
Freida could "i'e with those German ukhi'te at Miller's 101 Ranch"
(German WWI POWs that never went back).<br>
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Some time in the late 30s Freida was called back to Germany and she
went.
Mom said that all the Ponca boys that went to Europe in WWII tried to
find
her, but to no avail. Mom and her sisters tried to locate her through
the
Red Cross, but they never found her. The fear has always been that she
had been killed in the holocaust.<br>
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TML<br>
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Rankin, Robert L wrote: <br>
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I did a little more checking on Frida Hahn, the student of Franz Boas
who
wrote the Ponca grammar found in the Gordon Marsh Collection of the
APS.
There was a Frida Hahn listed in the 1920 US Census from Lincoln,
Nebraska, daughter of one William Hahn who had emigrated from Russia.
At
the time our Frida was exchanging correspondence with Franz Boas she
would
have been 23-27 years old -- just about right for a graduate student.
And
she might have been naturally attracted to study Ponca since she was
from
Nebraska. According to the Census figures, below, she apparently
had a brother and possibly three sisters. <br>
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Those of you living in the Lincoln area might want to make some phone
calls
to the Hahns in the Lincoln phone directory and see if any of the names
below rings a bell. There may be some children or grandchildren still
around, and we could clear up the question "What ever happened to
Frida Hahn?" once and for all. They might appreciate the information
we have about her too.<br>
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Her father and mother were both born in Russia<br>
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NAME
STATUS AGE FATHER BIRTHPLACE<br>
Hahn, Emma Married 43
F William (H9) Russia <br>
Hahn, Emma Single
11 F William (H9) Nebraska<br>
Hahn, Frida Single 13
F William (H9) Nebraska<br>
Hahn, George Single 22
M William (H9) Nebraska<br>
Hahn, Hazel Single 9m
F William (H9) Nebraska<br>
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I also checked the listings of names of persons who died in the
holocaust.
There were at least three Frida Hahns from various places in Silesia
and Hungary, but they were all born in the 1880s. Let us hope she
was not one of them.<br>
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Bob<br>
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