<div dir="ltr">I've run into this ki-edi form before too. A quick scan of Dorsey says no, and if it'd been in your Grandma's lexicon you'd know that, so maybe it was in Catherine's field tapes. Catherine?<br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Yesterday in a conversation with one of
my UNL speakers, Grandma Delores Black recalled hearing her eldest grandmother
counting to ten in the conventional way, then using the kki edi followed
by a second number for the teens.</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">gtheboN kki edi shoNkka => 10 kki
edi 9</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">with the kki edi variously glossed as
'also', 'and' or something similar.</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Grandma Delores recalled her mother
using the current agthiNshoNkka form.</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">I did not specifically ask about 12,
since it has a non-agthiN pattern today</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">shappe noNba</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">six two</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">I will try to elicit this set again
from the other speakers with an eye towards what Grandma Delores described.</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Uthixide</font>
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<br><tt><font size="2">Sounds to me as if they didn't use '19' very often.
After all, we don't either except in dates from the 1900s. They
don't use glebaN agi shaNkka or something similar?<br>
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I did a Siouan Conference paper back in the 80s (or maybe it was the 70s)
on Siouan counting and tried to show that the words correlated with the
signs for the numbers in the Plains Sign Language. This was a partial
quinary system of finger counting beginning with the little finger of the
left hand and ending with the little finger of the right. This explained
why Dakotan for '9' is 'one in the palm'. I don't know how the finger
counting system would work above 10 however. It would be interesting
to find out. I don't recall ever seeing the PSL signs for numerals
in the teens. <br>
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The 'nine' word itself is a bit of a mystery. It's found in both
Siouan and Algonquian as 'shankka' or the like. Ives Goddard thinks
it's Siouan originally but I've speculated that it's Algonquian originally.
Nobody wants to claim the little bastard.<br>
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Bob<br>
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Subject: JOD's terrible 'teens'<br>
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Aloha All,<br>
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I am working through Dorsey's numbers in the teens. <br>
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He has several definitions for the base number that are not always all
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used on a number. For example:<br>
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nineteen<br>
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the other nine<br>
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the extra nine<br>
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again nine<br>
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I was wondering what y'all might make of this.<br>
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Mark<br>
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