I can add to this that Biloxi seems to have capi 'drop' (e.g., du-capi 'fall by [from] hand') and (h)ide 'fall (of its own accord).' Also taho (~toho) 'lie'/'recline' is used at times, such as in oktaho 'make fall by shooting/shoot down'. Ofo has atonahi, with that familiar -hi.<br>
<br>Dave<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Rankin, Robert L. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rankin@ku.edu" target="_blank">rankin@ku.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>> I can't find a word that means drop or to drop in Tutelo-Saponi but I do find the word for fallen = ohiki and fall down = hiphe. Is it possible that one of these two words may have the drop aspect in their root word?<br>
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Looks like you're right. Here are the 'fall, lose' terms from my comparative Siouan file. If you have questions about the two letter abbreviations for the various languages, let me know.<br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">GLOSS[ fall †hį 0.0, hį-pe</span>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">ProtoDH[ *hí•phe</span>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ hí•phe ‘fall’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">OS[ †híphe “hípshe” ‘stumble and fall, trip’ LF-61b</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">TU[ †hįpé “himpéwa” ‘fall down’ Hw.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">COM[
There are too few forms here to give us a truly secure reconstruction; however, the forms that do exist suggest a PSI compound |*hi•-phe|.<span>
</span>QU |hide| ‘drop, cause to fall’ probably contains the initial root of this form.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">GLOSS[ fall †pE x.0 >lie down</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">GRAMCAT[ V</span></p>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">PSI[ *xapÉ</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">PCH[
*xap-</span>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">CR[ xapí ‘lie down, fall’ RG</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">HI[ xápi ‘lie down, recline’ J</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">HI[ xphe, ara- ‘kick sth. off of sth.’ J</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">HI[ xphe, na- ‘knock down from a high place’ (rka) J</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">HI[ xphe, nú- ‘take down’ J</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">HI[ xphe, pá- ‘push off, knock down, knock off’ J</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">PMA[ *-xpe-</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">MA[ wakípxeʔš ‘I fell in’ C</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">PMV[ *xpa-
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">PDA[ *xpA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpáya ‘lie down’ C</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpahą́ ‘thrown down’ C</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ oxpA´ ‘drop’ C</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpá, na- ‘be kicked off or out.’ B-815</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpa, oká- ‘make fall into by striking’ B-383</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpáxpa, ka- ‘strike and make pieces fly off, as from wood</span></p>
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</span>or ice’ B-275</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpá, wa- ‘cut off anything and let it fall’ B-519</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpá, wo- ‘make fall by shooting, to shoot down, as a bird</span></p>
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</span>on the wing’ B-598</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpá, ya- ‘pull something with the mouth so as to make it</span></p>
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</span>come down, as a dog jumping at a piece of beef. to throw anything</span></p>
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</span>down with’ B-620</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpá, yu- ‘pull something, so as to make it fall; to loosen</span></p>
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</span>the bow string after use; to throw down e.g. one’s load, to shake</span></p>
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</span>off’ B-639</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpa, yuáka- ‘cover, conceal’ B-633</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">LA[ xpa, apá- ‘throw down on’ B-88</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">DA[ xpa “h</span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Gentium">̇</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">pa”
‘thrown down’ R-166b</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">CH[ oxwą́ñe ‘fall down’ JOD</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">PDH[ *xpare</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">OP[ †oxpáðe “uxpathe “SW-74</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ oxpáye ‘fall off’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ obáxpaye ‘push off, shove sth. off’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ obúxpaye ‘push somebody off (old fused causative?)’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ ogáxpaye ‘knock somebody off of a horse, perch, etc.’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ oną́xpaye ‘kick something off its platform.’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ obóxpaye ‘shoot down, shoot and cause to fall’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ odáxpaye ‘burn down, cause to fall by burning’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">KS[ oyúxpaye ‘fall from the hand, let, to lose.’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">OS[ †oxpáðe “uxpáthe” ‘fall, become lost’ LF-181b</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ oxpáde ‘fall from a height’ JOD</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ obáxpade ‘push off and cause to fall’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ obíxpade ‘fall, cause by pressure/weight’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ odíxpade ‘pull off and cause to fall’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ okáxpade ‘knock off, cause to fall off’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ oną́xpade ‘kick something down’ RR</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">QU[ opóxpade ‘shoot down’ RR</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">BI[ xapká ‘flat, low’ DS-225 (?)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Gentium">COM[ HI, LA, CH, and DH show forms with a relic, fused causative
which is no longer conjugated as a causative.<span> </span>
MA |wą́xpe| ‘nine’ (one laid/hangs down?) may also belong here, although it is a rather peculiar form, being exceptional with regard to the normal MA constraint against clusters with |p| as second element.</span></p>
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