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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Include me on the story list!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=saponi360@yahoo.com
href="mailto:saponi360@yahoo.com">Scott Collins</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 26, 2011 12:48 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU
href="mailto:siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU">siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Omaha and Lakota Words</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Me too...<BR><BR>Scott P. Collins<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>--- On <B>Thu, 8/25/11, Mary C Marino <I><<A
href="mailto:mary.marino@usask.ca">mary.marino@usask.ca</A>></I></B>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Mary C Marino <<A
href="mailto:mary.marino@usask.ca">mary.marino@usask.ca</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: Omaha and Lakota Words<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU">siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU</A><BR>Date:
Thursday, August 25, 2011, 11:25 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>I'd like to hear it.<BR><BR>Mary<BR><BR><BR>On
25/08/2011 6:42 AM, Cumberland, Linda A wrote:<BR>> Not for Dhegiha,
but I have a nifty and rather lengthy one for<BR>> Assiniboine, if
you're interested. -Linda<BR>><BR>> Quoting Scott Collins <<A
href="http://us.mc835.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=saponi360@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:saponi360@yahoo.com">saponi360@yahoo.com</A>>:<BR>><BR>>>
In relation to Umon'hon'ti, the Sacred Pole of the Omaha,
Riddinton<BR>>> from 1993 states, "...Umon'hon'ti is a single
person in whom these<BR>>> halves have joined." This statement is
talking about the nature of<BR>>> the Sacred Pole, i.e ceremonial
object, an the coming together of the<BR>>> Above World and the
Middle World into one being/ceremonial object.<BR>>> Are there any
other examples of this dual nature in Omaha
words.<BR>>><BR>>> On another subject, I also wanted to ask
if there are Omaha stories<BR>>> about Morning Star that are
similar in any fashion to the Hochunk<BR>>> stories of Morning
Star and Evening Star. Anyone on the list that may<BR>>> have
information regarding this in Osage, Quawpa, Ponca and
Kansa-Kaw<BR>>>
also?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Scott P.
Collins<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Rory M
Larson <<A
href="http://us.mc835.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rlarson@unlnotes.unl.edu"
ymailto="mailto:rlarson@unlnotes.unl.edu">rlarson@unlnotes.unl.edu</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> From: Rory M Larson <<A
href="http://us.mc835.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rlarson@unlnotes.unl.edu"
ymailto="mailto:rlarson@unlnotes.unl.edu">rlarson@unlnotes.unl.edu</A>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: Omaha and Lakota Words<BR>>> To: <A
href="http://us.mc835.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU"
ymailto="mailto:siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU">siouan@lists.Colorado.EDU</A><BR>>>
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 6:16
PM<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> David
wrote:<BR>>>>
I wonder if wiN and Omaha mi are cognate,
despite<BR>>>> the difference<BR>>>> in meaning.
Lakota 'moon' is wi, without
nasalization.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> David, I'm pretty sure
they are cognate in this case, both with the<BR>>> meaning of
'woman'. We are dealing with two separate roots here,
but<BR>>> in Omaha they are similar enough to be
confused.<BR>>><BR>>>
Lakhota
Omaha<BR>>>
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-----<BR>>><BR>>> sun/moon
wi
mi`(N)<BR>>><BR>>> woman
wiN
mi_(N)<BR>>><BR>>> I've recently established,
tentatively, with one speaker, that there<BR>>> is a pronunciation
difference between the two terms in Omaha. The<BR>>>
'sun/moon' term apparently has an emphatic, falling pitch or
tone,<BR>>> while the 'woman' term is more drawn out and level in
pitch. In<BR>>> terms of the long/short vowel dichotomy
researchers have been looking<BR>>> at in other languages, I have
been supposing that the emphatic,<BR>>> falling pitch is short,
while the more level pitch is long. (There<BR>>> is a third,
rising and falling tone in Omaha which is much less<BR>>> common,
and which is neither of these.) However, this
interpretation<BR>>> clashes with what is recorded in Carolyn
Quintero's Osage Dictionary<BR>>> and in Helmbrecht/Lehmann's
Hocak Teaching Materials, both of which<BR>>> have the vowel for
the 'sun/moon' term as long. Perhaps Omaha has<BR>>>
reinterpreted the original system so that length itself is no
longer<BR>>> a factor.<BR>>><BR>>> In Lakhota, wi and
wiN can easily be distinguished by nasalization or<BR>>> not,
because /w/ is an oral consonant. In Dhegiha, this /w/
has<BR>>> become /m/, which can flavor the following vowel with
its nasality<BR>>> and ruin the
distinction.<BR>>><BR>>> As an added complication, the old
mi_(N) term for 'woman' has dropped<BR>>> out of the vocabulary in
Omaha, and I believe in Dhegiha generally.<BR>>> It has been
replaced by *wak?o, which is wa?u` in Omaha. The
mi_(N)<BR>>> term remains in about a half-dozen compounds, where
it sometimes<BR>>> contrasts with nu`, 'man', which is cognate
with Lakhota blo. But<BR>>> the fact that it doesn't exist
as a separate word means that native<BR>>> speakers may not
recognize that mi_(N) means 'woman'. In the case of<BR>>>
mi_(N)-x^u_ga, some of them apparently rationalized the mi_(N)
as<BR>>> mi`(N), understood as 'moon', and developed the moon
dream conception<BR>>> as an explanation for the existence of the
mi_(N)-x^u_ga.<BR>>><BR>>>
Rory<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BODY></HTML>