<div dir="ltr">Let's not forget that /w/ in both Japanese and O'odham surfaces as a bilabial fricative in certain contexts [ΙΈ]. I believe that in both languages the /w/ is produced with tensed rather than rounded lips, and has a much lesser velar component than in English.<br>
<br>I thought y'all were talking about Ponca stops for a minute...now calling them sonorants would explain the four-way stop contrast!<br><br>- BJG<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/9/23 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rwd0002@unt.edu">rwd0002@unt.edu</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks Bob for interesting comments. I would be happy to write a short piece on noun incorporation across Siouan, as indicated in the schedule. I pretty much have all I need for Dakotan and for Crow (thanks to Randy's superb grammar), but if people could send me info about the other languages/subdivisions, that would be helpful.<br>
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I agree that phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants is very interesting theoretically. There are nice parallels in Athabascan. What is reconstructed as Proto-Ath *w comes out as [w], or [m], but in some languages as voiced obstruent [b], functioning as a sonorant.<br>
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Phonetic obstruents as phonological sonorants (b, d, g; m, n, ng; w, r, l).<br>
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