<html><head><base href="x-msg://785/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I know it's not all that important, but in the oldest Miami-Illinois records, "eight" is <i>para·re</i>. By the late 1700s, it's <i>pala·ni </i>in all dialects.<br><div><div><br></div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div ocsi="0" fpstyle="1" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14pt; ">I need to add a little to my earlier comments on 'seven' and 'eight'. Chiwere only shows the partial quinary traces in 'eight', not 'seven'. And they seem to have borrowed it from Omaha. Below is the comparative dictionary entry for 'eight', and it shows the Omaha influence.<font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><br><br></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">GLOSS[ eight</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">CH[ gre•rá•brį RR</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">Proto-Dhegiha[ *hpe•-rá•wrį</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">OM[ ppeðábðį C</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">PN[ ppe•ðábðį RR</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">KS[ ppe•yá•blį</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">OS[ hpe•ðá•brį<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">QU[ ppedá•bnį</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">ProtoSE[ *pa-ra•nį</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">OF[ pá</span><b><span style="color: black; ">̣</span></b><span style="color: black; ">ta</span><b><span style="color: black; ">̣</span></b><span style="color: black; ">nĭ DS-328b</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">OF[ pA´tAnî Swanton 1909-485</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">TU[ pālán (N); palāni, palāli, palāniq H</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">TU[ pǎlan´ Hw</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">TU[ pelą̈ʹk‘ Sapir</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">TU[ balai´n Fracht</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">TU[ bil<sup>a</sup>æ:kh, bilæ̨:kh Mithun</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">OTHLGS[ Miami: palani (with variant forms recorded.)</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">COM[ The CH pattern is almost certainly borrowed from DH, as the basis for</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">this numeral is ‘three’, which, in CH, has undergone normal development to</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">{dá•ñį}, not {*ra•brį}. This term is probably not PSI in origin as it</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">occurs in the proper phonological form (*hpV + ‘three’) only in OVS and DH.</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">Its presence in Illinois Algonquian (Rankin, 1985) shows that it spread from</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; ">an OVS dialect. No actual PSI term for ‘eight’ is currently reconstructible.</span></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"></font><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "><font size="4">Treatment of 'seven' follows in a separate message.</font></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "><font size="4"><font size="4">Bob</font></font><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="color: black; "><br></span></font></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></body></html>