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<div>> I can't find a word that means drop or to drop in Tutelo-Saponi but I do find the word for fallen = ohiki and fall down = hiphe. Is it possible that one of these two words may have the drop aspect in their root word?<br>
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Looks like you're right. Here are the 'fall, lose' terms from my comparative Siouan file. If you have questions about the two letter abbreviations for the various languages, let me know.<br>
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Bob<br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">GLOSS[ fall †hį 0.0, hį-pe</span>
<p class="yiv1581811871MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">ProtoDH[ *hí•phe</span>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ hí•phe ‘fall’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">OS[ †híphe “hípshe” ‘stumble and fall, trip’ LF-61b</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">TU[ †hįpé “himpéwa” ‘fall down’ Hw.</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">COM[
There are too few forms here to give us a truly secure reconstruction; however, the forms that do exist suggest a PSI compound |*hi•-phe|.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>QU |hide| ‘drop, cause to fall’ probably contains the initial root of this form.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> ==========================================================</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">GLOSS[ fall †pE x.0 >lie down</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">GRAMCAT[ V</span></p>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">PSI[ *xapÉ</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">PCH[
*xap-</span>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">CR[ xapí ‘lie down, fall’ RG</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">HI[ xápi ‘lie down, recline’ J</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">HI[ xphe, ara- ‘kick sth. off of sth.’ J</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">HI[ xphe, na- ‘knock down from a high place’ (rka) J</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">HI[ xphe, nú- ‘take down’ J</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">HI[ xphe, pá- ‘push off, knock down, knock off’ J</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">PMA[ *-xpe-</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">MA[ wakípxeʔš ‘I fell in’ C</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">PMV[ *xpa-
</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">PDA[ *xpA</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpáya ‘lie down’ C</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpahą́ ‘thrown down’ C</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ oxpA´ ‘drop’ C</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpá, na- ‘be kicked off or out.’ B-815</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpa, oká- ‘make fall into by striking’ B-383</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpáxpa, ka- ‘strike and make pieces fly off, as from wood</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
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</span>or ice’ B-275</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpá, wa- ‘cut off anything and let it fall’ B-519</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpá, wo- ‘make fall by shooting, to shoot down, as a bird</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>on the wing’ B-598</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpá, ya- ‘pull something with the mouth so as to make it</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>come down, as a dog jumping at a piece of beef. to throw anything</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>down with’ B-620</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpá, yu- ‘pull something, so as to make it fall; to loosen</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>the bow string after use; to throw down e.g. one’s load, to shake</span></p>
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font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>off’ B-639</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpa, yuáka- ‘cover, conceal’ B-633</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">LA[ xpa, apá- ‘throw down on’ B-88</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">DA[ xpa “h</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:
"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">̇</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gentium;
mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:black">pa”
‘thrown down’ R-166b</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">CH[ oxwą́ñe ‘fall down’ JOD</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">PDH[ *xpare</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">OP[ †oxpáðe “uxpathe “SW-74</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ oxpáye ‘fall off’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ obáxpaye ‘push off, shove sth. off’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ obúxpaye ‘push somebody off (old fused causative?)’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ ogáxpaye ‘knock somebody off of a horse, perch, etc.’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ oną́xpaye ‘kick something off its platform.’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ obóxpaye ‘shoot down, shoot and cause to fall’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ odáxpaye ‘burn down, cause to fall by burning’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">KS[ oyúxpaye ‘fall from the hand, let, to lose.’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">OS[ †oxpáðe “uxpáthe” ‘fall, become lost’ LF-181b</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ oxpáde ‘fall from a height’ JOD</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ obáxpade ‘push off and cause to fall’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ obíxpade ‘fall, cause by pressure/weight’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ odíxpade ‘pull off and cause to fall’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ okáxpade ‘knock off, cause to fall off’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ oną́xpade ‘kick something down’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">QU[ opóxpade ‘shoot down’ RR</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">BI[ xapká ‘flat, low’ DS-225 (?)</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Gentium;mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Lucida Sans Unicode";color:black">COM[ HI, LA, CH, and DH show forms with a relic, fused causative
which is no longer conjugated as a causative.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>
MA |wą́xpe| ‘nine’ (one laid/hangs down?) may also belong here, although it is a rather peculiar form, being exceptional with regard to the normal MA constraint against clusters with |p| as second element.</span></p>
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