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<body style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 15px" id="MailContainerBody" lang="EN-US" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" vlink="purple" link="blue" CanvasTabStop="true" name="Compose message area">Dhegiha oN=uN in Jiwere.<br/><br/>Bob<br/><br/><div>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry</div><hr/><div><b>From: </b> "Jimm G. GoodTracks" <jgoodtracks@GMAIL.COM>
</div><div><b>Sender: </b> Siouan Linguistics <SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu>
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:11:06 -0500</div><div><b>To: </b><SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu></div><div><b>ReplyTo: </b> Siouan Linguistics <SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu>
</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: NAME</div><div><br/></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" size="4">Thanks, Jill for bringing in the phonemic IOM
distinction. I could see a "tun" from Marks suggestions. A
"^shun^shun".... perhaps. </font></div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" size="4">Meanwhile, Thanking you all for the
congratulations! However, while I may have supplied the information
and budget justification summary, the real appreciation and thanks goes to
Saul Schwartz, who took the bits and pieces of the materials I
presented, then he sculpted, and crafted the materials into an award
winning composition applying the word mortar as he built it into a
convincing request, by spicing the whole with those key words & phrases that
the powers need to hear. Thus, all the applause goes to his end of the
room. I'll wait to accept any pats on the back when the whole project
manifests into a published document for easy distribution to all.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" size="4">Aho! Jimm</font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Congrats
again to Jimm. Needless to say, I can’t wait to hear and see the
newly available Jiwere stuff!!! </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Mark -
very interesting Omaha version. Good to remember that much of the meaning
may be something that was inferred from the original creation of the name, and
that was rendered in the English gloss, rather than having a word-for-word kind
of name. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Bob
and all the other historical folks- Remember that there’s no
phonemic nasal O in Jiwere, so how do those Dhegiha phonemes Mark was
pointing out translate into IOM? Would it be an oral O, or a nasal
U? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">And
now, to muddy things up more, let me add that there are a lot of
times where there is a vowel phonetically closer to a nasal schwa to my
ear, but those are usually an underlying A</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">n.
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">But Hamilton
and Irvin did occasionally write a nasal O, if I’m remembering things
correctly. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Someone
better at phonology and historical reconstructions want to jump in
here?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Jill</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Baskerville Old Face','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Dr. Jill D.
Greer </span></p>
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Newman Road</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Siouan Linguistics
[mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Awakuni-Swetland<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 13, 2012 9:42 AM<br><b>To:</b>
SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: NAME</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Aloha
All,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Here
are a few ramblings to offer.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Following
on Bob's suggestion that </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">co-co
=> shoN-shoN</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Consider
the Omaha male command </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">'shoN
shoN ga!'</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
that tells someone to continue whatever s/he is/was doing…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Applying
the same vowel sound and nasal quality to the preceding syllable makes
</span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">-to-
=> ttoN (or) tHoN</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To
possess as a charecteristic as buffalo have horns.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">or</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
standing animate as in uheatHoN => in, linear inanimate, at/on, stand
'bridge, ladder, stairs'</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">or
some other interpretation…?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
the </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">wa- as
'class of' or 'them'</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> or
any of its various interpretations…?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Perhaps
</span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">wa-to-co-co</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
would be rendered in Omaha as </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">wa-tHoN-shoN-shoN</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
suggesting …the class of things that continue to stand… but taking into account
the animate tHoN, it could be refering to </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">the
person</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
standing with the staff (first option), or </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">the
staff itself</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> if
considered animate in the manner that the Omaha Sacred Pole is considered
animate (second option).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Taking
a clue from Jimm's most recent note, he suggested the name may not be specific
to a society staff.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">An
alternate consideration could be that perhaps it is specific to any/all society
staffs but not personal staffs or staffs used to lead the buffalo hunt (Omaha),
or a referent to a particular society in this group, but the name does not
identify it since it has no contextual information.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Perhaps
similar to a 19th century Omaha person mentioning the name </span><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">'wasabe'</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> in
conversation. The discussion had been about the recent meeting of the Bear
Doctoring Society, so the term 'wasabe' (the class of black things, i.e. black
bear) is a referent specifically of a society and not the animal.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mark
Awakuni-Swetland</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Siouan Linguistics
<a href="mailto:[mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu]">[mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rankin, Robert L.<br><b>Sent:</b> August 12, 2012 4:23
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: NAME</span></p></div></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Well,
if it's Dorsey's transcription he wouldn't have gotten the vowels wrong. I
don't recognize the name, but I was wondering of the -coco ending was maybe
-shoN-shoN? I don't know if this expression exists in Jiwere or not
though, although it is found in all the Dhegiha dialects.<br><br>Bob</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Jimm G. GoodTracks
[jgoodtracks@GMAIL.COM]<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:28
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: NAME</span><span style="COLOR: black"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I believe, Bob,
this may be Dorsey's transcription. Weather it is a K ~ Ch ~ Sh sound -
the duplication would be unusual. I would anticipated for "standing" =
jida, nayin, dahe. Possibly, the sound is a "j" and it would be more
logical if instead of a "co" it was a "jeje." There is a verb:
rujijire (walk to and from). Perhaps it is meant to be: jije. Then,
it would have more of the context of Arrive Standing with Something, which is
not specific to a society staff. What do you think? </span><span style="COLOR: black"></span></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a title="mailto:rankin@KU.EDU
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<p style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:48 AM</span></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
NAME</span></p></div></div></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">The
name isn't familiar to me. Do you know how the letter "c" is supposed to
be sounded? Is it a K sound? Or does it represent "ch" or maybe the
"sh" sound it has in the Smithsonian alphabet??<br><br>Bob</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Jimm G. GoodTracks
[jgoodtracks@GMAIL.COM]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 3:17
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
NAME</span><span style="COLOR: black"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">On the 1891
OM census. the name “Wa-to-co-co” meaning something along lines
of “Standing with Staff” or “Standing with Dancing Staff.”
Among those of you who have worked with the names of Hochank, Kaws, Osage,
Ponca/ Omaha, Quapaw, have anyone found a similar name that refers to holding a
staff that represents some society? It is not apparent in the name as
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