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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial">I agree with Willem and Dave that we can’t just translate the English word-for-word into Tutelo-Saponi.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>The Siouan way of saying ‘I love the smell of sweetgrass’ would not contain an equivalent for “of”, in fact I’m not at all sure that there is ever much of an equivalent of that preposition in Siouan.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>I think the way it would be expressed in a Siouan language would be something close to ‘Sweetgrass-smell to.me-it.is.good’.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>And actually, the words translated ‘love’ in the literature are a compound of yaⁿt-‘heart’, o- ‘in it’, and steke ‘good’.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial">I’ve never heard of William Meuse, but from his spellings, it looks as though he just copied the Dorsey file from the Smithsonian letter for letter.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>It’s better to use Oliverio, since she standardized the spellings, included all earlier research and includes context with examples.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial">I don’t know the range of sweetgrass for certain, but I doubt the Tutelos had it in any quantity and I don’t think it grows that far south.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>The term for sweetgrass in Dakota-Lakota matches the word for ‘onion’ in Kansa and Osage.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>I don’t know which meaning was the original one, though onions are more widespread.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial">The Tutelo word ‘oto:’ just means ‘to be blue or green’.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>In that sense it probably wouldn’t be used for ‘grass' by itself..<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>So I don’t know what to do about trying to translate ‘sweetgrass’.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">I don't think that i- equates to 'the' in any sense, so I'm not sure where that usage is coming from. In the Sapir transcriptions of Tutelo it appears that -ki after the noun
is used for 'the', and since that matches the definite article in Dakotan, I suspect that's as close as we can get in Tutelo.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial">Bob</span></p>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF465494"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of Scott Collins [saponi360@YAHOO.COM]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 10:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Conjugation Of A Sentence in Tutelo-Saponi<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Verb at end of sentence</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Adjectives follow nouns</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Adverbs and Direct Objects before the Verb</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">I love the smell of sweetgrass.</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">I = mi (subject/noun)</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Love = yato-ste:kE (verb)</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">The = i- (definite article)</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Smell = pi (you can add an infatic such as –se after the word) (adjective)</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Of = qekego (preposition)</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Sweetgrass = chiko:yo oto: (object/noun)</font></span></p>
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My final conjugation:</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="color:#333333" lang="EN"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">I- pi qekego
<span style=""> </span>chiko:yo oto: <span style=""> </span>mi yato-ste:kE. ( I love the smell of sweetgrass.)
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<div>Is this all correct?</div>
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