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</span></span></span><![endif]>It seems that "pi" is used to mean smell and good both. Kind of confusing. Also what is desiderative? Some of these linguistic terms I don't know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Desiderative would imply that the thing is desired. I’m also very interested in this particle, and in how it is used. I assume the
basic idea is that when you put “pi” after a verb, it means that someone wants the verb to be done, though not necessarily something they want to do themself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In Biloxi, there is a particle “hi” that is used in several different ways, including ones that might be considered desiderative.
I think Dave describes it as a sort of “weak” future, used for future events that aren’t set in stone. It might be used where someone intends to do something, or is thinking about doing something. It is also used for whatever someone is telling someone else
to do. In some cases, it might be translated as “should” or “ought”. Some examples of its uses:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The Rabbit and the brier patch (Dorsey texts, 1:17):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Asóⁿ ayíⁿsihí-xti kó, asóⁿ íⁿnoⁿdá hi na.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Briers you=fear-greatly since, briers I=throw=you INTENTION MALE_EMPHATIC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Considering that you greatly fear the briers, I think I'll throw you into the briers, yeah!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Telling someone to do something (8:19):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Úa hí ki-é-di koⁿní-yaⁿ-kaⁿ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cook=it should to=her-said-he mother-that=one-then.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">He told his mother to cook it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Indirect command (29:4):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Aⁿxtí naⁿké-di yákida hí, é-dí ná. Iyáⁿsi-xtí,
é-dí ná.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Woman sitting=over=there you=go=home should, says-she EMPH. You=smell-greatly, says-she EMPH.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That woman sitting over yonder says you should go home. She says you stink!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Subjunctive or unfocussed command, as in “Let it be so!” (8:9):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kiówo utohó hí.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another lie=down=in=it let.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let another lie down in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">,</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> ought</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">,</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
supposed to (8:22):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ⁿdúx-ni hí yuhí.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I=eat=it-not ought she=thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am not to eat it, she thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m wondering if this sort of functionality is what Oliverio has in mind when she describes Tutelo “pi” as “desiderative”. I’d really
like to see some Tutelo text, with examples of desiderative “pi” in context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Collins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Conjugation Of A Sentence in Tutelo-Saponi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also another question regarding "pi".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"pi: good"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[1]">
"stative V"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[3]">
piwa 'good' ---pg. 268, Oliverio<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"-pi desiderative mode"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[9]">
"V suffix"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[11]">
"bi 'desiderative form' (H1878b); bi, be 'desiderative form' (H1883a)"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[13]">
"Ofo: -be 'future' "<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[15]">
"maybe from pi: 'good' ; Hale: 'inserted before the negative suffix na' "<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[17]">
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"pi:kha good, fine"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[21]">
"V"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[23]">
"ipikin 'handsome' (H1879)" <br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[25]">
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"pi smell"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[29]">
"V"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[31]">
"la-ka-pin, la-ka-pinin (Hw)"<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[33]">
"see lakapi 'emit an odor' ; see also uwalahaha:<br id=".reactRoot[21].[1][4][1]{comment500417800017842_522049581187997}.0.[1].0.[1].0.[0].[0][2].0.[35]">
'smell', wihoxkupsua: 'fishy smell' " ---pg. 269, Oliverio<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems that "pi" is used to mean smell and good both. Kind of confusing. Also what is desiderative? Some of these linguistic terms I don't know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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